"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Groundfish]

And about the penalty system, I think this is the best state that I've seen of it, in a rather ironic way. Now any kind of contact can result in a SR Down for either driver, which can take quite some time to recover. Due to this, it seems that people now drive with a mentality of "avoid contact at all costs", which includes even minor contact that wouldn't disrupt a race.

Agreed
In online race no fear of injury or death. No fear of destroying expensive cars, but if there’s fear of penalties for contact racing is way more fun and fair.

 

[T_702_Balone]

I have said before i think there are differences in culture and I mean that in a way that says we need to understand everyone's perspective.

For the record, you are way, way, way, way too far back to make that move. You're nowhere near close enough, it only ended clean because the driver you passed was so aware and courteous, if he continued on the racing line as he had every right to do you would have had a huge crash. The inside, defensive line is slower, I am not going to take that unless I have to and if i see you that far back i am going to assume I don't need to defend the inside line.

You need to be up along someone's C-pillar to make a clean pass free of any errors from the driver in front. You're in another postal code.

i dont know about way way way too far back, looked like barely a .1, at that delta, I always expect someone to try the inside if it is there. An option would have been to risk the SR and a crash and cover it, keep the position. Interesting example though, might not have been the most courteous, but certainly not dirty and he made the corner.

would you feel differently if it was the last lap?

no critique here, just something to ponder

 

[MIE1992]

I did, when you asked last time, which was two days ago and in this thread...

I don’t really understand, though. Could you elaborate on that?

 

[Famine]

I don’t really understand, though. Could you elaborate on that?

Numerical sorting:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10

Alphabetical sorting:
1
10
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

The door numbers are the DR of everyone in the lobby sorted alphabetically. 8 is ranked higher than 75,000, should those two numbers ever be in the same lobby.

 

[NoStopN]

What if they didn't show names?

Then how am I supposed to make my list, check it twice, & recall who gets a revenge punt for being not so nice?

Btw this is GT Sport without the SR system

That was just too funny.

Would somebody explain to me how door numbers work again?

They don't. Just keep driving.

Hi, I'm the brazilian that appears in your video. About the Turn 1 incident, personally I thought it was a clean move. I don't know what people may think of it so I will leave the video from my perspective down below.

Personally, from the angles of both your video & @Natalie_GT's videos, I didn't see the traditional "bump" for contact. If Natalie went wide for her own safety, that's her prerogative. Personally, if I thought I could outbrake a car in that situation, I would have done so as well. I admit that most of the time I am closer to the car ahead than in your video.

 

[sturk0167]

I don’t really understand, though. Could you elaborate on that?

I've seen the explanation about 50 times, and it still doesn't make sense to me either. I'm lost when they start talking about alphabetical sorting of numbers.
Famine's explanation above, goes beyond my comprehension level, apparently.
For a while, I thought they meant the numbers spelled out with their letters. I suppose that isn't the case, because Eight would be first, and Two would be last.
Since I can't figure it out either, I ignore it. 👍

*Edit: The fact that tons of people have a hard time figuring it out means to me, that they've unnecessarily complicated something that should be really simple.
Listen up you PD jerks: Just give the person with most DR points the lowest number!
It shouldn't be so difficult.

 

[Natalie_GT]

I've seen the explanation about 50 times, and it still doesn't make sense to me either. I'm lost when they start talking about alphabetical sorting of numbers.
Famine's explanation above, goes beyond my comprehension level, apparently.
For a while, I thought they meant the numbers spelled out with their letters. I suppose that isn't the case, because Eight would be first, and Two would be last.
Since I can't figure it out either, I ignore it. 👍

Just race and then check K' to see whether you won or lost DR. K' is never wrong .

 

[NoStopN]

Just race and then check K' to see whether you won or lost DR. K' is never wrong .

My theory is to just try to finish above my door number. I finished 11th in one of the DTG races last week & still gained DR. It wasn't much (100 points or so), but gaining is always better than losing DR.

 

[O604]

I don’t really understand, though. Could you elaborate on that?

I think of it as 2 groups. At least you 'll understand 1.

Races DR B and above are in logical order. Races with DR below B, it's complicated.

