"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

One guy finished it with a Red B, and it was a 99/S room.

I'm pretty sure I've done that a couple times.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Sorry, mate. I don't buy your explanation. T3 is not a hard corner to negotiate, especially not in an SF-19 - and if you have traffic in front of you you only need to feather the throttle a little - no need to apply 50% brakes.

And why are you lecturing me on race C when you - as you admitted - haven't even tried it yourself? I did about 10 races from the back on my American account, and while I did see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes, I didn't encounter the much-talked-about "dirty-drivers" - to me it seemed like people just tried to race.

There is a big difference between being malicious and being unskilled.

You're right when you say that I'm complaining about complaining - I just don't get why somebody plays a game that they feel is so bad and broken that they have to whine and moan condescendingly about it on-line several times a day.

You know, if it bothers you that much, you can just put me on ignore. I love the game, hence I'm over 7000 races in. I criticize the short comings of the penalty system because I want it to get better. I share my experiences with the game, because I love the game. If you don't want to read them, put me on ignore.

I'm having fun with a new challenge, to see how far I can take this clean streak.

Risk free over takes only, concede when the car behind gets too close. Can't trust that penalty system.

 

[Pigems]

Wow, 23 CR’s in a row. That’s one impressive streak you’ve got going there Mr. Jurgens!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Wow, 23 CR’s in a row. That’s one impressive streak you’ve got going there Mr. Jurgens!

A bit less impressive when you see my DR plummeting That was an exceptionally good race. Most races I have to hang back to avoid unsteady drivers and/or let the car I passed go by again when held up by the cars in front. Any contact can end it just like that. Driving in sudden death mode It's not really racing yet I've run out of all other kinds of numbers to increase by now.

When are you venturing onto race B? A, C, there's one in between

 

[Dogwolf77]

Set up my new T3PA pedals. Not bad for $120. Major difference; more range of movement, better controlled braking, all metal, no shifting around on the floor. Pretty heavy duty.
The downside is I have to commit the new feel to memory. This will take a while. The pedals I had were the crummy ones that came with the T150 wheel.

Anyone have a preference to either the F1 set up or the inverted set up?

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Something feels off about the Porsche in Daily Race B for me. It feels entirely too easy to drive with the exclusion of the oversteer on corner exit. Braking is so good it feels like an F1 car.

EDIT: I'll take back some of what I said after pushing the car more. Feels like we are driving the worlds hardest racing slick while the tires temperatures are cold. The lack of grip is astounding.

 

[Groundfish]

Sport mode dailies are back!
Or...Maybe they never left...Insert CLEAN above....I decided to go in against the horde for a couple b race sprints. I began seventh in the first attempt and collected a five second slap. My bad, he unghosted right in front of me on back straight and I got passed and in the ensuing scramble to the hairpin I couldn’t stop in time. My bad sir if that was you. I was in a baby blue vette.
Except for my misstep the racing was clean as heck! Good stuff!
I ran the second attempt starting second, never put a good challenge on the leader-stayed with him fine, but couldn’t get in striking distance to apply pressure.
Track feels grippy! Jump in! Seems like the aliens are all in fia now. Track is a lot like Nurb gp.
Good stuff. These races tonight were absolutely what I love about the game. The five second I incurred in the first race lost me like four spots and put me to 88. I like that! I deserved it. Lol I think he got another pen since he caused contact during unghosting-he was on the racing line...I ended up back to seventh in that race where I began. Anyhow at 92 after 2 races and one podium!
Time for a Makers!

Stay thirsty, my friends.

 

[sturk0167]

When are you venturing onto race B?

I'll do it with my alter ego, but I'm at B. My clean streak is about 23 short of yours.

 

[NAXEHT]

You know, if it bothers you that much, you can just put me on ignore. I love the game, hence I'm over 7000 races in. I criticize the short comings of the penalty system because I want it to get better. I share my experiences with the game, because I love the game. If you don't want to read them, put me on ignore.

I'm having fun with a new challenge, to see how far I can take this clean streak.

Risk free over takes only, concede when the car behind gets too close. Can't trust that penalty system.

Good job, man. Keep going.

