"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[KiepeYai]

I've stated & agreed that the system is broken. But let's be honest, if 5% of the people are getting rich by scamming while the other 95% make due by working hard, wouldn't you want that 5% to have some integrity & play by equal rules? Just because there is a loophole doesn't mean that you have to use it. Also, I agree with that last sentence.

I know, but as i said we cant really expect everyone to play by those equal rules, as pigems said ,there maybe a 8 yo somewhere running a race with their cheating quali, PD should replace daily race B imo and thats the only way to solve this mess, but we all know that’s not gonna happen

 

[Winnie847]

I know, but as i said we cant really expect everyone to play by those equal rules, as pigems said ,there maybe a 8 yo somewhere running a race with their cheating quali, PD should replace daily race B imo and thats the only way to solve this mess, but we all know that’s not gonna happen

we can't expect everyone to play by equal rules, yet here we are on a forum constantly complaining about people not following the rules of racing? Doesn't make much sense.

Same thing as people saying "the game let's you do it so it's fine" yet this forum is full of people who are upset that they've been punted off or pushed wide or barge-passed even though the game allows it.

Everybody seems to understand integrity and character when we talk about actual racecraft, but not when it comes to qualifying?

Even the cheater in this thread admits that racing with a cheating Q time is disgraceful, so these concepts of having unwritten rules that people are expected to abide by are not foreign, even to the offenders.

 

[Pigems]

Now you're fine with it being someone else?

It also allows cheated laps to be run...as long as that's the case, cheaters win. So you're left to either deal with it, not take part, or improve the penalty system.

Choices.

Not fine with it at all, they should all be punted every last race they enter too. But those cheaters aren’t the ones who are in this thread trying to justify their cheating, you are.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

Same thing as people saying "the game let's you do it so it's fine" yet this forum is full of people who are upset that they've been punted off or pushed wide or barge-passed even though the game allows it.

It didn't allow it, until a recent update...that's what they (myself included) are complaining about, entirely justified.

Everybody seems to understand integrity and character when we talk about actual racecraft, but not when it comes to qualifying?

Because, simply, if you don't do it, you're deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage, while simultaneously putting those who do it at an advantage.

So by not hitting the wall, but still taking part in the race, you are basically enabling the cheating, just by being there.

I sound like a broken record at this point...getting tired of repeating myself.

It's so much easier to hate on the individual than read the blaringly obvious, gigantic, neon-illuminated sign reading "GAME IS BROKEN", isn't it?...

Even the cheater in this thread admits that racing with a cheating Q time is disgraceful, so these concepts of having unwritten rules that people are expected to abide by are not foreign, even to the offenders.

False. Never said it was "disgraceful" to quali that way, but is to race that way because if there's one person not doing it, everyone else is a cheater *broken record noises*, so it's easier to agree to not do it during a race...

The only thing that actually would be disgraceful would be to consciously enter a race, gunning for the win you deliberately pushed away from yourself because of your principles...

Just don't take part then. It's best to not enter the race at all, like I said. Both sides are in the wrong, but the core of the problem is the game's poor penalty system.

 

[OJBrit]

Sounds like you would rather win by wallriding than just gain points honestly. I'll sit back & start mid-pack to the cheaters & capture a podium rather than "do like the other drivers do" just to start up front. Is winning a race really that important? If I feel like the cheaters are ruining the race, then I'll either find another race or take the week off.

This 100%
If you don't like drivers wallriding to gain an advantage, but wallride too to get yourself into the top 10 times then you are part of the problem. By posting that time and allowing others to see the cheat you are encouraging them to cheat also.
As @NoStopN said if you felt you couldn't compete without wallriding then there are 2 other daily races, 299 GT league races, 64 Mission Challenges and umpteen Lobby races to compete in instead.

 

[Pigems]

It didn't allow it, until a recent update...that's what they (myself included) are complaining about, entirely justified.


Because, simply, if you don't do it, you're deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage, while simultaneously putting those who do it at an advantage.

So by not hitting the wall, but still taking part in the race, you are basically enabling the cheating, just by being there.

I sound like a broken record at this point...getting tired of repeating myself.

It's so much easier to hate on the individual than read the blaringly obvious, gigantic, neon-illuminated sign reading "GAME IS BROKEN", isn't it?...


False. Never said it was "disgraceful" to quali that way, but is to race that way because if there's one person not doing it, everyone else is a cheater *broken record noises*, so it's easier to agree to not do it during a race...

The only thing that actually would be disgraceful would be to consciously enter a race, gunning for the win you deliberately pushed away from yourself because of your principles...