 

[Natalie_GT]

i dont know about way way way too far back, looked like barely a .1, at that delta, I always expect someone to try the inside if it is there. An option would have been to risk the SR and a crash and cover it, keep the position. Interesting example though, might not have been the most courteous, but certainly not dirty and he made the corner.

would you feel differently if it was the last lap?

no critique here, just something to ponder

Personally speaking, if the roles were reversed and I were behind, I would absolutely not try to dive onto the inside from that distance. Way too risky and requires a lot of attention from the other driver in case you brake too late so you don't collect them with your overzealous overtake attempt, be it the first lap or the final lap.

I think everybody has their own unwritten rules about attacking and defending. Some are confident in sending it at a certain distance where others would not, some will put up a robust defence leaving the other driver the bare minimum of space while others will defend more relaxedly so as to minimize chances of an accident and losses of time.

Comes down to the driver's personality, experience, confidence and track awareness. With personality you make your driving style, experience leads to confidence and track awareness. From trial and error you learn what works and what doesn't, and I guess the "sending it distance" is one of them , but like I said, it also relies on awareness of the other driver.

Just putting the example between me and @Facosao , if I had followed the racing line as normal then most likely there would have been an accident. While I don't doubt his driving ability, if said accident happened, I'd be pretty 🤬 annoyed at him, and almost everybody would if they were the victim, but because of awareness, we managed to not make a scene of the race and carry on. Was I annoyed? Admittedly, yes. But I knew it was the best thing to do.

And while I don't consider it a dirty move, I don't consider it perfect either. It was risky and I had to move away to give him some more room, which leads to interesting debate. At the end of the day, it's fun to see other opinions on the matter, instead of saying "woah what a dirty player". Let's see what others think, I guess, respectfully please !

 

[T_702_Balone]

Personally speaking, if the roles were reversed and I were behind, I would absolutely not try to dive onto the inside from that distance. Way too risky and requires a lot of attention from the other driver in case you brake too late so you don't collect them with your overzealous overtake attempt, be it the first lap or the final lap.

I think everybody has their own unwritten rules about attacking and defending. Some are confident in sending it at a certain distance where others would not, some will put up a robust defence leaving the other driver the bare minimum of space while others will defend more relaxedly so as to minimize chances of an accident and losses of time.

Comes down to the driver's personality, experience, confidence and track awareness. With personality you make your driving style, experience leads to confidence and track awareness. From trial and error you learn what works and what doesn't, and I guess the "sending it distance" is one of them , but like I said, it also relies on awareness of the other driver.

Just putting the example between me and @Facosao , if I had followed the racing line as normal then most likely there would have been an accident. While I don't doubt his driving ability, if said accident happened, I'd be pretty 🤬 annoyed at him, and almost everybody would if they were the victim, but because of awareness, we managed to not make a scene of the race and carry on. Was I annoyed? Admittedly, yes. But I knew it was the best thing to do.

And while I don't consider it a dirty move, I don't consider it perfect either. It was risky and I had to move away to give him some more room, which leads to interesting debate. At the end of the day, it's fun to see other opinions on the matter, instead of saying "woah what a dirty player". Let's see what others think, I guess, respectfully please !

I agree with you 100%, I wouldnt have gone for that either for similar reasons; it is the nature of the game and racing with others who, unless you "know" them, are unpredictable. i have almost messaged the driver in back of me to work together first, battle later, before race start, probably a waste of time. But, you and I will be in the same race one day, you can stay on your preferred line and not worry. I never see GTPers in the races im in, some are prob there, i just dont recognize the PD name.

cool vids BTW, i cant get the music out of my head for days....

 

[O604]

Only 1 race today. But working on the QT. (sturk made me)

QT 01:31.102. Started 6. Finished 5. No incidents.

Best race and result for me this week. Working on the time wasn't all that helpful in starting position. But shaving a few tenths in practice made all the difference. I was always losing Mistah_MCA's ghost on Daiichi (T1). So I did that about 10 times, hitting reset after the turn. That paid off.

 

[Facosao]

I have said before i think there are differences in culture and I mean that in a way that says we need to understand everyone's perspective.

