"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Invisigoth]

Did some pre-qualifying laps. Almost matched my R92 qualifying time with the LM55, and did match it as optimum, so I'm pretty ok with going with that for tonight. Did pre-qual with a few other cars and I'll be finishing the weeks racing tomorrow night with the Dodge. I know I'm gonna get caned down Mulsanne but I should be able to hold my own when I have to turn the wheel.

Edit: I tried to enter the race but forgot to re-start first. This time a differnt glitch. I saw the second grid line up, but my name wasn't there. Then it went to a "Final" screen you get just before grid line-up pan shot, and froze. I don't kow yet what damage to my SR/DR this has caused. The usual glitch costs nothing, but this was different .

 

[watto79]

I did it. I finally did it. I got a clean race bonus at race B! And we're not talking a lights to flag victory or anything, this was starting 6th and finishing 3rd.

I've never struggled with my SR so much before but the Tokyo tracks are so unforgiving. My first attempt at what I wanted if nothing else to be a clean race, I started the last lap with 15 seconds of penalties! 3 very minor clipping of the wall in the wrong place that I benefited in no way from and I'm up to 15 seconds. Funnily enough my already low SR put me in a lobby that not only was I able to scrub it off before the finish line without losing a position, I actually gained a position from someone ahead with an even bigger penalty!

I do enjoy the Tokyo circuits but there is no room for error. I guess that's part and parcel of street circuits though!

Despite my struggles I'm pleased to have maintained my DR A so far. Hoping that next weeks races give me an option where I know I can be more competitive.

 

[nickf1gr]

It's a bad joke that PD didn't seperate LMP cars from Group C. The second are much faster and those VGT Gr.1 are so unreal... So please PD in next update seperate them for the reality of top class races....

 

[Sven Jurgens]

It's a bad joke that PD didn't seperate LMP cars from Group C. The second are much faster and those VGT Gr.1 are so unreal... So please PD in next update seperate them for the reality of top class races....

It invites swerve blocking on the straight by the VGT cars, then they bump you at corner exit or punt you off in Mulsanne, Indianapolis, the Porsche curves or Ford chicanes. PD sure knows how to up the challenge, mixed matched cars, SR.S to SR.D in the same room. It does feel good to climb up to the podium penalty free, but come on, swerve blocking and pushing into the wall on the Sarthe straight, so unnecessary.

Penalty scrubbing is a joke as well. Last race one car was continually cheating Tetre Rouge to get out of draft range, taking 1.8 sec penalty each time, which he could easily lose by accelerating slightly slower after Arnage and before the Porsche curves. I passed him through Dunlop after 2 laps which he did not expect and his cheating didn't help to catch my draft. Losing a penalty and block needs to be taken care of.

 

[Invisigoth]

Managed to catch the next race and started P6..... out of 8 . There was a mix of DR and SR.

Race starts mid chicane, and off I go. My brakes failed at the end of Mulsanne. I braked at my usual place and nothing happened! Into the sand and the wall I go to be re-spawned 8s behind the guy in front. Some people pitted and I closed the gap, but that quickly opened again.On the final lap I caught up because of a R92 spin. He was sideways blocking the track and ghosted... but i heard a thud as I t-boned him . He didn't stick around long enough for me to apologise. The winner was a guy I have seen in numerous races ... usually in the position directly in front of me .

in the end I finished P5. When I checked kudos before the race, my previous glitch hadn't cost me any DR, but I had lost 5 SR. After the race I had my 99 SR back and lost 5 DR. I'd have preferred to have gained some points, but loosing only 5 under the circumstances, I can't realy complain too much . Day 1 comes to an end on my DR/C pilgrimage.

Tomorrow the Tomahawk. I realised I got my days wrong and thought it was Saturday/Sunday, not Friday/Saturday . Sunday I haven't a thing to wear!

 

[O604]

Tried B again this morning. I always try to look for positives but it's getting worse.

