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I believe 3/5 of them were on a DS4, You, @Sven Jurgens and @Invisigoth , I’m not 100% certain who was driving the Black Calsonic Nissan though?

Ooh, thanks for the alert. 6 laps Sarthe, no Chicane, R92CP time! WHAT??? Fuel x1, Mazda 787B!!!! Woohoo!!! :D:cheers::D

Btw doesn't look like I was in that picture. This is what I've been driving with the 5 lap fuel conserve races on Sarthe.
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The Mazda will be a change from my usual blue cars, I left it orange (With Mononoke on it of course)
 
Ooh, thanks for the alert. 6 laps Sarthe, no Chicane, R92CP time! WHAT??? Fuel x1, Mazda 787B!!!! Woohoo!!! :D:cheers::D

Btw doesn't look like I was in that picture. This is what I've been driving with the 5 lap fuel conserve races on Sarthe.
lHzWZvA.jpg

The Mazda will be a change from my usual blue cars, I left it orange (With Mononoke on it of course)
I like the number :D
 
Okay, that took a while, but here is a list of ALL the Gr.1 cars. Top speeds listed, brief description of what I thought about them written, and if you're feeling the "too long, didn't read" itch, I left a ranking at the end of it all. Hope it's helpful :cheers:.

(ALL CARS TESTED WITH TCS 0, BOP ON)

Alpine VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: Very easy to drive and balanced overall, even with TCS 0 you can really have a lot of freedom with the gas pedal. Good all-rounder for the ones that aren't used to Gr. 1.

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Audi R18 '16:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Compared to the Group C cars, I was a sitting duck even at top speed. The R18 also is pretty nervous out of corners if you stomp on the gas because it's not AWD like the Porsche 919 for example, and in anything resembling an acceleration zone, I was left in the dust. Doesn't turn too well either...

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Audi R18 '11:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 357km/h

Notes: If I told you this was better around La Sarthe as a whole than it's newer model, you probably wouldn't believe me; but it is. So... that was a shock. The 2011 R18 is surprisingly simple to drive, no AWD, no hybrid power to worry about here. It is just here for a race. And it's not a sitting duck against the Gr. C's either. Comparable to the Alpine but it has a lower top speed if not in the slipstream.

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Audi VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: First of all, this car sounds like a pack of ANGRY RHINOS! UGH! If Audi ever made this car in real life into an actual prototype racer, I'd go to Le Mans in a heartbeat just to hear it whizz past! Anyway, in game it's kind of like a jack of all trades. Not as good as the hybrids in the acceleration department, but it has their cornering capability, while also not being as good as other cars in top speed, but it certainly is better than most, especially in the slipstream. Another good, well-rounded car. Although you won't need 7th gear, not even in the slipstream; the gear ratios are messed up and 7th is like an overdrive gear.

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Bugatti VGT:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 351km/h

Notes: Honestly, expected much better from the walking piece of W16 art. The Bugatti doesn't have the top speed to rival most of the field, it's not that much better than others in the cornering department; showing a lot of noticeable understeer, and it also can get easily upset while braking through the Indianapolis corner. Overall, wouldn't recommend unless you like a challenge or you're an alien smurfing in an E-B account...

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SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: The SRT, sorry to say, is quite unremarkable in terms of pace. The top speed is fine, and the cornering is okay, but that's really the key word for the car; just "okay". It gets out-accelerated by almost anything from what I've seen and the brakes are noticeably worse than others (I had to start braking a bit before the cone markers every time, most noticeable ones were at the Mulsanne corner and the braking zone before the Ford chicanes).

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Jaguar XJR-9:
-No slipstream: 366km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: The Jaaaaaag is almost exactly comparable to the 787B; both are consistent, reliable cars with high top speeds that won't tend to kill you as much as other Group C's. The XJR-9 was a bit more nervous in 2nd gear than the Mazda but not very noticeable, although I feel the 787B has the edge due to it's better (but a bit negligible) top speeds across the board.

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Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: Pretty much like the SRT, the Hyundai is unremarkable, but it is marginally better than the Tomahawk. The N 2025 shares many of it's attributes with the added bonuses of not getting out accelerated by almost anything and also a full-time AWD system, which gives you more confidence when stomping the gas. Other than that, I'd sadly stay away from it too, because it looks quite cool. Too bad the engine sounds like a rotary that's been mutilated and thrown into a blender.

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Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 360km/h
-Slipstream: 361km/h

Notes: The LM55 joins the ranks of the all-rounders quite comfortably. It's full-time AWD system gives it amazing stability under acceleration, it has a stellar top speed, able to hang with the non-hybrid modern prototypes like the 908 HDi (Group C's still outrun it, though), and also slightly out-edges the Alpine VGT in acceleration. Cornering is okay, does tend to understeer if you push it, but that's the price to pay for a car that is fast and is easy to drive. The Mazda also has the gift of rotary... ah, great sound...

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Mazda 787B:
-No slipstream: 365km/h
-Slipstream: 371km/h

Notes: If the LM55 was good, then here we gave it a bottle of Rich Energy and watched as it mutated onto an out of control, beast of a prototype. The 787B is as easy to drive as a Group C can get: surely you can spin it out, but it's gonna take some effort to do so. It gets out-accelerated by almost every hybrid, especially the TS050, but then it goes...

"NOT WHEN I GO INTO MAAXIMUM OVEEERDRIIIIVE!" *shifts into 4th gear*
"GAAAAAS GAAAAS GAAAAS! I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAAAAS!"

...and it goes past the TS050 like it's James May's cheese. That is, if you have the guts to hang with it on the curvy roads, as the 787B is not nearly as cutting edge anymore as it was in the 90s. Still, it'll probably win races with it's consistent performance, and put a smile on your face too.