For the record, you are way, way, way, way too far back to make that move. You're nowhere near close enough, it only ended clean because the driver you passed was so aware and courteous, if he continued on the racing line as he had every right to do you would have had a huge crash. The inside, defensive line is slower, I am not going to take that unless I have to and if i see you that far back i am going to assume I don't need to defend the inside line.

You need to be up along someone's C-pillar to make a clean pass free of any errors from the driver in front. You're in another postal code.

Personally speaking, if the roles were reversed and I were behind, I would absolutely not try to dive onto the inside from that distance. Way too risky and requires a lot of attention from the other driver in case you brake too late so you don't collect them with your overzealous overtake attempt, be it the first lap or the final lap.

I think everybody has their own unwritten rules about attacking and defending. Some are confident in sending it at a certain distance where others would not, some will put up a robust defence leaving the other driver the bare minimum of space while others will defend more relaxedly so as to minimize chances of an accident and losses of time.

Comes down to the driver's personality, experience, confidence and track awareness. With personality you make your driving style, experience leads to confidence and track awareness. From trial and error you learn what works and what doesn't, and I guess the "sending it distance" is one of them , but like I said, it also relies on awareness of the other driver.

Just putting the example between me and @Facosao , if I had followed the racing line as normal then most likely there would have been an accident. While I don't doubt his driving ability, if said accident happened, I'd be pretty 🤬 annoyed at him, and almost everybody would if they were the victim, but because of awareness, we managed to not make a scene of the race and carry on. Was I annoyed? Admittedly, yes. But I knew it was the best thing to do.

And while I don't consider it a dirty move, I don't consider it perfect either. It was risky and I had to move away to give him some more room, which leads to interesting debate. At the end of the day, it's fun to see other opinions on the matter, instead of saying "woah what a dirty player". Let's see what others think, I guess, respectfully please !

While I wouldn't say that I was too far back to go for the move, I agree that it is generally not a good idea to try it, especially on the first lap. I did try to hug the inside to avoid a collision, but I can see how a driver that brakes and turns into that corner would have crashed into me. It was a bit of a poor decision really, and one that I will try to avoid in the future.

 

[housej]

I've seen the explanation about 50 times, and it still doesn't make sense to me either. I'm lost when they start talking about alphabetical sorting of numbers.
Famine's explanation above, goes beyond my comprehension level, apparently.
For a while, I thought they meant the numbers spelled out with their letters. I suppose that isn't the case, because Eight would be first, and Two would be last.
Since I can't figure it out either, I ignore it. 👍

*Edit: The fact that tons of people have a hard time figuring it out means to me, that they've unnecessarily complicated something that should be really simple.
Listen up you PD jerks: Just give the person with most DR points the lowest number!
It shouldn't be so difficult.

If you were to sort the following numbers alphabetically - 22,584 - 14,987- 8,597- 36,897- 58,695- 12 the the door numbers would be
1. 12
2. 14,987
3. 22,584
4. 36,897
5. 58,695
6. 8,597

Sorts from first number, if they are the same goes to second number and so on.

 

[Groundfish]

The way Nurb GP is and the way he held tight onto that inside was fine imo.
He held super tight line there...
I felt @Facosao was just racing fine there.
@Natalie_GT correct if I’m wrong but I believe the GTS yellow line is not so far left as you were in the braking phase, also I was doing some practice before bed and there’s more grip where the gts line is and better braking.

Knock on wood so far under this system I haven’t received any pens getting tapped from behind in braking areas at GP, but I run a steady line, and I think that helps, also certain cars draw more penalties than others...
Like st LeMans certain cars get limits pens far more strictly...but it’s also sr down etc imo...
I’ve personally found its much harder to get penalized when you are on the racing line vs off.
OFF seems to draw more troubles in my experience.

Edit sitting at 93 sr here, think I will roll the dice on b race again and see what happens.
It’s highly likely the racing gods will give me a total beat down given that I’ve posted so much today about racing standards...

 

[Natalie_GT]

The way Nurb GP is and the way he held tight onto that inside was fine imo.
He held super tight line there...
I felt @Facosao was just racing fine there.
@Natalie_GT correct if I’m wrong but I believe the GTS yellow line is not so far left as you were in the braking phase, also I was doing some practice before bed and there’s more grip where the gts line is and better braking.

