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Sven Jurgens
a green flag ... one green flag
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That... is just... bizarre.
Famine
It is entirely reasonable to refer to the nationality (or region) of a driver with whom you have had interactions - positive or negative. There's no innate lack of value in noting it. I had a nice race the other day with a Polish driver on my FIA EMEA account, but I had a less than nice race with a Costa Rican driver on my US account.

It is not reasonable to refer to drivers of that nationality (or region) with a blanket negative stereotype.
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I'm not sure how you (or any one of the other people I've seen doing this) have got the idea that you can't say "Brazilian", or who you think "green flag" is fooling, but you can and it isn't.

You can say that a dirty dude is a Brazilian. You can't say that Brazilians are dirty dudes. This concept shouldn't be confusing in any way - applying a sweeping stereotype to everyone from a certain place is neither polite nor permitted.


We've also had a strange uptick in people thinking naming and shaming is okay. It's not, and never has been.

I don't know quite why I have to remind people of these two points every 11 weeks.
 
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Not bad. Not bad at all.

First race in a good while. Went from 15th to 4th in the Group 4 race.

I made sure to do a fast lap before my next race. I was in 4th. Then, at the start I was 3rd. A Bugatti was 2nd. It vanished.
I won my first race! The Peugeot behind me, wiped out the one in front of me and the first place Vantage into T1. So sad.

My last race was at Brands Hatch. I hurried to set a time on hard tyres. Started on the same tyres for one lap.
From 11th to 2nd.
The Medium tyres carried me after lap 1. I seemed to be racing one of the lead Atenzas. Couldn't believe how much I moved up to the front.
The soft tyres had to last me five laps. Good thing about the Mustang, it drives just like the Group 4 car. Very similar feel on corner entry.

I like to quit while I'm ahead.
 
Famine
That... is just... bizarre.

I'm not sure how you (or any one of the other people I've seen doing this) have got the idea that you can't say "Brazilian", or who you think "green flag" is fooling, but you can and it isn't.

You can say that a dirty dude is a Brazilian. You can't say that Brazilians are dirty dudes. This concept shouldn't be confusing in any way - applying a sweeping stereotype to everyone from a certain place is neither polite nor permitted.


We've also had a strange uptick in people thinking naming and shaming is okay. It's not, and never has been.

I don't know quite why I have to remind people of these two points every 11 weeks.
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There is this particular group (won't name them, but all with the same tag in the name) running the Brazilian flag that seems to have it out for Canadians. They usually talk about Canadians at the start of the race although I don't speak Spanish and only recognize a few unfriendly words plus the word for Canadian :lol: It has become an ongoing battle, likely often fed by jumping to conclusions due the the huge latency difference between Canada and Brazil.

I'm not always friendly on the track either, ram me on purpose and I'll bite back, especially if you give me a BS penalty. However I always start with a clean slate next race, Exception to this particular group. I've kinda had it with them and last night it felt good to take one out with a pre-emptive strike.

Anyway I don't discriminate on flag when a dirty driver rams me. Equal opportunity avenger to survive Monza. What is standing out to me is that Brazil is heavily represented at Monza this week. Not sure why, maybe Americans are avoiding the track. It's mostly the lag that starts the problems then people start pushing back etc.
 
Sven Jurgens
likely often fed by jumping to conclusions due the the huge latency difference between Canada and Brazil
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Quite so. In terms of signal time, I'm closer to literally any city in the USA or Canada than someone in Sao Paolo is - simply because financiers spend billions on the shortest routing possible with the highest bandwidth cabling in order to shave a millisecond off the transaction time between FTSE and NYSE.

It's something well worth remembering before people - in either direction - decide one country or region is full of dirty drivers.
 
Sven Jurgens
There is this particular group (won't name them, but all with the same tag in the name) running the Brazilian flag that seems to have it out for Canadians. They usually talk about Canadians at the start of the race although I don't speak Spanish and only recognize a few unfriendly words plus the word for Canadian :lol: It has become an ongoing battle, likely often fed by jumping to conclusions due the the huge latency difference between Canada and Brazil.

I'm not always friendly on the track either, ram me on purpose and I'll bite back, especially if you give me a BS penalty. However I always start with a clean slate next race, Exception to this particular group. I've kinda had it with them and last night it felt good to take one out with a pre-emptive strike.

Anyway I don't discriminate on flag when a dirty driver rams me. Equal opportunity avenger to survive Monza. What is standing out to me is that Brazil is heavily represented at Monza this week. Not sure why, maybe Americans are avoiding the track. It's mostly the lag that starts the problems then people start pushing back etc.
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Speaking Spanish won't help. Try Portuguese.
 
Famine
It's something well worth remembering before people - in either direction - decide one country or region is full of dirty drivers.
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I have a much more balanced approach. Anyone who isn't me is a dirty driver :dopey:. Anyone who finishes in front of me is clearly cheating 👍 !. And PD has abandoned GTS to focus on GT7 because I'm not getting my weekly updates with 5 new cars and 6 new tracks a fortnight :mad:.
 
250Cal
Speaking Spanish won't help. Try Portuguese.
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DoctorNuu
Speaking Spanish compared to not speaking it would help quite a lot with understanding Portuguese - just saying...
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sturk0167
Yup. All 4 of the people that made it onto my Punt On Sight list have red white and blue flags.

*Speaking Spanish will also help with understanding Italian. Many words are nearly the same.
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I went to a nobby school, and learned Latin.

I wasn't any particular use at it but it helps me pick out word roots in any romance language, so I can read better than I can hear or speak. It even helps me along with some of English's bizarre, kidnapped words (and medical terminology; a Swiss doctor and I once did a diagnostic conversation in "medical" because I couldn't follow the French/Italian terms and he couldn't put them in English). I learned German too, so the Germanic languages (including the Scandinavian languages) are similar for me. Balto-Slavic and Uralic are just impenetrable though.