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McLaren VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 354km/h
-Slipstream: 360km/h

Notes: This one actually made me a bit sad, since it's got a winning formula that is ruined by one small and yet important thing. The McLaren VGT corners great, brakes decently well and doesn't have bad gear ratios for a hybrid, with it's opportunity to get up to such a high top speed and all (pretty much on point with the all-rounded cars like the Alpine VGT and the LM55).

However, the 'Laren's downfall is indeed the battery and how it uses it. First of all, the battery is smaller than the one they use in the ****ing G-Wiz, because it runs out in like, 2 seconds. Secondly, the car doesn't use it smartly, like the 919 for example; it goes from nothing in 1st gear, nothing in 2nd gear, nothing in 3rd gear, to WOAAAAAH POWER SUUUURGE in 4th gear that lasts for 2 seconds and doesn't do much in the long run. And because you're in 4th gear and up a lot in La Sarthe, the only good-ish opportunities to charge the battery are the Mulsanne corner and the Ford chicanes, and then you'll just use it up in no time...

The good thing about it though is that it doesn't get that nasty wheel lock-up like the 919 does when you full throttle it in a low gear with the battery fully charged. You know what I'm talking about. Overall, I actually like the McLaren a lot, shame that the technicalities make it worse than it should be.

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Sauber Mercedes C9:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: Honestly, not much to say about the C9, other than it's weaker than the 787B and the Jaaaaaag in my opinion. It tends to lose traction more easily, and has lower top speeds (especially without the draft). It's not that much worse though, and I felt it was sliiightly better in the Porsche / Corvette curves, but it could've been placebo.

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Nissan GT-R LM NISMO:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 347km/h

Notes: Uh... want to lose DR? Drive this car.

...what? What else do you want me to say? Okay, I'll say some things about it. First of all, whoever thought making it FF was a good idea, props to you because it was the worst idea ever. The tires were already slightly worn by the end of lap 1, unlike pretty much every other car (even the AWDs and the Group C's). Secondly, this is the only prototype aside from the Group C's to have a 5-speed gearbox... yeah. Thirdly, the battery doesn't even charge all the way (seriously, try it for yourself) and it only charges while braking (decelerating doesn't count). And a fun fact, it pulls to the left on it's own when the tires are worn. Try it.

...can we go back to an actual LMP car please? Thanks?

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Nissan R92CP:
-No slipstream: 371km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The R92 combines pretty much all the good things about the Group C cars, and gives it some polishing. It's as easy to handle at low speeds as the Jaguar, while being Mazda-fast and some more on the straights, and it eats pretty much any car that isn't the 919 / TS050 for breakfast in acceleration. I think this is one of the best of the Group C's, but it has noticeable understeer tendencies at the Porsche curves.

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Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT:
-No slipstream: 336km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Hey, GT-R LM! You've got mail!

*To: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO
*From: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
*Subject: Friend Request

hey, wanna be friends?

The L750R is as unremarkable as one can get. Battery power is unnoticeable and might as well not be there, pathetic top speed and okay acceleration. The things it has going for it is cornering and braking; rather good, but pales in comparison to the disadvantages it has.


...at least it's right wheel drive...

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Peugeot 908 HDi:
-No slipstream: 351km/h
-Slipstream: 352km/h

Notes: Compared to the L750R, the 908 isn't much better. Trades the braking capability for a better top speed and it does have a bit more wheelspin, especially in lower gears. However, I would consider this a step up from the L750, but it's still more toward the bottom of the spectrum.

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Porsche 962C:
-No slipstream: 363km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The 962C is like the R92CP, but without the understeering tendencies at high speed. However, what it gains in cornering, it loses in grunt, as it gets out-accelerated by Nissan's Group C offering. Shockingly so, in fact I was almost asking myself if the secondary turbine of the 962 had stopped working (yes I like my Initial D references). Overall, it might be a hard choice between the two.

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Porsche 919 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 338km/h
-Slipstream: 338km/h

Notes: Porsche's modern LMP offering is wildly popular in almost every Gr.1 daily race, but it doesn't look like today will be the day for it to shine. It's top speed makes it a sitting duck, but it has the cornering capability and the monstrous acceleration to bring the fight to any other Gr.1 car in-between the Mulsanne corner all the way to the Tertre Rouge corner. After that, though... eeeesh.

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Toyota TS030 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: Toyota's older hybrid is akin to the 919; good acceleration, great cornering and nice braking capability. However, just in my opinion, the TS030 edges out the 919 simply because of the higher top speed it possesses, which makes it not as defenseless as one might expect.

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Toyota TS050 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 344km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: However, the TS050 puts those qualities in what is, in my opinion, an even better overall package. I found the TS050 only added to the previous model's strengths, without giving it weaknesses (apart from the slightly inferior top speed without slisptream asistance). The TS050 is really up there, but will it be able to offset the Group C's? In my opinion, no, but we'll have to see.

Therefore, we conclude the list. And here's my rankings:

-1: Porsche 962C
-2: Nissan R92CP
-3: Mazda 787B
-4: Jaguar XJR-9
-5: Sauber Mercedes C9
-6: Toyota TS050 Hybrid
-7: Toyota TS030 Hybrid
-8: Porsche 919 Hybrid
-9: McLaren VGT Gr.1
-10: Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1
-11: Alpine VGT Gr.1
-12: Audi VGT Gr.1
-13: Peugeot 908 HDi
-14: Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1
-15: Audi R18 '11
-16: SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1
-17: Audi R18 '16
-18: Bugatti VGT Gr.1
-19: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
-20: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO

:gtpflag:
 
Okay, that took a while, but here is a list of ALL the Gr.1 cars. Top speeds listed, brief description of what I thought about them written, and if you're feeling the "too long, didn't read" itch, I left a ranking at the end of it all. Hope it's helpful :cheers:.

(ALL CARS TESTED WITH TCS 0, BOP ON)

Alpine VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: Very easy to drive and balanced overall, even with TCS 0 you can really have a lot of freedom with the gas pedal. Good all-rounder for the ones that aren't used to Gr. 1.