Knock on wood so far under this system I haven’t received any pens getting tapped from behind in braking areas at GP, but I run a steady line, and I think that helps, also certain cars draw more penalties than others...
Like st LeMans certain cars get limits pens far more strictly...but it’s also sr down etc imo...
I’ve personally found its much harder to get penalized when you are on the racing line vs off.
OFF seems to draw more troubles in my experience.

Edit sitting at 93 sr here, think I will roll the dice on b race again and see what happens.
It’s highly likely the racing gods will give me a total beat down given that I’ve posted so much today about racing standards...

Certain cars get more penalties? And I'll have to try that yellow line thing. Never really found a use for it.

 

[sturk0167]

If you were to sort the following numbers alphabetically - 22,584 - 14,987- 8,597- 36,897- 58,695- 12 the the door numbers would be
1. 12
2. 14,987
3. 22,584
4. 36,897
5. 58,695
6. 8,597

Sorts from first number, if they are the same goes to second number and so on.

Thanks for the effort, but that isn't making sense. Alphabetical may not be the correct term, because if it were so, it would be:

1. Eight thousand, five hundred ninety seven
2. Fifty eight thousand, six hundred ninety five
3. Fourteen thousand, nine hundred eighty seven
4. Thirty six thousand eight hundred ninety seven
5. Twelve
6. Twenty two thousand, five hundred eighty four

Even if you use each digit individually, One two would come after Eight five.
Maybe it's not an English alphabet.

Either way, I think the DR numbers being sorted alphabetically isn't factual at all. I'm calling bs on this common explanation.

*No offense intended towards @Famine and @Sven Jurgens who have both put considerable effort into explaining it over, and over again. It just doesn't add up.

 

[housej]

Thanks for the effort, but that isn't making sense. Alphabetical may not be the correct term, because if it were so, it would be:

1. Eight thousand, five hundred ninety seven
2. Fifty eight thousand, six hundred ninety five
3. Fourteen thousand, nine hundred eighty seven
4. Thirty six thousand eight hundred ninety seven
5. Twelve
6. Twenty two thousand, five hundred eighty four

Even if you use each digit individually, One two would come after Eight five.
Maybe it's not an English alphabet.

Either way, I think the DR numbers being sorted alphabetically isn't factual at all. I'm calling bs on this common explanation.

The reason they call it alphabetically (correct term for numbers is Lexicographical!) is because when you sort words alphabetically then you start at first letter, if it is the same as another word you go to next letter in order to sort.

Same with the numbers 1 is first, because number 12 and 14,987 have same first number it goes to second number to sort it. Once it has sorted the numbers with 1 it moves to next lowest number, in this case 22,584 because it starts with 2, and so on.

Anyway, is DR sorted this way, who the **** knows for sure!!

 

[Natalie_GT]

I honestly can't think of anything that the door number could be related to, I believe it's random. The most likely theory is that it's your target finishing position to not lose DR or whatever, but then again, how do you test this?

I'm going to put an example here. Say you're an A-class driver with 35k DR exactly so as to not fool around with decimals and such. This is the starting grid for, for the sake of simplicity, a daily race at Tsukuba Circuit in the early morning where there aren't many people playing:

-1: Driver 1 (A-class, 37k DR), door number 1
-2: Driver 2 (A-class, 36k DR), door number 2
-3: You (A-class, 35k DR), door number 3
-4: Driver 4 (B-class, 27k DR), door number 4
-5: Driver 5 (B-class, 25k DR), door number 5
-6: Driver 6 (B-class, 20k DR), door number 6

If we go by the "door number related to finishing position" then, this could make some sense, in this grid. You should finish ahead of the people with way less DR than you. But, now, what if we switch this all around? Say, Driver 6 and 5 are alt accounts (just to put it into perspective) from two aliens and they have locked out the front row. Then, Driver 1 had a pretty miserable qualifying lap, and dropped some places. This would be the new grid:

-1: Driver 6 (B-class, 20k DR), door number 6
-2: Driver 5 (B-class, 25k DR), door number 5
-3: Driver 2 (A-class, 36k DR), door number 2
-4: You (A-class, 35k DR), door number 3
-5: Driver 1 (A-class, 37k DR), door number 1
-6: Driver 4 (B-class, 27k DR), door number 4

I have not changed the door numbers since, technically, they should be related to DR according to the others around you, right? Well... here's where the system kind of falls apart?