Just don't take part then. It's best to not enter the race at all, like I said. Both sides are in the wrong, but the core of the problem is the game's poor penalty system.

The game is broken yes, but no ones forcing you to cheat either. Don’t run the races people are cheating on, then you’re not a cheater. You can only control what you do, and you let yourself cheat, cheater.

 

[baygencos]

I am a driver. I drive! Don't know to cheat nor bother with it!

Ps. I punt dirty drivers n send them to narnia!

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

The game is broken yes, but no ones forcing you to cheat either. Don’t run the races people are cheating on, then you’re not a cheater. You can only control what you do, and you let yourself cheat, cheater.

You keep yelling "cheater, cheater" in my face, as if it's supposed to be doing something...

It stops being cheating (but technically still is) when the top third of the race lineup is a part of it...at that point you either join them, or accept defeat and walk away. It's a choice, and I just happen to be good on the rest of that track...forget T1.

 

[Groundfish]

Imo the worst would be if others didn’t know. So putting up the time is a community service.
This way people like me who would have had no idea and probably entered and donated points can opt out.
The comments helped me avoid a lot of frustration.

 

[Groundfish]

Dp

 

[Hasnain282]

Race C is one those combos that if you take too seriously you will get frustrated, but there is some good racing to be had if you're lucky.
Been using the Ford GT it's felt pretty decent, though I'm not sure how much better the Pug is in the middle sector.

 

[Pigems]

You keep yelling "cheater, cheater" in my face, as if it's supposed to be doing something...

It stops being cheating (but technically still is) when the top third of the race
lineup is a part of it...at that point you either join them, or accept defeat and walk away. It's a choice, and I just happen to be good on the rest of that track...forget T1.

It’s barely a 30s lap after the wall ride, a dead dog could be good on the rest of the track. You’re still cheating. What others do, has no bearing on what you do. One doesn’t make the other just.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

It’s barely a 30s lap after the wall ride, a dead dog could be good on the rest of the track.

Go out and be good then... It's 50 seconds.

What others do, has no bearing on what you do.

It absolutely does. I don't have to join the race, but if I do, I'll follow the leader... Why even race if not to win?

Again, why lose on purpose?

One doesn’t make the other just.

One doesn't.

A third of thousands do.

 

[baygencos]

I just won a race at Race A. I barge my way, do not respect others, drive as it as a wreckfest. I can do it all day long. Not fun for anyone! This is not the game meant to be!

 

[Winnie847]

Wouldn't you agree that it's better to deny the cheaters a win instead?

For someone who claims to be logical, and that others have a hard time with it.....you're sure struggling here to make sense. You said it's not cheating, then you called the others cheaters, and claim that by you winning you are denying the cheaters a win.

Newsflash: you are one of the cheaters.

It didn't allow it, until a recent update...that's what they (myself included) are complaining about, entirely justified.

I'm aware of all of the updates. And even before the more recent update, there was always dirty moves that people could get away with without penalty. Stop pretending to make sense and contradicting yourself.

Because, simply, if you don't do it, you're deliberately putting yourself at a disadvantage, while simultaneously putting those who do it at an advantage.

So by not hitting the wall, but still taking part in the race, you are basically enabling the cheating, just by being there.

More very impressive mental gymnastics from you. You could easily just sit out of the race like so many of the top players do when these things come up.

What enables cheating more? ...participating in a race without cheating, or actually cheating on your Q lap and claiming it's not cheating? Are you seriously saying that the people who race without cheating are enabling cheating? You have some very backwards thinking here....but I understand that logic is hard, as you said.

False. Never said it was "disgraceful" to quali that way, but is to race that way because if there's one person not doing it, everyone else is a cheater *broken record noises*, so it's easier to agree to not do it during a race...

You didn't say disgraceful, you said "shameless." You probably meant shameful but I'm going to assume English is not your first language so you get a pass here. And I didn't say that you were talking about qualifying, I knew you were talking about the race.

The contradiction lies in your words. You have enough sense to know it's "shameless" to wall ride in the race, yet are too stubborn to admit that it's also shameful to do it in qualifying. You are giving yourself an unfair advantage either way, Q or race. There's no difference.

The only thing that actually would be disgraceful would be to consciously enter a race, gunning for the win you deliberately pushed away from yourself because of your principles...

Another gold medal for mental gymnastics. Let's think for one minute about exactly what you are saying here. You are claiming that it would be disgraceful to enter a race and try to win without cheating...simply because other people are. It's laughable that you think this makes you look smart.

Just don't take part then. It's best to not enter the race at all, like I said. Both sides are in the wrong, but the core of the problem is the game's poor penalty system.