Rooms were very good until this week. Lots of skill and control. Lots of sportsmanship. It's like an entirely new group of drivers this week. Feels like others are playing Ridge Racer not Gran Turismo. Weirdly, I'm not losing any DR/SR points like the past few weeks but driving of others makes it impossible to enjoy or race clean.

 

[Trone_Colby]

Tried B again this morning. I always try to look for positives but it's getting worse.

Rooms were very good until this week. Lots of skill and control. Lots of sportsmanship. It's like an entirely new group of drivers this week. Feels like others are playing Ridge Racer not Gran Turismo. Weirdly, I'm not losing any DR/SR points like the past few weeks but driving of others makes it impossible to enjoy or race clean.

Same.

Had 3 races last night in Race B. The first race was actually clean for me. The last 2 people kept dive bombing me and side bump me to keep me from passing. I’m glad to get to DR.B Unfortunately I can’t get back to SR.S. I’m at SR.B thanks to the idiots.

 

[sturk0167]

This looks like a really bad idea, doesn't it?

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• sturk0167
• Jan 4, 2019

Yeah. Definitely!

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• sturk0167
• Jan 4, 2019

I went flying and hit that wall in a spot where it probably doesn't get hit very often. I actually ended up winning that race, and I only mention it because I want to make the point that even when you screw up badly, and you think you're out of it, don't underestimate the other guys ability to screw up, too.

PS: Sorry if the first pic gives anyone nightmares.

 

[RZQSPEED]

Some races for this day. 1 Race C and several Race Bs.

Race C, 05:00 Room
Car Used: Nissan R92CP '92
Strategy: 3H&M/2S

Starting without qualy time and practice, I found myself starting 12th out of the 15 drivers. Sadly, my attempt of no-stopping doesn't work, so that I was forced to pit due to worn Medium rear tyres and swap over to Softs, then on the final lap with just the final chicanes to go, I ran out of time and finished 10th...

Race B, 05:30 Room
Car Used: Lamborghini Huracán GT3 '15

Usual pole position start and a lights to victory race. Now I know how to drive this thing under race conditions as I simply danced through the concrete jungle. Fastest lap is a 1:32.746 with a total race time of 7:51.4

Race B, 06:10 Room
Car Used: McLaren 650S GT3 '15

Pole-to-win again, but this time I was able to break the 7:50 barrier as I set a 7:49 race time with the fastest lap of a 1:32.675.

Race B, 06:30 Room
Car Used: Toyota FT-1 VGT Gr.3

Sadly, some Rossi fan with their username referencing a bike stole my pole again, but at least I got the fastest lap, which is a 1:32.115!

Race B, 06:50 Room
Car Used: Ford Mustang Gr.3

That Huracán appeared again, and the Mustang is just understeer fest as I couldn't get this bloody thing to swing through the flowy section, to the point that on the final lap I've decided to just barrel through the chicane and smack the wall, but still finished 2nd with 3 seconds worth of penalties left unserved.

Race B, 07:10 Room
Car Used: Chevrolet Corvette C7 Gr.3

Pushing myself into another race, I've decided to see what happens if I enter 4 races... And I'm in! The race itself was a bit more intense as I ended up outbraking myself almost rear ending that Huracán, which allowed an SLS to enter the fight against myself, until he ended up receiving a penalty for smacking himself into the wall on Lap 2 exiting out of the chicane, but the battle reignited again on the final lap, but in the end I finished 2nd, ahead of that SLS. That Huracán sets an absurd fastest lap of a 1:31.5! I was like, does his DR got reset at some point?

EDIT: Here we go, this is his DR chart!

 

[RACECAR]

Some races for this day. 1 Race C and several Race Bs.

Race C, 05:00 Room
Car Used: Nissan R92CP '92
Strategy: 3H&M/2S

Starting without qualy time and practice, I found myself starting 12th out of the 15 drivers. Sadly, my attempt of no-stopping doesn't work, so that I was forced to pit due to worn Medium rear tyres and swap over to Softs, then on the final lap with just the final chicanes to go, I ran out of time and finished 10th...