 

[TTM]

Race b is the only interesting race.
Won due to unfortunate circumstances let’s say while I was in the Beetle.
How much I’ve driven that car, it deserves a win

 

[ntanygd760]

Just finished the C race in 19:46 which is a really good time for me.

 

[CrimsonKing]

Race A turned out to be surprisingly good, good close racing and a nice flow on this little track. Also I really like grid starts.
However, our old friend the penalty system has to ruin everything, just one slightest touch and you're awarded with a red rating. No close racing allowed!

 

[Hogga_Dogga]

Race A tonight I started 2nd, finished 1st and lost 1300 points. The race before started 6th and finished 4th and lost 1000 points. Something seems wrong here.

 

[QC YALUM]

Sorry, mate. I don't buy your explanation. T3 is not a hard corner to negotiate, especially not in an SF-19 - and if you have traffic in front of you you only need to feather the throttle a little - no need to apply 50% brakes.

And why are you lecturing me on race C when you - as you admitted - haven't even tried it yourself? I did about 10 races from the back on my American account, and while I did see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes, I didn't encounter the much-talked-about "dirty-drivers" - to me it seemed like people just tried to race.

There is a big difference between being malicious and being unskilled.

You're right when you say that I'm complaining about complaining - I just don't get why somebody plays a game that they feel is so bad and broken that they have to whine and moan condescendingly about it on-line several times a day.

playing on a other server than the one u are supposed to is a big part of lagging problem and if they give u the host everyone lag in the session ? Like a player fromEurope and come on are server to teleport on track ruining everyone races :/

 

[kemmac]

You perform a brake-check (as clearly seen in your GIF) - and then you have the gall to go on-line and complain about getting rear-ended? Or did you really, after - what is it - 5000 races, believe you're supposed to brake before T3?

BTW, your never-ending complaints about "dirty drivers" made me make an account in the Americas (I'm an EMEA guy normally) to see for myself what it's like - and I must disappoint you that I haven't come across any of the filth you always keep whining and moaning about. But what I did come across was you. At Suzuka. I don't know if you were trolling or what was going on, but you didn't look like a particularly skilled player - maybe that's a part of your problem?

I get it that you're a doom and gloom kinda guy, but I really think you are doing the GTS community a disservice by the ceaseless, unwarranted complaints - I've had, and still have, incredibly good fun playing GTS on-line (something I didn't think was possible: fun and on-line multiplayer), and it is my hope that you don't chase prospecting players away with your negativity - if GTS was like you say it is I wouldn't play it!

Everybody cried and moan even you too! Judgement called is unwarranted. Best keep the lid shut and play the best we able to achieve.

 

[AK84LFC]

I’m not sure what happened but since the last update I’m 3 seconds off the pace. Running near last around Catalunya (DR B).

Very depressing.

 

[sdi_03]

I’m not sure what happened but since the last update I’m 3 seconds off the pace. Running near last around Catalunya (DR B).

Very depressing.

I had this same problem last week. Grip was not as good as normally. It started from DT seaside II gr4 race, where it felt like driving on ice.
This week seems to be back to normal for me. No idea what could cause this.

I have read that the NAT setting in router have some effects to gaming online. My nat is NAT3 atm, so will try to put my router to NAT2 today.
Not sure thou that it would make any difference, because I have had good and bad grip weeks with NAT3

 

[drummingcat]

Has your wheel been hooked up all this time and/or your PS4 in rest mode? Try restarting console and unplugging the wheel.

I unplug my wheel every night, maybe its just old age!!

 

[gthelmi2398]

Race B has one big problem. I f you start in front from position 1 to 4, maybe 5 or 6 is also fine, you are on the straight while the countdown.
On the position behind you will start in the last bend or in the chicane while other drivers accelerate. In the beginning a big gap to the next best driver.

 

[Stencedaddy]

Race B has one big problem. I f you start in front from position 1 to 4, maybe 5 or 6 is also fine, you are on the straight while the countdown.
On the position behind you will start in the last bend or in the chicane while other drivers accelerate. In the beginning a big gap to the next best driver.