I didn't like Latin at all at the time, but it's turned out to be relatively useful 25 years later :lol:
 
Long straights at Monza offset the wheelbarrow handling of the RCZ. GT-R and C7 are good options, Mustang a "maybe". BoP is whacked. I got tired of getting all the corners right and watching hacks motor past in the RCZ, so I switched. I'm not really a meta car guy, but I dropped a full second, so go figure.
 
Famine
I went to a nobby school, and learned Latin.

I wasn't any particular use at it but it helps me pick out word roots in any romance language, so I can read better than I can hear or speak. It even helps me along with some of English's bizarre, kidnapped words (and medical terminology; a Swiss doctor and I once did a diagnostic conversation in "medical" because I couldn't follow the French/Italian terms and he couldn't put them in English). I learned German too, so the Germanic languages (including the Scandinavian languages) are similar for me. Balto-Slavic and Uralic are just impenetrable though.

I didn't like Latin at all at the time, but it's turned out to be relatively useful 25 years later :lol:
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Years ago, I visited Tokyo. I was trying to talk to a Japanese chick in a bar. I only knew a few Japanese words, and she didn't know any English.
As it turned out, we were able to communicate the best by both using Spanish words. I thought that was kinda funny. :lol:
 
250Cal
Speaking Spanish won't help. Try Portuguese.
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I can barely tell the difference between Italian and Spanish with my low level of French. I don't think I could tell the difference between Portuguese and Spanish. But GTS has been teaching me plenty swear words in whatever language it may be :lol:

sturk0167
Yup. All 4 of the people that made it onto my Punt On Sight list have red white and blue flags.

*Speaking Spanish will also help with understanding Italian. Many words are nearly the same.
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I'm probably harder on Canadians, getting rammed off by a fellow Canadian often stings worse. There's no lag excuse there. I often tell people they made it to my list, but tbh, there are so many I won't remember them anyway :lol:

I learned some positive words from GTS as well, Abrazo 👍
 
Some C race questions:-

- why is a B/S mainly clean until you get some A DR drivers in the race?
- why do you get a 5 seconds penalty when another driver tries, and fails, to ram you off at Druids? Happened to me twice....
- why do the non-qualifiers, who feel they have a right to ram past everybody, always prove to be the ones that didn't realise that they had to use all 3 tyres?
- why do people take the wide line through the last corner, knowing that they are pitting, only to find they have cars inside them blocking their way in (not that it stops them trying!)?

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bone_tone
- why do people take the wide line through the last corner, knowing that they are pitting, only to find they have cars inside them blocking their way in
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I had a guy in a Beetle behind me on almost a lap, not quite close enough to overtake. Coming to the last corner I blink right and hug the inside curb. He still hit me as I turn in to the pits.
The next lap I was right behind him at that corner and low and behold! He could take the wide line!

Just raced one guy in a Hyundai, me and an Aston was trying to pass him and he was swerving on the straights, and taking the middle line through corners. On lap 8...
So I took the only way past, slight contact in the corner, no one got a penalty, he kept his speed and all. Then a lap later I pit, he passes and I have to do it again in T1. So he just rear ends me in T2, straight off.

@milehighmadd that's not good. Better not do that then.
 
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Had some great races in C last night and this morning in the RSR.

First race I had a easy win setup.......but I forgot I haven’t put at Brands in forever......hello 5sec penalty ‍♂️ . In hindsight I should have grabbed hards knowing I’d come out behind P2 and waste my mediums. Had a great battle to the end though.

Next 3 races finished 1st with 5-10sec up on 2nd just controlling the pace. I would run softs to start and go till lap 8/9 depending on how my lap times were doing and if the gap was holding/increasing. Then mediums till lap 13. I like that strategy, because IF I get overtaken on lap 1 or start 2nd I can just hold and use the draft to preserve tires knowing I’ll stay out longer.

This morning I did 2 races before work. Both races started P2 to a R8 starting on Hards, so getting past early was critical. Lap 2 I was on the inside of T3 and we had extremely light contact but he must have made a mistake and ran off which gave me the most absurd 8sec penalty. Pushed as hard as I could till the penalty zone and dropped to 6th, then got tagged and dropped to 8th. This is only lap 3 so I just stuck my head down and started chipping away.

By lap 7 I was in 2nd using 1sts draft and stayed out till lap 9. Came out of the pits in 2nd and just kept trying to get distance from 3rd. Pit for Hards but came out right behind 2nd with a GTR in 4th right on my bumper. Had to use a few defensive tricks to keep him back but held 3rd.

2nd race same group, the R8 on Hards and GTR behind me. We rotated between us first two laps with great racing, then a RSR barreld into T2 and I let him go knowing I’m running long. Sat on their bumpers till they made mistakes and I got by. Managed to get a 5sec gap by the time I pit. But I had to pit early......I spun coming out of sheenes. Thankfully a full 360 and stayed on track. The real pain was I knocked my audio cable loose to my headphone. No sound. Hmmm it’s lap 7, earlier than I wanted....I need sound. Jumped into pits early for mediums and fixed my audio. Came out with 3sec up, got that to 10 before grabbing Hards and finishing first 4sec up despite a spin lol.

I really love this wild three compound strategy. Lot of people trying different tactics.
 
Not a lot of time so far this week. Set a qt of 1.59.014 for the A race. Got a handfull of races in yesterday after work, and was happy to have all good clean runs. Fair and fast competition, including Mr. @BenRod, good racing with you as always my friend.

I still can't seem to get the chicane right more than once a race. I plan on racing some more when i get home in about 30 minutes, heres hoping that today is as good as yesterday was...
 
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