The few times I've done Race C with GR.1, I've always stuck with the LMP1 Hybrids. They don't have the speed, but they are way better on fuel. I even managed to pull off a no-stop strategy (along with two other guys) with no coasting at all (Effectively Running qualifying laps the whole way) and nobody else could get us. Not even the old diesel LMP cars could keep up without pitting.

 

[RZQSPEED]

The few times I've done Race C with GR.1, I've always stuck with the LMP1 Hybrids. They don't have the speed, but they are way better on fuel. I even managed to pull off a no-stop strategy (along with two other guys) with no coasting at all (Effectively Running qualifying laps the whole way) and nobody else could get us. Not even the old diesel LMP cars could keep up without pitting.

Hmm, but then it's the No Chicane version that we're talking about, plus the 3X fuel that doesn't require refuel. Or that LMP1-HY cars are versatile is probably what you meant?

 

[ShiftingGears]

Blue Moon Bay is a haven for wall riders. Getting rammed into the wall also gets you a penalty, really great stuff.

 

[Groundfish]

Alright folks, jumped on in at 5 to see the expected sharks circling the tank looking for a bite of some salmon....I started 14 2 behind Sir ‘juice’ Sven who made a fantastic run to 3rd by the finish. Nice job man.
Tonight I didn’t warm up much and as a result was much more focused on patience. My times were slow and I did get one mistake bump pushing me off. My fault I overshot slightly...I should have let him by and then battled on.
Lesson learned.
I have a lot of fun running this and I did better tonight on tire management. I was slow yes, but ultra conservative. Tcs 0 is very educational on this one...I did better than yesterday when I was just all over way too much steering angle wasting the tires and driving like crap. In the end I came out on top of a couple nice clean battles and went 14-9th. Good stuff.
I have run a .05 on time trial with yards, but I am just not comfortable yet here mixing things up.
My thought is a fast way is a one stop, with soft to finish, but I dunno. I’m not experienced enough yet to put in a time on a race this length. Better to chill and stay in the back on this one.
I won the Mcclaren gr1 on the daily! Time for a beverage or two and dinner...

Stay thirsty my friends

 

[RACECAR]

Hmm, but then it's the No Chicane version that we're talking about, plus the 3X fuel that doesn't require refuel. Or that LMP1-HY cars are versatile is probably what you meant?

Overall, the LMP1-HY cars seemed like they were better on tires and fuel over a race distance. Better then the VGTs, better the Group Cs and better then the Diesels. Even on the final lap, the tires were worn but still had enough in them to push.

Didn't know they were using the "no chicane" version this time though so that actually seems like something worth experimenting with, though I suspect the 5 gears on the Group Cs and the lack of tuning might be abit hindering.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Great racing with you all, @Winnie847 , @sturk0167, @Groundfish, @NosOsH and who ever I forgot Overall Sarthe has been pretty clean apart from a few badly matched races. Fun racing! One more!

I tried to figure out the track limits at Tetre Rouge in a couple races. It's simply inconsistent and makes no sense.

Left I keep in touch with the blue, slower exit speed, 0.76 sec penalty.
Right, I cut the inside, touch the yellow, faster exit speed, no penalty.

I'll stick to keeping in touch with the kerbs at the exit, I don't like red dots. Shortcut penalties just seems random.

Meanwhile I'm back up to 38.4k after a low of 15K from racing without quali on the daily B. Race length makes all the difference. Next one is up, some competition for @Winnie847, good luck!

 

[Pigems]

It’s been a good night of racing so far, I’ve got my SR up to A(68) as of right now after 5 runs of Race C from the back, 2 7th’s an 11th and a 13th. Lots of clean guys out tonight, it’s a nice change.

Oh and this happened lol.

 

[blausven]

To see how bad and silly the balancing of Gr. 1 is, just take the Daily Race C - everyone takes the R92CP
This is great racing....