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Audi R18 '16:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Compared to the Group C cars, I was a sitting duck even at top speed. The R18 also is pretty nervous out of corners if you stomp on the gas because it's not AWD like the Porsche 919 for example, and in anything resembling an acceleration zone, I was left in the dust. Doesn't turn too well either...

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Audi R18 '11:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 357km/h

Notes: If I told you this was better around La Sarthe as a whole than it's newer model, you probably wouldn't believe me; but it is. So... that was a shock. The 2011 R18 is surprisingly simple to drive, no AWD, no hybrid power to worry about here. It is just here for a race. And it's not a sitting duck against the Gr. C's either. Comparable to the Alpine but it has a lower top speed if not in the slipstream.

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Audi VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: First of all, this car sounds like a pack of ANGRY RHINOS! UGH! If Audi ever made this car in real life into an actual prototype racer, I'd go to Le Mans in a heartbeat just to hear it whizz past! Anyway, in game it's kind of like a jack of all trades. Not as good as the hybrids in the acceleration department, but it has their cornering capability, while also not being as good as other cars in top speed, but it certainly is better than most, especially in the slipstream. Another good, well-rounded car. Although you won't need 7th gear, not even in the slipstream; the gear ratios are messed up and 7th is like an overdrive gear.

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Bugatti VGT:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 351km/h

Notes: Honestly, expected much better from the walking piece of W16 art. The Bugatti doesn't have the top speed to rival most of the field, it's not that much better than others in the cornering department; showing a lot of noticeable understeer, and it also can get easily upset while braking through the Indianapolis corner. Overall, wouldn't recommend unless you like a challenge or you're an alien smurfing in an E-B account...

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SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: The SRT, sorry to say, is quite unremarkable in terms of pace. The top speed is fine, and the cornering is okay, but that's really the key word for the car; just "okay". It gets out-accelerated by almost anything from what I've seen and the brakes are noticeably worse than others (I had to start braking a bit before the cone markers every time, most noticeable ones were at the Mulsanne corner and the braking zone before the Ford chicanes).

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Jaguar XJR-9:
-No slipstream: 366km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: The Jaaaaaag is almost exactly comparable to the 787B; both are consistent, reliable cars with high top speeds that won't tend to kill you as much as other Group C's. The XJR-9 was a bit more nervous in 2nd gear than the Mazda but not very noticeable, although I feel the 787B has the edge due to it's better (but a bit negligible) top speeds across the board.

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Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: Pretty much like the SRT, the Hyundai is unremarkable, but it is marginally better than the Tomahawk. The N 2025 shares many of it's attributes with the added bonuses of not getting out accelerated by almost anything and also a full-time AWD system, which gives you more confidence when stomping the gas. Other than that, I'd sadly stay away from it too, because it looks quite cool. Too bad the engine sounds like a rotary that's been mutilated and thrown into a blender.

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Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 360km/h
-Slipstream: 361km/h

Notes: The LM55 joins the ranks of the all-rounders quite comfortably. It's full-time AWD system gives it amazing stability under acceleration, it has a stellar top speed, able to hang with the non-hybrid modern prototypes like the 908 HDi (Group C's still outrun it, though), and also slightly out-edges the Alpine VGT in acceleration. Cornering is okay, does tend to understeer if you push it, but that's the price to pay for a car that is fast and is easy to drive. The Mazda also has the gift of rotary... ah, great sound...

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Mazda 787B:
-No slipstream: 365km/h
-Slipstream: 371km/h

Notes: If the LM55 was good, then here we gave it a bottle of Rich Energy and watched as it mutated onto an out of control, beast of a prototype. The 787B is as easy to drive as a Group C can get: surely you can spin it out, but it's gonna take some effort to do so. It gets out-accelerated by almost every hybrid, especially the TS050, but then it goes...

"NOT WHEN I GO INTO MAAXIMUM OVEEERDRIIIIVE!" *shifts into 4th gear*
"GAAAAAS GAAAAS GAAAAS! I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAAAAS!"

...and it goes past the TS050 like it's James May's cheese. That is, if you have the guts to hang with it on the curvy roads, as the 787B is not nearly as cutting edge anymore as it was in the 90s. Still, it'll probably win races with it's consistent performance, and put a smile on your face too.

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McLaren VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 354km/h
-Slipstream: 360km/h

Notes: This one actually made me a bit sad, since it's got a winning formula that is ruined by one small and yet important thing. The McLaren VGT corners great, brakes decently well and doesn't have bad gear ratios for a hybrid, with it's opportunity to get up to such a high top speed and all (pretty much on point with the all-rounded cars like the Alpine VGT and the LM55).

However, the 'Laren's downfall is indeed the battery and how it uses it. First of all, the battery is smaller than the one they use in the ****ing G-Wiz, because it runs out in like, 2 seconds. Secondly, the car doesn't use it smartly, like the 919 for example; it goes from nothing in 1st gear, nothing in 2nd gear, nothing in 3rd gear, to WOAAAAAH POWER SUUUURGE in 4th gear that lasts for 2 seconds and doesn't do much in the long run. And because you're in 4th gear and up a lot in La Sarthe, the only good-ish opportunities to charge the battery are the Mulsanne corner and the Ford chicanes, and then you'll just use it up in no time...

The good thing about it though is that it doesn't get that nasty wheel lock-up like the 919 does when you full throttle it in a low gear with the battery fully charged. You know what I'm talking about. Overall, I actually like the McLaren a lot, shame that the technicalities make it worse than it should be.

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Sauber Mercedes C9:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: Honestly, not much to say about the C9, other than it's weaker than the 787B and the Jaaaaaag in my opinion. It tends to lose traction more easily, and has lower top speeds (especially without the draft). It's not that much worse though, and I felt it was sliiightly better in the Porsche / Corvette curves, but it could've been placebo.