Ive noticed this as well. I think i was starting 4th or 5th and the pack was a good 50+ meters behind me coming out of that corner. Sucks because the pack is divided before it even gets going. Makes the racing less exciting from the get go since half the pack is like its own race basically.

 

[6BK]

I haven't raced since the updates, ran a few quali laps on Race B last night. I am not sure if its the fact that I have been away from it for a good 10 days or the updates, but it feels fundamentally different on my G29.

I ran about 7 laps in the Beetle and I literally do no feel connected to the track, it felt like I was surviving a lap, rather than driving it! Anyone else noticed anything??

Using a G29, unplugged whenever not in use. I've been absent for a short while too. In fact, planning on keeping my game time much reduced simply because the late nights were catching up on me. Last night I played for the first time in two weeks. Did daily A and got a quali at just over 1.30.3 which is about right for me (3 to 3.5% of top region time is my usual). Qualification felt OK. Did only two races. On both races I thought the handling was all over the place. Could not figure why the car felt so totally different in race than in quali. Braking and traction were set up the same, had not been off in the grass, but the car was vague and sloppy. At one point, going up the hill after T1 and getting ready for the first hard left, I felt there was no connection between the steering inputs and the car. I put it down to what seems to be an extraordinarily strong drafting benefit on that race. When I'm leading a car they are catching me with no effort but the minute they pass I'm all over them. It seems to me as though the car behind is getting a huge draft (much more so than previous Gr4 races I've done). If so, perhaps this was also making my steering unexpectedly light when I was behind other cars coming into corners...which obviously would not happen when qualifying.

On a different subject, and not having read back over the last few week's posts, I do like the new system of enforcing penalties to be taken. Not sure of the location of the enforcement on Daliy A though. The home straight may have made more sense. Also not sure of the idea that you can't scrub it optionally before the enforced zone.

 

[05XR8]

Let's set it off

Hope I have a bit of luck and fun, in the Gr.1 FIA race.

 

[gtpierre]

I’m not sure what happened but since the last update I’m 3 seconds off the pace. Running near last around Catalunya (DR B).

Very depressing.

Same here. Usually in Gr4 or 3 I have no problem getting in the top 2000 (Europe)qualy time.

Now I can't go faster than 1min483. All gr3 cars feel undrivable, lots more oversteer than what it used to be. I'm thinking either I put the driving aids on for the first time either I don't race this week. Very weird. I don't know if they changed something with the DS4 but I definitely does not feel similar.
I guess I'll also have to skip the FIA manufacturer race.

It might also be the weather conditions on Catalunya that make the hard tyres not very gripy ?

And why are you lecturing me on race C when you - as you admitted - haven't even tried it yourself? I did about 10 races from the back on my American account, and while I did see a lot of people making a lot of mistakes, I didn't encounter the much-talked-about "dirty-drivers" - to me it seemed like people just tried to race.

There is a big difference between being malicious and being unskilled.

As I said, I raced the equivalent race with bots for testing. If I can't get a clean race with bots, there is no way I can do it with humans.
And yeah I maintain that not braking when people are colliding in front of you is a problem. As for the dirty driving, I could upload any race I do. You will see that there is systematically at least one or two dirty drivers. If you don't see it during the race, just save the replay and you will see it.

 

[Dorofint]

I fully agree with you.

The problem is penalties are pretty low and the field spreads out a lot towards the end, especially in a daily C, so the end time penalty might not do anything. You can dive into T1, take out 5 cars, and then take the 1 to 4 sec penalty to the finish with a decent chance of having enough of a gap not to lose any positions or at least less than you gained with the early dive bomb.

Time outs are a very effective disciplinary tool. Plus some people don't care all that much about DR or SR. For some it's good enough to finish first with 15+ sec penalties. Of course these might simply skip the pit anyway, dq if you ignore it a second time. The point is to stop the GTA type player which is working by how many quit after getting slowed down by the penalty zone.

Sven is absolutely right. If someone in T1 rammed several vehicles off the track, he might get punished for 5 seconds. This is hardly noticeable, especially in a C race. The offender, after his ramming, can drive good lap times in a good position. His victims, on the other hand, have fallen behind and are losing massive time in battles trying to regain their original position. They usually lose much more time than the 5 seconds penalty of the causer. Thus the victims of such an attack would always be punished much more severely than the true perpetrator.
Basically, the perpetrators shouls to be slowed down in the race until they were well behind their victims. Only then divebombs or ramming would not be advantageous for them anymore. But for that dirty maneuvers have to be better recognized. Otherwise, the wrong will be punished again.