I agree. Don't take part. At least you've come to the conclusion yourself and admitted that you're wrong. So why spend all day defending something you just admitted was wrong? You also willingly called other people doing it cheaters, and somehow think higher of yourself for preventing them from winning even though you're cheating yourself. Just, wow.

 

[Natalie_GT]

You keep yelling "cheater, cheater" in my face, as if it's supposed to be doing something...

It stops being cheating (but technically still is) when the top third of the race lineup is a part of it...at that point you either join them, or accept defeat and walk away. It's a choice, and I just happen to be good on the rest of that track...forget T1.

boss.
@Pigems is "yelling" "cheater, cheater" because that's that what you are. you're just abusing game mechanics as well as the other top times, to get an advantage that other people either don't or won't use because it's cheating.

it's cheating because that's not how you're supposed to drive in a realistic racing game. say what you want about GT Sport but it is a rather realistic experience, or at least tries to be, while remaining accessible to the average Joe to drive fast in. just because 20 or whatever amount of other people are hitting the wall to go faster doesn't mean you should - just because 20 or so other people bump pass others and get away with it doesn't mean you should do it also. it's wrong.

it's not like you risk a ban for doing it, it's just the moral fact that it's wrong. you're getting called out, so just admit it and either move on (or don't, i don't know). it's supposed to be a realistic racing game, game mechanics and physics and all aside - the only reason you can do this is simply due to game mechanics not penalizing you for it. and so what if everyone else is doing it? at least enjoy your time racing people who don't do it in a clean manner and not wasting your time arguing with people on the internet because you want to defend this silly strategy. who cares about DR / SR that much anyway? just enjoy the game lmao.

and no, it doesn't take skill to slam a wall to go faster. maybe if this was Burnout or something where the fastest line does involve hitting a wall it'd be acceptable, but that's a completely different style of game.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

He didn't say he wanted the old system back, he said PD can't make a good one.

Check the first paragraph "X2", he seconds the post he quote, that ask for the old Penalty System back.

 

[Winnie847]

"It's enabling cheating if you don't cheat"

- a great and wise racing philosopher

 

[Groundfish]

Check the first paragraph "X2", he seconds the post he quote, that ask for the old Penalty System back.

I was thinking of the original system from games release, not the version before this one we now have.
I’m sorry for not being clear. I don’t want the old one. I liked the original.
Sadly as you said FIA won’t allow it.
Honestly I wonder how in a game that makes this much money and has so many aspects of fine detail and superior quality that they are unable to make functional blame for penalties.
I have to believe it’s simple. They haven’t paid enough money to attract the best talent to program it.
Edit
Wow. This is a serious matter! Nathalie came out of retirement for it lol welcome back.

However I must point out triple P is logical and consistent. It’s technically not cheating because it’s not breaking a rule.
Therefore everyone’s mad but all they are saying is we don’t like it.
The same people will cut the track to the max allowed without penalty and that’s ok, but somehow when a wall is in play that’s the devil. Lol it doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Barra333]

@NekoPufferPPP @Pigems I think the term for this one is 'agree to disagree' and move on. Nobody is going to win this argument, especially now that you are both entrenched on your respective sides.

 

[Pigems]

@NekoPufferPPP @Pigems I think the term for this one is 'agree to disagree' and move on. Nobody is going to win this argument, especially now that you are both entrenched on your respective sides.

I’ll stop calling him a cheater when he stops trying to justify his cheating. I could care less if he cheats, there’s thousands of them and nothing we can do about it. But if he’s gonna cheat, just man up and admit your cheating, and stop trying to defend it as being ok or just.

 

[Groundfish]

How ironic and broken is a game when you can get shoved into a wall and get a 2 second penalty for touching it but then hit it full speed to save time it’s allowed?
Wait for it...

 

[Winnie847]

However I must point out triple P is logical and consistent.

logical. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

edit: I see that you edited. now THAT is logical.

 

[NoStopN]

Wouldn't you agree that it's better to deny the cheaters a win instead?

No. If they feel that they must cheat to start up front, then they are likely garbage in the 7 lap full race. They're lack of skill will do them in & someone more skilled will be able to pass & win.

Imo the worst would be if others didn’t know. So putting up the time is a community service.
This way people like me who would have had no idea and probably entered and donated points can opt out.

There are also options here. First, if you feel like it's hopeless to race this combo, then don't. You won't be donating points. Second, if you're good & not preoccupied with plans other than racing, you might gain some spots & either give fewer points away or gain points.