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Nissan GT-R LM NISMO:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 347km/h

Notes: Uh... want to lose DR? Drive this car.

...what? What else do you want me to say? Okay, I'll say some things about it. First of all, whoever thought making it FF was a good idea, props to you because it was the worst idea ever. The tires were already slightly worn by the end of lap 1, unlike pretty much every other car (even the AWDs and the Group C's). Secondly, this is the only prototype aside from the Group C's to have a 5-speed gearbox... yeah. Thirdly, the battery doesn't even charge all the way (seriously, try it for yourself) and it only charges while braking (decelerating doesn't count). And a fun fact, it pulls to the left on it's own when the tires are worn. Try it.

...can we go back to an actual LMP car please? Thanks?

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Nissan R92CP:
-No slipstream: 371km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The R92 combines pretty much all the good things about the Group C cars, and gives it some polishing. It's as easy to handle at low speeds as the Jaguar, while being Mazda-fast and some more on the straights, and it eats pretty much any car that isn't the 919 / TS050 for breakfast in acceleration. I think this is one of the best of the Group C's, but it has noticeable understeer tendencies at the Porsche curves.

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Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT:
-No slipstream: 336km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Hey, GT-R LM! You've got mail!

*To: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO
*From: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
*Subject: Friend Request

hey, wanna be friends?

The L750R is as unremarkable as one can get. Battery power is unnoticeable and might as well not be there, pathetic top speed and okay acceleration. The things it has going for it is cornering and braking; rather good, but pales in comparison to the disadvantages it has.


...at least it's right wheel drive...

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Peugeot 908 HDi:
-No slipstream: 351km/h
-Slipstream: 352km/h

Notes: Compared to the L750R, the 908 isn't much better. Trades the braking capability for a better top speed and it does have a bit more wheelspin, especially in lower gears. However, I would consider this a step up from the L750, but it's still more toward the bottom of the spectrum.

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Porsche 962C:
-No slipstream: 363km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The 962C is like the R92CP, but without the understeering tendencies at high speed. However, what it gains in cornering, it loses in grunt, as it gets out-accelerated by Nissan's Group C offering. Shockingly so, in fact I was almost asking myself if the secondary turbine of the 962 had stopped working (yes I like my Initial D references). Overall, it might be a hard choice between the two.

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Porsche 919 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 338km/h
-Slipstream: 338km/h

Notes: Porsche's modern LMP offering is wildly popular in almost every Gr.1 daily race, but it doesn't look like today will be the day for it to shine. It's top speed makes it a sitting duck, but it has the cornering capability and the monstrous acceleration to bring the fight to any other Gr.1 car in-between the Mulsanne corner all the way to the Tertre Rouge corner. After that, though... eeeesh.

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Toyota TS030 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: Toyota's older hybrid is akin to the 919; good acceleration, great cornering and nice braking capability. However, just in my opinion, the TS030 edges out the 919 simply because of the higher top speed it possesses, which makes it not as defenseless as one might expect.

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Toyota TS050 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 344km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: However, the TS050 puts those qualities in what is, in my opinion, an even better overall package. I found the TS050 only added to the previous model's strengths, without giving it weaknesses (apart from the slightly inferior top speed without slisptream asistance). The TS050 is really up there, but will it be able to offset the Group C's? In my opinion, no, but we'll have to see.

Therefore, we conclude the list. And here's my rankings:

-1: Porsche 962C
-2: Nissan R92CP
-3: Mazda 787B
-4: Jaguar XJR-9
-5: Sauber Mercedes C9
-6: Toyota TS050 Hybrid
-7: Toyota TS030 Hybrid
-8: Porsche 919 Hybrid
-9: McLaren VGT Gr.1
-10: Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1
-11: Alpine VGT Gr.1
-12: Audi VGT Gr.1
-13: Peugeot 908 HDi
-14: Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1
-15: Audi R18 '11
-16: SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1
-17: Audi R18 '16
-18: Bugatti VGT Gr.1
-19: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
-20: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO

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I decided to race the Porsche 962C in that Nations race at Laguna last week, that TS050 walked me, lol. Love the car, which is why I picked it just never again at Laguna against TS050 had my hands full the entire race with people passing me.
 
I decided to race the Porsche 962C in that Nations race at Laguna last week, that TS050 walked me, lol. Love the car, which is why I picked it just never again at Laguna against TS050 had my hands full the entire race with people passing me.

Yeah, TS050 will walk anything unless it's La Sarthe No Chicane.

...and on that bombshell, time to spend some more of my life grinding Blue Moon Bay... jesus that testing session was expensive :guilty:...
 
Yeah, TS050 will walk anything unless it's La Sarthe No Chicane.

...and on that bombshell, time to spend some more of my life grinding Blue Moon Bay... jesus that testing session was expensive :guilty:...

Lol!!! Only money I get is from Sport mode I stay broke after I bought my 20 million $$$ ride... why I haven't raced this class much can't afford testing, don't regret buying the 962C that was my choice out of them all without driving any of them. The acceleration just wasn't there but it's a joy to drive luckily managed top 10 against bunch of TS050.
 
Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 360km/h
-Slipstream: 361km/h

Notes: The LM55 joins the ranks of the all-rounders quite comfortably. It's full-time AWD system gives it amazing stability under acceleration, it has a stellar top speed, able to hang with the non-hybrid modern prototypes like the 908 HDi (Group C's still outrun it, though), and also slightly out-edges the Alpine VGT in acceleration. Cornering is okay, does tend to understeer if you push it, but that's the price to pay for a car that is fast and is easy to drive. The Mazda also has the gift of rotary... ah, great sound...
And that's why this car was my go-to in Gr. 1 when I was using a DS4. Hardly ever had to worry about finessing the throttle (which I could never get the hang of in anything more powerful than Gr. 4), and never had to use TCS. Once I got my G29, I eventually had to cave and buy the TS050 once I felt I reached the peak of what the LM55 could achieve against the hybrids at most tracks. This is still my go-to at the "regular" La Sarthe circuit though.
McLaren VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 354km/h
-Slipstream: 360km/h

Notes: This one actually made me a bit sad, since it's got a winning formula that is ruined by one small and yet important thing. The McLaren VGT corners great, brakes decently well and doesn't have bad gear ratios for a hybrid, with it's opportunity to get up to such a high top speed and all (pretty much on point with the all-rounded cars like the Alpine VGT and the LM55).