And I never get the point why you are not allowed to change simple things like gear ratio/last gear.

 

[Pigems]

Well I got in 8 races in tonight, all on C with the R92, all no stop on mediums, the last 2 were my best two runs. It was a good clean night of racing for the most part, there was a couple of bumps but nothing major really and the best part is I got my SR back up to 90.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

It’s been a good night of racing so far, I’ve got my SR up to A(68) as of right now after 5 runs of Race C from the back, 2 7th’s an 11th and a 13th. Lots of clean guys out tonight, it’s a nice change.

Oh and this happened lol.

Nothing wrong with initiative!

 

[RACECAR]

Well I got in 8 races in tonight, all on C with the R92, all no stop on mediums, the last 2 were my best two runs. It was a good clean night of racing for the most part, there was a couple of bumps but nothing major really and the best part is I got my SR back up to 90.

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With notes like that, can I have you on my pitbox?

 

[Doglove]

Update on next week races, anyone? After no racing this week because of the combo's, it's beginning to get tough to still wait 'till monday! Grtz

 

[Invisigoth]

And I never get the point why you are not allowed to change simple things like gear ratio/last gear.

Last time they did no chicane they did. At first the Group C cars were dominant till the other guys got the hybrids dialled in. I guess this wanted to justify the Group C cars existence. Usually with the Gr1 races the Group C cars arn't competitive.

 

[blausven]

Last time they did no chicane they did. At first the Group C cars were dominant till the other guys got the hybrids dialled in. I guess this wanted to justify the Group C cars existence. Usually with the Gr1 races the Group C cars arn't competitive.

Yes, but yet with no possibility to simple setups, you arent competetive with a Sauber C9 or a XJR-9 as both wont reach the top speed of the R92CP.
Needless to say that none of those car ever drove with this maximum power under race conditions like they do in GT Sport. The C9, for example, used only around 720HP.

 

[sundaydriving]

The vision mazda LM55 thingy isn't so bad in race c. Its not quite as fast as the nissan but its easier on its tyres and flys through the porsche curves.

 

[SUPRASTAR0003]

I suggest everyone who does FIA, DO NOT do Manufacturers race around Blue Moon speedway because I got disqualified for number of collisions on final lap when my ‘teammate’ was helping me with boosts by tapping me from behind and slipstreaming while in first place during the whole race giving me an advantage. Can’t recall how many taps he/she gave me, probably 30 and each tap from behind resulted in a SR drop. Before final lap, I get a warning that I’ll be disqualified cos of number of collisions which they weren’t even collision. Final corner another driver gives me a tap from the side and I’m kicked out before finish line. After being disqualified, my dr and sr took a massive plunge from a+:s to d:e. My teammate didn’t know I would be disqualified after the help even though he’s actions weren’t intentional. You’ve been warned

 

[ShiftingGears]

I may have gone from sportsmanship S to sportsmanship E in the span of seven races at blue moon bay this morning.

Retribution is worth it

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Yes, but yet with no possibility to simple setups, you arent competetive with a Sauber C9 or a XJR-9 as both wont reach the top speed of the R92CP.
Needless to say that none of those car ever drove with this maximum power under race conditions like they do in GT Sport. The C9, for example, used only around 720HP.

The top speed of the R92CP is neutered as well by the rev limiter. The only way to overtake another R92CP is to brake the draft at 378kph, then crawl by with a 1kph difference. It does give other cars a good boost to hang on to a R92CP on the straight, leeching their top speed, then pass them in the Porsche curves. Then get passed on the straight again and repeat.

A fast driver in the R92CP will usually win, yet fast drivers can also win in the Mazda. So we've got fantasy power vs fantasy car

The R92CP runs at 826 HP in GTS, 900 kg. what I can find is that it used to be faster:

The revised VRH35 engine produced more than 888 HP (876 BHP), with the Le Mans qualifying special generating 1200. The race car reached a maximum seed of 249 mph (401 kph) plus on the main straight at the Fuji Speedway. It generated more than 3.5 tons of downforce.