This is precisely why I avoid dailies like the plague now... I raced with these guys three rounds in a row and it was more of the same but this race in particular was a nightmare.
So many late lunges, shoves and blocks that I eventually lost it and started dishing out my own justice. Cost me 18 SR but worth it i'd say
Once I get my DR back up to where i need it I'm out for good though. Not worth the trouble...

The Porsche at the beginning in your video is the pattern example of an over motivated driver. He goes over all limits in the race and thus destroys the races of other drivers who drive clean. But the other drivers are not much better. The video is a good example of the decline in the level of GT Sport. Clean players can hardly do anything about it because they are unintentionally affected by it. Only the developers could do something but what came so far was clearly not enough to discipline such drivers.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Race B has one big problem. I f you start in front from position 1 to 4, maybe 5 or 6 is also fine, you are on the straight while the countdown.
On the position behind you will start in the last bend or in the chicane while other drivers accelerate. In the beginning a big gap to the next best driver.

It's a pretty significant gap from my experience. In one race I started top 6 and the driver before the straight was 1.5 seconds behind. I thought it was lag or he went off the track at first.

I guess it's the nature of the track. A standing start would be a clown fiesta and likely cause more problems. Other than removing the chicanes at the start and placing them back once everyone is on the straight, there's very little to solve it.

 

[05XR8]

I tried to mind my clean race, but other players ain't trying to study that. Giving space means "you're holding me up" or "💡 A gap! Must be rush hour... I'll just squeeze my car in that tight space. That'll get me closer to my destination. I'm a winner!👍".

Edit: We'll get there

Just made A/S status. See how long it lasts.

 

[Dorofint]

I tried to mind my clean race, but other players ain't trying to study that. Giving space means "you're holding me up" or "💡 A gap! Must be rush hour... I'll just squeeze my car in that tight space. That'll get me closer to my destination. I'm a winner!👍".

Edit: We'll get there

Just made A/S status. See how long it lasts.

The slipstream is also a big problem. As a result, many drivers behind you have the feeling of being much faster and being held back by you. This encourages them to ram or divebomb. When these drivers are in front of you, it quickly becomes clear that they mostly are not faster at all without slipstream.
The growing aggressiveness in the races is a big problem. Many simply do not want to accept that in an online game, not everyone can win. So they try to force the desired success. That's also a question of motivation. I drive because I want to have fun in exciting races. It does not matter if I finish on 1 or 15 when the race is good and the battles fair. But other players only go for the victory.

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

Well said. I've come to accept that I'm a backfielder most often, and those midfield and almost podiums feel like wins to me. My 4th in the FIA Manufacturer race I was giddy. The racing was clean and very fun, and knowing I wouldn't win, I conceded positions as cleanly as I could. Got a few back by staying on track and letting others be too aggressive. I need to link youtube or something so I can share videos.

 

[ToddSalad]

Race A: My SR is S right now and I still have people side swiping me off the road in turn 1. Had a clean race going battling for 5th and I take the outside line in T1 and my fellow racer decides to punt me off the track. For why? You ruin someone's race because they are trying to pass? Maybe it's just early morning racers being cranky.

Secondly, I really need to turn on TCS for the start; I've forgotten twice.

 

[05XR8]

The slipstream is also a big problem. As a result, many drivers behind you have the feeling of being much faster and being held back by you. This encourages them to ram or divebomb. When these drivers are in front of you, it quickly becomes clear that they mostly are not faster at all without slipstream.
The growing aggressiveness in the races is a big problem. Many simply do not want to accept that in an online game, not everyone can win. So they try to force the desired success. That's also a question of motivation. I drive because I want to have fun in exciting races. It does not matter if I finish on 1 or 15 when the race is good and the battles fair. But other players only go for the victory.

Uhh, speaking of fair battles. THis is a first. Excellent Sportsmanship!