However, the 'Laren's downfall is indeed the battery and how it uses it. First of all, the battery is smaller than the one they use in the ****ing G-Wiz, because it runs out in like, 2 seconds. Secondly, the car doesn't use it smartly, like the 919 for example; it goes from nothing in 1st gear, nothing in 2nd gear, nothing in 3rd gear, to WOAAAAAH POWER SUUUURGE in 4th gear that lasts for 2 seconds and doesn't do much in the long run. And because you're in 4th gear and up a lot in La Sarthe, the only good-ish opportunities to charge the battery are the Mulsanne corner and the Ford chicanes, and then you'll just use it up in no time...

The good thing about it though is that it doesn't get that nasty wheel lock-up like the 919 does when you full throttle it in a low gear with the battery fully charged. You know what I'm talking about. Overall, I actually like the McLaren a lot, shame that the technicalities make it worse than it should be.
I really wanted to like this car, because it looks the coolest out of all the Gr. 1 cars (but all the Group C cars are a very close 2nd place), but yeah it's useless everywhere because of what you described.
Nissan GT-R LM NISMO:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 347km/h

Notes: Uh... want to lose DR? Drive this car.

...what? What else do you want me to say? Okay, I'll say some things about it. First of all, whoever thought making it FF was a good idea, props to you because it was the worst idea ever. The tires were already slightly worn by the end of lap 1, unlike pretty much every other car (even the AWDs and the Group C's). Secondly, this is the only prototype aside from the Group C's to have a 5-speed gearbox... yeah. Thirdly, the battery doesn't even charge all the way (seriously, try it for yourself) and it only charges while braking (decelerating doesn't count). And a fun fact, it pulls to the left on it's own when the tires are worn. Try it.

...can we go back to an actual LMP car please? Thanks?
I remember the GT Academy round at La Sarthe with this monstrosity in GT6...
It also had suspension that made a kart feel like a Maybach by comparison. I had to almost turn my FFB completely off, and even on its lowest setting it felt like I was going to shake my wheel and its flimsy stand apart!

Thanks for that thorough write-up! 👍:cheers:
 
Okay, that took a while, but here is a list of ALL the Gr.1 cars. Top speeds listed, brief description of what I thought about them written, and if you're feeling the "too long, didn't read" itch, I left a ranking at the end of it all. Hope it's helpful :cheers:.

(ALL CARS TESTED WITH TCS 0, BOP ON)

Alpine VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: Very easy to drive and balanced overall, even with TCS 0 you can really have a lot of freedom with the gas pedal. Good all-rounder for the ones that aren't used to Gr. 1.

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Audi R18 '16:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Compared to the Group C cars, I was a sitting duck even at top speed. The R18 also is pretty nervous out of corners if you stomp on the gas because it's not AWD like the Porsche 919 for example, and in anything resembling an acceleration zone, I was left in the dust. Doesn't turn too well either...

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Audi R18 '11:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 357km/h

Notes: If I told you this was better around La Sarthe as a whole than it's newer model, you probably wouldn't believe me; but it is. So... that was a shock. The 2011 R18 is surprisingly simple to drive, no AWD, no hybrid power to worry about here. It is just here for a race. And it's not a sitting duck against the Gr. C's either. Comparable to the Alpine but it has a lower top speed if not in the slipstream.

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Audi VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 358km/h

Notes: First of all, this car sounds like a pack of ANGRY RHINOS! UGH! If Audi ever made this car in real life into an actual prototype racer, I'd go to Le Mans in a heartbeat just to hear it whizz past! Anyway, in game it's kind of like a jack of all trades. Not as good as the hybrids in the acceleration department, but it has their cornering capability, while also not being as good as other cars in top speed, but it certainly is better than most, especially in the slipstream. Another good, well-rounded car. Although you won't need 7th gear, not even in the slipstream; the gear ratios are messed up and 7th is like an overdrive gear.

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Bugatti VGT:
-No slipstream: 348km/h
-Slipstream: 351km/h

Notes: Honestly, expected much better from the walking piece of W16 art. The Bugatti doesn't have the top speed to rival most of the field, it's not that much better than others in the cornering department; showing a lot of noticeable understeer, and it also can get easily upset while braking through the Indianapolis corner. Overall, wouldn't recommend unless you like a challenge or you're an alien smurfing in an E-B account...

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SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: The SRT, sorry to say, is quite unremarkable in terms of pace. The top speed is fine, and the cornering is okay, but that's really the key word for the car; just "okay". It gets out-accelerated by almost anything from what I've seen and the brakes are noticeably worse than others (I had to start braking a bit before the cone markers every time, most noticeable ones were at the Mulsanne corner and the braking zone before the Ford chicanes).

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Jaguar XJR-9:
-No slipstream: 366km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: The Jaaaaaag is almost exactly comparable to the 787B; both are consistent, reliable cars with high top speeds that won't tend to kill you as much as other Group C's. The XJR-9 was a bit more nervous in 2nd gear than the Mazda but not very noticeable, although I feel the 787B has the edge due to it's better (but a bit negligible) top speeds across the board.

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Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 352km/h
-Slipstream: 354km/h

Notes: Pretty much like the SRT, the Hyundai is unremarkable, but it is marginally better than the Tomahawk. The N 2025 shares many of it's attributes with the added bonuses of not getting out accelerated by almost anything and also a full-time AWD system, which gives you more confidence when stomping the gas. Other than that, I'd sadly stay away from it too, because it looks quite cool. Too bad the engine sounds like a rotary that's been mutilated and thrown into a blender.