The Group C car up to 400 kph (249 mph) was performed by a 3.5 L DOHC IHI Twin Turbocharged V8, 888 HP at 7.600 RPM, 784 Nm (80 kgm) at 5.600 RPM, it transmission is a VGC (5-speed), It is equipped with Double wishbone (front & rear) and 14in. carbon brakes.

The weight/power ratio is 1 kg/hp, the equivalent of a 2005 AC Cobra Weineck 780cui (1100 hp), a 2009 SSC Ultimate Aero TT (1287 hp), or of course the Koenigsegg One:1 (1360 hp).

So the R92CP is actually too slow in game and too heavy.


Up early, 6AM race, down to D/E, 14 entries. Fast guys on top. still 2 unqualified drivers behind me. Starting 20th isn't going to happen this week.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

First time I lost Race A today. Ironically it's also the only race I started on pole Just shows you quali doesn't really matter in this race as long as you can keep clean and hang with the top pack.

Didn't do Race B, but tested all the Gr.1 cars in Race C (after being badly beaten using the Sauber C9). The gearing is a complete joke in all these cars except the R92CP. As reference the R92CP tops out at 378 kph. All the other Group C cars sit around 350-360 kph, most VGTs around 350 kph (except Alpine at 360 kph), then bringing up the rear are the LMP1s with 340-350 kph. LMPs I can understand they won't be competitive because they run out of battery juice at top speed, but the rest of Group C and VGTs have either too long final gears, or they sit at the wrong RPM for their optimum power, or they just bounce off the limiter (LM55 I'm looking at you). Classic PD incompetence. It wouldn't have mattered so much in other tracks where non-Group C can claw back the deficit in the corners, but at La Sarthe it means choosing anything other than the R92CP is shooting yourself in the foot. Did all these tests in one hour BTW, something PD could easily have done and make the appropriate changes. As it stands, they might as well make this a one make series.

If you have a weak grid the only other cars that have fighting chance are LM55 and XJR9 (maybe the Alpine if all stars align). Otherwise don't bother.

 

[Doglove]

Next week races??? They didn't show up yet on Kudos!

...Maybe they 'l be monthly now... because PD is 'The Best' !!! Another week -have to stay in the subject- another month of them! Woehoe, everybody happy now!!!

 

[Invisigoth]

Another day on Cirque du Soleil . I started P9/13 with my META qualy time... shame I was actually using the Tomahawk, I was expecting that position to drop down Mulsanne. The grid was a mix of DR and SR, so this whole Oceania thing really isn't working. Whilst there was a sea of R92s, there were a few brave souls driving other cars. The guy in 4th broke up the top 6 chain with a 919. So we had 3 x R92s, then the 919, another 2x R92s, then a 787B, another couple of R92s, then me . It was sad seeing all those clones with out even bothering to dress them up .

Race starts and dumps me mid chicane as per usual. I had to try not to hit the slower R92s trying to negotiate the chicane and the subsequent corners to Mulsanne, then they took off... giving me a nice tow. I managed to finally do a race where I didn't plough into the sand at Mulsanne corner on the first lap . The Tomahawk was good on tyres and fuel. I didn't notice the tyre wear on the final lap, it seemed like the first lap. I managed to pass the 919 by pure drag race, and get past a couple of other crash victims. I had caught up to the guy who won last night, but as soon as we hit the strait he took off. By the Porsche Curves he was 10s ahead and I had a 30s gap behind me. P6 for me . I almost went penalty free but they do seem to have tightened the track limits a hair compared to the beginning of the week. Took too much of a bite out of Tertre Rouge.

At the end of the race the two guys in P1 and P2 were swearing at each other and generally being abusive. I couldn't tell if something happened on the track, or if they were mates and just being Australian .

SR still 99, DR went up 300. Day 2 of my journey in DR/C .