 

[Groundfish]

There are also options here. First, if you feel like it's hopeless to race this combo, then don't

I’m not racing it. I’m glad @NekoPufferPPP brought it up.
I’m just not going to cast stones at him for racing within the rules of GTS either.
I may not like it. Maybe that’s why I don’t enter the race, but I’m not going to cast stones at him.
It’s just a q lap in a daily race.
Mankind doesn’t depend on it.

 

[Natalie_GT]

Wow. This is a serious matter! Nathalie came out of retirement for it lol welcome back.

lmao I don't even play the game that much anymore other than for time attack. Sony be patching all the free PS Plus tricks and I'm too poor.
I'll just speak my mind on the topic even if I don't race others online anymore, because 1) I can and 2) I have a good track record.

 

[Winnie847]

I’m not racing it. I’m glad @NekoPufferPPP brought it up.
I’m just not going to cast stones at him for racing within the rules of GTS either.
I may not like it. Maybe that’s why I don’t enter the race, but I’m not going to cast stones at him.
It’s just a q lap in a daily race.
Mankind doesn’t depend on it.

yes but in the same train of thought....they are just metaphorical stones being thrown in an online video game racing forum. So, same same?

 

[Groundfish]

yes but in the same train of thought....they are just metaphorical stones being thrown in an online video game racing forum. So, same same?

Well played.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

For someone who claims to be logical, and that others have a hard time with it.....you're sure struggling here to make sense. You said it's not cheating, then you called the others cheaters, and claim that by you winning you are denying the cheaters a win.

Newsflash: you are one of the cheaters.

I must admit, that was more of a comedic response rather than a serious one...

I'm aware of all of the updates. And even before the more recent update, there was always dirty moves that people could get away with without penalty. Stop pretending to make sense and contradicting yourself.

Pretending? Contradicting? What... You're not making sense here.

Yeah, there were always dirty drivers...but a lot fewer were masked as SSR-ranked drivers and racing with the clean ones. As a result they could get away with it far less frequently.

More very impressive mental gymnastics from you. You could easily just sit out of the race like so many of the top players do when these things come up.

What enables cheating more? ...participating in a race without cheating, or actually cheating on your Q lap and claiming it's not cheating? Are you seriously saying that the people who race without cheating are enabling cheating? You have some very backwards thinking here....but I understand that logic is hard, as you said.

What I mean is, if they think they can win by hitting the wall, disable them, by doing it yourself. Or don't take part if it bothers you that much.

If you don't see the point I'm trying to make...I'm sorry, I can't simplify it any further.

You didn't say disgraceful, you said "shameless." You probably meant shameful but I'm going to assume English is not your first language so you get a pass here. And I didn't say that you were talking about qualifying, I knew you were talking about the race.

The contradiction lies in your words. You have enough sense to know it's "shameless" to wall ride in the race, yet are too stubborn to admit that it's also shameful to do it in qualifying. You are giving yourself an unfair advantage either way, Q or race. There's no difference.

Right, shameful, my bad.

Racing with the wall time, no, but using the wall in a race, yes, for reasons I already explained...

The reason why doing it in quali is fine, is because it's not part of the race... You are all expected to post the fastest time possible within the allowed limits...there just so happens to be a hole in the limits which the officials don't care about.

But, in the race, if everyone keeps it clean, it's as if nothing is wrong.

Another gold medal for mental gymnastics. Let's think for one minute about exactly what you are saying here. You are claiming that it would be disgraceful to enter a race and try to win without cheating...simply because other people are. It's laughable that you think this makes you look smart.

At no point did I ever think it makes me smart... Why would I...

You don't see why it's unwise to put yourself at a disadvantage?... Sorry, there's nothing to explain here.

I agree. Don't take part. At least you've come to the conclusion yourself and admitted that you're wrong. So why spend all day defending something you just admitted was wrong? You also willingly called other people doing it cheaters, and somehow think higher of yourself for preventing them from winning even though you're cheating yourself. Just, wow.

I never denied I was in the wrong. It is wrong, but only against those who don't do the same. If you're racing a bunch of people who all did the same thing, then within that circle only, there is nothing wrong, because you all did the same thing, and are racing eachother with the same advantages.

So it's more like two different groups... like multi-class racing, except...not quite.

Not sure what makes you think I'm trying to ride a high horse...and, like I said, comedic response. As if the emoji didn't make it obvious enough...

yes but in the same train of thought....they are just metaphorical stones being thrown in an online video game racing forum. So, same same?

Exactly...

"It's enabling cheating if you don't cheat"

- a great and wise racing philosopher

Twisting words for your own convenience... Seen it a million times, not impressed. Sounding like a shady news network.

 

[O604]

Q: Can you spot the cheater?

A: The creep taking pictures of people in a park.