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Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 360km/h
-Slipstream: 361km/h

Notes: The LM55 joins the ranks of the all-rounders quite comfortably. It's full-time AWD system gives it amazing stability under acceleration, it has a stellar top speed, able to hang with the non-hybrid modern prototypes like the 908 HDi (Group C's still outrun it, though), and also slightly out-edges the Alpine VGT in acceleration. Cornering is okay, does tend to understeer if you push it, but that's the price to pay for a car that is fast and is easy to drive. The Mazda also has the gift of rotary... ah, great sound...

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Mazda 787B:
-No slipstream: 365km/h
-Slipstream: 371km/h

Notes: If the LM55 was good, then here we gave it a bottle of Rich Energy and watched as it mutated onto an out of control, beast of a prototype. The 787B is as easy to drive as a Group C can get: surely you can spin it out, but it's gonna take some effort to do so. It gets out-accelerated by almost every hybrid, especially the TS050, but then it goes...

"NOT WHEN I GO INTO MAAXIMUM OVEEERDRIIIIVE!" *shifts into 4th gear*
"GAAAAAS GAAAAS GAAAAS! I'M GONNA STEP ON THE GAAAAS!"

...and it goes past the TS050 like it's James May's cheese. That is, if you have the guts to hang with it on the curvy roads, as the 787B is not nearly as cutting edge anymore as it was in the 90s. Still, it'll probably win races with it's consistent performance, and put a smile on your face too.

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McLaren VGT Gr.1:
-No slipstream: 354km/h
-Slipstream: 360km/h

Notes: This one actually made me a bit sad, since it's got a winning formula that is ruined by one small and yet important thing. The McLaren VGT corners great, brakes decently well and doesn't have bad gear ratios for a hybrid, with it's opportunity to get up to such a high top speed and all (pretty much on point with the all-rounded cars like the Alpine VGT and the LM55).

However, the 'Laren's downfall is indeed the battery and how it uses it. First of all, the battery is smaller than the one they use in the ****ing G-Wiz, because it runs out in like, 2 seconds. Secondly, the car doesn't use it smartly, like the 919 for example; it goes from nothing in 1st gear, nothing in 2nd gear, nothing in 3rd gear, to WOAAAAAH POWER SUUUURGE in 4th gear that lasts for 2 seconds and doesn't do much in the long run. And because you're in 4th gear and up a lot in La Sarthe, the only good-ish opportunities to charge the battery are the Mulsanne corner and the Ford chicanes, and then you'll just use it up in no time...

The good thing about it though is that it doesn't get that nasty wheel lock-up like the 919 does when you full throttle it in a low gear with the battery fully charged. You know what I'm talking about. Overall, I actually like the McLaren a lot, shame that the technicalities make it worse than it should be.

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Sauber Mercedes C9:
-No slipstream: 357km/h
-Slipstream: 369km/h (nice)

Notes: Honestly, not much to say about the C9, other than it's weaker than the 787B and the Jaaaaaag in my opinion. It tends to lose traction more easily, and has lower top speeds (especially without the draft). It's not that much worse though, and I felt it was sliiightly better in the Porsche / Corvette curves, but it could've been placebo.

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Nissan GT-R LM NISMO:
-No slipstream: 334km/h
-Slipstream: 347km/h

Notes: Uh... want to lose DR? Drive this car.

...what? What else do you want me to say? Okay, I'll say some things about it. First of all, whoever thought making it FF was a good idea, props to you because it was the worst idea ever. The tires were already slightly worn by the end of lap 1, unlike pretty much every other car (even the AWDs and the Group C's). Secondly, this is the only prototype aside from the Group C's to have a 5-speed gearbox... yeah. Thirdly, the battery doesn't even charge all the way (seriously, try it for yourself) and it only charges while braking (decelerating doesn't count). And a fun fact, it pulls to the left on it's own when the tires are worn. Try it.

...can we go back to an actual LMP car please? Thanks?

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Nissan R92CP:
-No slipstream: 371km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The R92 combines pretty much all the good things about the Group C cars, and gives it some polishing. It's as easy to handle at low speeds as the Jaguar, while being Mazda-fast and some more on the straights, and it eats pretty much any car that isn't the 919 / TS050 for breakfast in acceleration. I think this is one of the best of the Group C's, but it has noticeable understeer tendencies at the Porsche curves.

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Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT:
-No slipstream: 336km/h
-Slipstream: 341km/h

Notes: Hey, GT-R LM! You've got mail!

*To: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO
*From: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
*Subject: Friend Request

hey, wanna be friends?

The L750R is as unremarkable as one can get. Battery power is unnoticeable and might as well not be there, pathetic top speed and okay acceleration. The things it has going for it is cornering and braking; rather good, but pales in comparison to the disadvantages it has.


...at least it's right wheel drive...

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Peugeot 908 HDi:
-No slipstream: 351km/h
-Slipstream: 352km/h

Notes: Compared to the L750R, the 908 isn't much better. Trades the braking capability for a better top speed and it does have a bit more wheelspin, especially in lower gears. However, I would consider this a step up from the L750, but it's still more toward the bottom of the spectrum.

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Porsche 962C:
-No slipstream: 363km/h
-Slipstream: 373km/h

Notes: The 962C is like the R92CP, but without the understeering tendencies at high speed. However, what it gains in cornering, it loses in grunt, as it gets out-accelerated by Nissan's Group C offering. Shockingly so, in fact I was almost asking myself if the secondary turbine of the 962 had stopped working (yes I like my Initial D references). Overall, it might be a hard choice between the two.