While Drivers 6 and 5 don't see a whole lot of change (and to some extent also Driver 4), the door numbers for Drivers 1, 2, and 3, are quite irrelevant in this scenario. Look at it this way; to offset possible DR loss, all of them HAVE to get past Drivers 6 and 5, because since they have such a high ammount of DR difference, they will lose a lot more than what they will gain by beating themselves and Driver 4, who is at the back. In fact, Driver 1 should finish first as he has the most DR to lose.

Now I'm not sure if in this situation the door numbers would change or if they vary according to starting position or some weird algorithm, but this is a what-if scenario if the same drivers with the same DR ammounts meet each other in two separate Sport races.

Wish PD just... you know... let us know? This shouldn't be rocket science and yet it is...

 

[HaydenFan69]

So is Race C worth it this week? I love GT500's, but wish they'd go somewhere other than Fuji (the track is not very enjoyable nor very competitive). Or should I just do more laps at Suzuka for the Gr. 4 Manufacturer's Cup race?

 

[sturk0167]

The reason they call it alphabetically (correct term for numbers is Lexicographical!) is because when you sort words alphabetically then you start at first letter, if it is the same as another word you go to next letter in order to sort.

Same with the numbers 1 is first, because number 12 and 14,987 have same first number it goes to second number to sort it. Once it has sorted the numbers with 1 it moves to next lowest number, in this case 22,584 because it starts with 2, and so on.

Anyway, is DR sorted this way, who the F%^$ knows for sure!!

Thank you
If that's true, then sequential numerical order is a term that would make more sense than alphabetical. Also, if that's true, then PD would be giving a lower door number to a driver with 43,000 points than on who has 44,000 points. And if that is true, then PD needs to stop being cute, or clever, or whatever the hell they think of themselves, and give the lowest door number to the driver with the most DR points. Or just get rid of door numbers, because they don't mean 🤬.

 

[Natalie_GT]

If that's true, then sequential numerical order is a term that would make more sense than alphabetical. Also, if that's true, then PD would be giving a lower door number to a driver with 43,000 points than on who has 44,000 points. And if that is true, then PD needs to stop being cute, or clever, or whatever the hell they think of themselves, and give the lowest door number to the driver with the most DR points. Or, get rid of door numbers, because they don't mean 🤬.

Actually, this. Maybe have GT Sport have you sign up to Sport mode on it's registration page (you know, where you put your e-mail address and stuff) and ask you to put 10 numbers that you like. Cross reference those with the ones from players around the world and pick out the one that has been used the least, and make that your personal, permanent driver number. Then, your number would become something you are attached to and perhaps if you are a very fast driver, you can get called really cool names! I'd love to be called Red 5 like Nigel Mansell 👍.

 

[Fennario]

Has anyone done a livery comprised of 100's of door stickers, each with a different random number?

 

[ZiggyS80]

So is Race C worth it this week? I love GT500's, but wish they'd go somewhere other than Fuji (the track is not very enjoyable nor very competitive). Or should I just do more laps at Suzuka for the Gr. 4 Manufacturer's Cup race?

Not really. I’ve done a few races each day this week. I haven’t encountered major bad behavior, but lots of mistakes. Doesn’t seem real popular either as the lobbies have been mixed from DR A+ to D. I can’t catch the top guys and the mid pack falls off, so most races become pretty lonely in P2-P6 shortly after the first stop. If you know the track it’s good for CRBs.

 

[Groundfish]

Certain cars get more penalties? And I'll have to try that yellow line thing. Never really found a use for it.

It’s next to impossible to overtake someone running the yellow line cleanly and properly. Some tracks it’s better than others. Interlagos it’s great and Maggiore.
Brands is just extremely defensive lol.