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Porsche 919 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 338km/h
-Slipstream: 338km/h

Notes: Porsche's modern LMP offering is wildly popular in almost every Gr.1 daily race, but it doesn't look like today will be the day for it to shine. It's top speed makes it a sitting duck, but it has the cornering capability and the monstrous acceleration to bring the fight to any other Gr.1 car in-between the Mulsanne corner all the way to the Tertre Rouge corner. After that, though... eeeesh.

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Toyota TS030 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 350km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: Toyota's older hybrid is akin to the 919; good acceleration, great cornering and nice braking capability. However, just in my opinion, the TS030 edges out the 919 simply because of the higher top speed it possesses, which makes it not as defenseless as one might expect.

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Toyota TS050 Hybrid:
-No slipstream: 344km/h
-Slipstream: 353km/h

Notes: However, the TS050 puts those qualities in what is, in my opinion, an even better overall package. I found the TS050 only added to the previous model's strengths, without giving it weaknesses (apart from the slightly inferior top speed without slisptream asistance). The TS050 is really up there, but will it be able to offset the Group C's? In my opinion, no, but we'll have to see.

Therefore, we conclude the list. And here's my rankings:

-1: Porsche 962C
-2: Nissan R92CP
-3: Mazda 787B
-4: Jaguar XJR-9
-5: Sauber Mercedes C9
-6: Toyota TS050 Hybrid
-7: Toyota TS030 Hybrid
-8: Porsche 919 Hybrid
-9: McLaren VGT Gr.1
-10: Mazda LM55 VGT Gr.1
-11: Alpine VGT Gr.1
-12: Audi VGT Gr.1
-13: Peugeot 908 HDi
-14: Hyundai N 2025 VGT Gr.1
-15: Audi R18 '11
-16: SRT Tomahawk VGT Gr.1
-17: Audi R18 '16
-18: Bugatti VGT Gr.1
-19: Peugeot L750R HYbrid VGT
-20: Nissan GT-R LM NISMO

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Thank you. Good stuff.

Yeah, the 962. Maybe others can get a grasp on its handling better than me. The turbo cars will pull my Mazda while accelerating. So, I'll have to be close in the corners.
 
I remember the GT Academy round at La Sarthe with this monstrosity in GT6...
It also had suspension that made a kart feel like a Maybach by comparison. I had to almost turn my FFB completely off, and even on its lowest setting it felt like I was going to shake my wheel and its flimsy stand apart!

To be fair, the GT-R LM has... well... one thing going for it. It turns in really well when you lift off the gas, courtesy of being FF. Small advantage to an otherwise gimicky, and useless car. Could be worth the DR loss for the memes though, this is just a game after all. Imagine the guy in pole position choosing the GT-R LM, I'd do it just for the 30 seconds of laughter it'd bring everyone else when the starting grid is being shown :lol:.
 
@Natalie_GT thank you for doing the research for us!
I for one will run 787b and R92CP, alternating to rest my ears. But that Howl is addictive

Honestly, I think the R92CP, 787B, 962C, 919 and TS050 are the only Gr.1 cars you ever really need to have since they are the METAs. I'm thinking of running the R92CP for qualifying and the 787B for the race, since the Nissan is the quickest without slipstream.

...also so I can sell all the other useless Gr.1 cars that I had to buy so I could test them and they ended up not being any good :lol:.

To add, anybody know what the META is for Interlagos? Think it's the Atenza? I just like to spend my money wisely, so I can buy the unicorns ASAP. What's PD's obsession with the 20 million dollar cars, anyway...
 
I still don't get how the lobby selection is working... I was working now for a good quali for B, did 1.41.1 which put me on 237 place in EMEA in the moment, which seemed good, logged to the race and... P11
Matching is based on SR, then DR, then once you're in the lobby on Q time.

SR is broken down in brackets of ten, SR90 - 99 drivers fill lobbies by DR until none are left, last lobby may be filled with SR80-89. Lobbies are filled based on highest DR first. The process then continues for remaining SR80-89, then 70-79 etc.

Once you've been matched according to this, the lobby you're in is sorted by Q time.
 
I still do NOT understand the DR system. Two Race B's this morning, both clean, both advance 3 and 4 positions, and still my DR goes DOWN 159 points. I give up.
 
I still do NOT understand the DR system. Two Race B's this morning, both clean, both advance 3 and 4 positions, and still my DR goes DOWN 159 points. I give up.


Gained positions doesn’t mean anything, it only matters where you finish and who is ahead of and behind you at the finish.


There is a thread somewhere with all the details @Famine knows.

A quick explanation.

Door numbers mean little when you or other in the room are below DR.B (below 10,000 DR)
Door number is your DR reverse sorted alphabetically, 9 gets door number one, 8,000 comes after 900, etc.

The formula for DR is

You gain 80 points from each driver you finish ahead of, adjusted for the difference in your DR vs the other driver's DR

80 + (DR difference / 500) for each driver.

If your DR is higher you get less points (minimum 1)
If your DR is lower you get more points (maximum 160)

It's a zero sum exchange, so in reverse you give 80 points to each driver you finish behind.
(You can't end up below 1 yet still give out the points you owe, technically not zero sum, point inflation happens at the bottom)
Disconnecting counts as finishing last (you still give points to those who do stay connected until the end)

To get off the ground, you'll need to finish about half way up. It depends on the room though and who you beat. If you get matched with an A/S driver who crashes or disconnect, you'll get 160 points from that driver alone.

SR is a tricky subject especially now penalties have harsh SR deductions while still being assigned wrong far more often than not.
SR is the first factor in matchmaking and is the reason why the competition often seems completely unfair.