So I entered at 93 sr and race one the 911 behind charged up the inside and got through turn one...
Later on like lap 3 I was on him on the front straight forced him into a wall scraper defense then shift out approaching braking...He brakes late swooped in and tapped me and I take sr down...BOOHOO. If I knew him and he was on my list I would have bathed him but let it go, finished fifth now bleeding sr down to 86...
Race 2 I’m pole position but there’s an AMG B S driver behind with a very solid qual...
This race was nuts, it was very hard to shake that AMG and I never did taking the win by a tenth! Totally shaking, fabulous race with that Canadian...
Sitting at 91 sr now going into the third race again the same 911 that gave me sr down is behind me again on the grid, but this time I chose a slightly tighter line and it definitely confused him and he got tangled up and I was up into 4th with yet another 911 all over me...
Same as the race before he could pressure on my bumper but I braked before apex and held a good racing line and the DBR9 was putting power down without intrusion from tcs.
Another great race...I took third I guess someone ahead took a 2 second to the line...
Net result I’m up to 96sr!
Too excited nervous to keep going.
In my opinion the system bring strict is making for great respectful racing. People enjoy it and want that sr to stay high to keep racing good rooms.
All is right with the world tonight!
Cheers

Edit the AMG is a strong car here. Hard to battle them. They seem to get power down and have good gearing...

 

[05XR8]

I've seen the explanation about 50 times, and it still doesn't make sense to me either. I'm lost when they start talking about alphabetical sorting of numbers.
Famine's explanation above, goes beyond my comprehension level, apparently.
For a while, I thought they meant the numbers spelled out with their letters. I suppose that isn't the case, because Eight would be first, and Two would be last.
Since I can't figure it out either, I ignore it. 👍

*Edit: The fact that tons of people have a hard time figuring it out means to me, that they've unnecessarily complicated something that should be really simple.
Listen up you PD jerks: Just give the person with most DR points the lowest number!
It shouldn't be so difficult.

Thank you.

What I'm seeing when someone explains it:

 

[Geauxgreddy]

Managed to go from 60 SR to 90 SR this evening AND pick up this little fella along the way!!

Had some really good tight clean racing with some 1:26.xxx qualifiers in the Laguna Seca FF Cup - Race A. I was able to stick on their bumper, which I was pretty happy about. I'm not happy that Pigems had to go and beat my qualy time by two tenths 🤬

 

[Facosao]

So about the door number thing, I decided to compare the DR of all drivers in a race against their door number. I checked the DR of each driver ~10 minutes after the race, which means the numbers aren't 100% accurate, but since DR doesn't change too much after one race I think this may be still useful. Here are their numbers (hopefully I'm not breaking any forum rules):

(The driver that would start in 6th with door number #7 left the lobby before the start, and I remember my door number being #2)

Here are the door numbers followed by DR/SR:

#1 - 53.1k/99
#2 - 48.7k/99
#3 - 48.8k/99
#4 - 42.5k/93
#5 - 31.6k/99
#6 - 27.0k/99
#7* - 26.4K/91
#8 - 20.2k/97
#9 - 13.8k/99
#10 - 13.1k/99
#11 - 13.1k/99
#12 - 12.5k/89
*Left the lobby

To me this looks like it's just "lower door number = higher DR". If it was alphabetical then I think the A+ pole sitter couldn't be #1. I've also heard that the door numbers only work that way when everyone in the lobby has a ~99 SR, but I'm not sure if that is true.

Edit: I wanted to say "lower door number = higher DR" (instead of higher), as in highest DR will have door number #1.

 

[Geauxgreddy]

So about the door number thing, I decided to compare the DR of all drivers in a race against their door number. I checked the DR of each driver ~10 minutes after the race, which means the numbers aren't 100% accurate, but since DR doesn't change too much after one race I think this may be still useful. Here are their numbers (hopefully I'm not breaking any forum rules):


To me this looks like it's just "higher door number = higher DR". If it was alphabetical then I think the A+ pole sitter couldn't be #1. I've also heard that the door numbers only work that way when everyone in the lobby has a ~99 SR, but I'm not sure if that is true.

Yeah, its weird. Sometimes it seems to be right on. OTher times, I've been the only A+ in a lobby of B C and D drivers and was door number 3 even with the top qualifying time. WTH is that? And that ForcedNducksn guy is quick.

 

[Matrix243123]

This has to be the lightest tap of the history of taps.