Any SR Down (penalty or not), getting the orange SR Down arrow for contact with another car deducts 10 SR.
Race A and B usually only give out 4 to 6 SR for a clean race, Race C nowadays is worth around 12 points per race.
This combined with penalties being assigned wrongly most of the time, does not guarantee any better racing at SR.S than at SR.C :/

In my experience, racing as DR.B SR.C is much better nowadays than at DR.A SR.S, sad but it's been like that for a couple months now.
Time of day, whether you do Race A/B or C make a big difference in where your SR goes, it has little left to do with sportmanship or driving by generally accepted racing rules. https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/

Matchmaking works by collecting all entries between 90 and 99 SR, sort on DR, create rooms.
Then collect all entries between 80 and 89 SR, sort on DR, add the highest DR to the left over spots in the last room created and continue.

This results in for example getting rooms like
1. A+/S90+ to B/S90+
2. B/S90+ to D/S90+
3. A+/S80+ with D/S90+ (the last D/S90+ room had spots left over which get filled with the highest DR in 80-89 range creating a A+ with D room)
4. A/S80+ to C/S80+
5. A/S70+ with C/S80+ to D/S80+ (the last 80-89 SR room had spots left over which get filled by the highest DR in 70-79 range)
etc

Matchmaking only really works in the 90 to 99 SR room, the rest all easily get messed up due to how the server fills up rooms.
Still when there aren't that many entries the top room is usually A+/S90+ to D/S90+, you don't stand a chance.

SR.B is the largest group, which makes the competition the closest. Most people to choose from to make evenly matched rooms. That is, if it weren't for DR resets and alt accounts coming through. (people that are labeled DR.B but drive like DR.A or A+)

Closer matched in pace also means more chance at contact and bad penalties, hence SR.B is such a difficult place to advance from.


Head spinning yet?

Don't worry too much about SR, D/S is the most demotivating place to be, usually getting matched with rabbits that are impossible to catch leading to getting timed out before the finish. D/S is only good for maintaining SR.99 since the field spreads out so quickly reducing chance of contact.
 
I still do NOT understand the DR system. Two Race B's this morning, both clean, both advance 3 and 4 positions, and still my DR goes DOWN 159 points. I give up.
The DR system doesn't care where you start or how many cars you pass. It only cares what slot you're in on the results board at race end, and how your DR compares to the other drivers in the race.
It also doesn't care whether it was a clean race or a demolition derby. ONLY your finish position counts.

SR does care about the demolition derby, and if your SR suffers enough your DR will be reset.
 
Okay, that took a while, but here is a list of ALL the Gr.1 cars. Top speeds listed, brief description of what I thought about them written, and if you're feeling the "too long, didn't read" itch, I left a ranking at the end of it all. Hope it's helpful :cheers:.

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A lot of time and effort, Natalie. Thanks. Though I wish you'd included your lap times as well, so I could judge how well I'm doing in the few cars I have on that list.

Anyway. Maybe I'll see ya'll on the track next week. If I feel I can handle the humiliation.
 
A lot of time and effort, Natalie. Thanks. Though I wish you'd included your lap times as well, so I could judge how well I'm doing in the few cars I have on that list.

Anyway. Maybe I'll see ya'll on the track next week. If I feel I can handle the humiliation.

Oh, heck no! I just wanted to see how each one drove and compare them all. You can get a big idea from just a few laps, more so with BOP. I don't have nearly enough time to put each and every one of the Gr.1 cars through an actual time attack, and plus, I'm no alien :lol:.
 
A lot of time and effort, Natalie. Thanks. Though I wish you'd included your lap times as well, so I could judge how well I'm doing in the few cars I have on that list.

Anyway. Maybe I'll see ya'll on the track next week. If I feel I can handle the humiliation.

We did a race last night with this combo, I think my best lap was a 3:06.9, so the Aliens will probably be close to or under the 3 minute mark.
 
We did a race last night with this combo, I think my best lap was a 3:06.9, so the Aliens will probably be close to or under the 3 minute mark.

With BoP on? If off, then I'm not to far off that mark. Just ran a few with BoP on. About 3 secs slower. Guess I have some more practice to do. Especially as my best times are with cars pretty low on Natalie's list. Just can't get a handle on the Jag. A squirrely cat she is.
 
With BoP on? If off, then I'm not to far off that mark. Just ran a few with BoP on. About 3 secs slower. Guess I have some more practice to do. Especially as my best times are with cars pretty low on Natalie's list. Just can't get a handle on the Jag. A squirrely cat she is.

Yup, BoP On, RH tires and no slipstream for that lap, using the R92. 👍
 
Take into consideration slipstream is also a big thing, especially down La Sarthe and ESPECIALLY with Gr.1 cars. Defending from Mulsanne to Tertre Rouge isn't very difficult and on the Mulsanne straight it's down to the players around you and downright luck; if they work with you by bump drafting or not, if you have multiple trains of slipstream down the straight, if you're going 4 wide into the Mulsanne corner (I've seen it, trust me, some people should learn when to back off :crazy:), bunch of factors other than raw pace can affect the outcome.
 
That guy is so pathetic he still lost! If he wanted to do it properly he should've blocked you at the last minute so he'd get a speed boost and maybe take another place too.

Goes to show, most rammers don't do it smartly :lol:!

I think he wanted to send him down the pitlane , when he missed it he then tried to pit manoeuver him
 
I really don't get what the deal is with the hybrid juice on ths Fit in race A. I would expect lap times to be faster when you have juice, but all my fastest laps happen when it's gone. I did about 30 laps this morning, chasing a top ten spot. Missed it by about .01. I did 2 laps in the 35.4's, 2 in the 35.5's. Lots of .6, .7's and .8's. Best lap with juice was a high 35.6, but most were .9's. I look at speeds just before hitting the brakes, and I don't see a difference really. I think it actually hurts in sector 2. Seems to spin up the tires faster so you loose drive.

IDK why the top 10 spot means so much. It's like an addiction. I'm at 13th now, and I figure .04 faster will probably get me there. Maybe another run tomorrow morning. I won one from the back last night, but it wasn't really fair with the pole at 36.1. Had fun with the Demio from the back. Pretty easy to pass in the 2'nd sector.
 
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