Death Of The G25 Power Shift

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EVO9Nate
For those that spend the extra cash for a steering wheel there should be some advantages IMHO.

-Nate
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There is advantages, like the satifaction for one.

And plus I can still shift faster then the way GT5P granny shifts most of the cars anyway.

miragsky
Damn i cant correct play with cluth right now! Its very bad now i just cant play without clutch and it is full s...! :(
sorry for bad eng!
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Just lift the throttle on shifts, can't be that hard.
 
VIPERGTSR01
There is advantages, like the satifaction for one.

And plus I can still shift faster then the way GT5P granny shifts most of the cars anyway.



Just lift the throttle on shifts, can't be that hard.
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But it can be unrealistic. I'm probably going to play with clutch disengaged until it is fixed.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Just lift the throttle on shifts, can't be that hard.
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Of course it is not hard, it's the way I do it, even when powershift was available, but you get pissed off when miss shift because you failed to lift your foot by 1 millimeter and you loose half a second because of this. It is not your fault at all, you just didn't have the perfect timing, but in real life, the next gear should be engaged anyway.

Also, there are cars (Acura NSX ie) that constantly miss shift from 1st to 2nd gear even if you fully lift your foot from the throttle, you have to wait like 3 days to engage 2nd gear
 
deadlyz33
I'm probably going to play with clutch disengaged until it is fixed.
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Sadly then I think it is the end of your GT5P clutch days, personally I don't think they will fix it..:(... UNLESS G25 or G25 sequal gets officially supported.
 
VIPERGTSR01
Sadly then I think it is the end of your GT5P clutch days, personally I don't think they will fix it..:(... UNLESS G25 or G25 sequal gets officially supported.
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Then since i play mostly offline i guess i'll be reinstalling and not updating :guilty:

I would have preferred the sound grinding synchros and possibly tranny damage instead but then it begs the question, would only g25 owners be the ones damaging there trannys leaving the auto's damage free.

i still vote to have the changes pushed to online only.
 
deadlyz33
But it can be unrealistic. I'm probably going to play with clutch disengaged until it is fixed.
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That's what I've done now, they've completely ruined the clutch. It's now unrealistic and unrewarding.

In fact, I've just spent the last 30 minutes reading the Ferrari Challenge forum because I'm trying to find a replacement for GT5P - it's really cheesed me off.
 
I am still using the clutch, I am getting better at remembering to get of the go pedal inbetween the shifts. Still an advantage using the clutch I think, unless you are constantly missing shifting.
 
It makes the clutch feel like an on/off button, and as if it is a task, and not driving. Just really bothers me. I still use the 6-speed for manual cars which is still funner than sequential mode but I really miss powershifting. I hope PD will bring it back in some form. I would like to see controller users get a clutch button so it is fair to everyone and if your willing to do more work and focus more then you should be allowed a small advantage.
 
Do any other games support clutch use? Because if GT5P cant give me a REALISTIC clutch experience, I must look elsewhere...
 
DriifterX
Do any other games support clutch use? Because if GT5P cant give me a REALISTIC clutch experience, I must look elsewhere...
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Yeah, I think there is a website (Logitechs?) That has a list of PS3/PS2 games supported by G25. I actually think Need for Speed: Carbon and Prostreet had the clutch working. Not really sure about any other games though.

NVM, I found the list of supported games:

PC

PC driving games supporting the six-speed shifter, 900-degree steering, and force feedback of the Logitech G25 Racing Wheel:

* rFactor™
by ImageSpace
* GTR2
by SimBin
* Test Drive® Unlimited
by Atari
* Need for Speed™: Carbon
by Electonic Arts
* RACE: The WTCC Game
by SimBin
* RACE: Caterham Expansion
by SimBin
* RACE 07: The WTCC Game
by SimBin


PS3


PLAYSTATION 3 driving games supporting the six-speed shifter of the Logitech G25 Racing Wheel:

* Need for Speed™: Carbon
by Electronic Arts
* Need for Speed™: ProStreet
by Electronic Arts
* NASCAR® 08
by Electronic Arts
* NASCAR® 09
by Electronic Arts
(Funny how they didn't list GT5P)

PLAYSTATION 3 driving games supporting the 900-degree steering and force feedback of the Logitech G25 and Driving Force Pro wheels:

* Gran Turismo™ HD <----------------lol
by Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.

PLAYSTATION 3 driving games supporting the force feedback of the Logitech G25, Driving Force Pro, and Driving Force EX wheels:

* Burnout™ Paradise
by Electronic Arts
* DiRT
by Codemasters
* Formula One™ Championship Edition
by Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
* Gran Turismo™ HD
by Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
* Need for Speed™: Carbon
by Electronic Arts
* Need for Speed™: ProStreet
by Electronic Arts
* Ridge Racer 7
by Namco
* NASCAR® 08
by Electronic Arts
* NASCAR® 09
by Electronic Arts
* Stuntman: Ignition
by THQ
* Sega Rally Revo™
by Sega

PlayStation®2

PlayStation 2 driving games compatible with the 900-degree steering of the Logitech G25 and Driving Force Pro wheels:

* Evolution GT™
by Lago Srl.
* Flatout™
by Empire Interactive
* Gran Turismo™ 4
by Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.
* Midnight Club™ 3: DUB Edition
by Rockstar Games
* Richard Burns Rally™
by SCi Games
* Street Racing Syndicate™
by Empire Interactive
* Test Drive® Eve of Destruction
by Atari
* TOCA Race Driver™ 2
by Codemasters
* TOCA Race Driver™ 3
by Codemasters






Only the ones in bold support the clutch. I really hope the game developers continue to implement the use of a clutch in their games as the idea of a working clutch for a home wheel is still a new concept. It seems that most of the new games that have come out since the G25 was released have supported clutch, and hopefully all future games will as well.
 
That list is sorely missing Live for Speed, which is both more realistic than anything else on that list and also fully supports the G25 and its clutch, including the ability to genuinely heel-toe downshift or stall the engine. :)
 
Wolfe
That list is sorely missing Live for Speed, which is both more realistic than anything else on that list and also fully supports the G25 and its clutch, including the ability to genuinely heel-toe downshift or stall the engine. :)
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If my PC runs GTR2 a little choppy on my computer at all settings min, would live for speed have a chance? lol
 
I got the G25 yesterday and I must say..
It's all a bit too sensitive ...
At first I thought it was exaggerated..but when I actually witnessed it myself, I have to agree with all you guys.
 
I have no probs shifting with the G25, after some practice though. It's still an advantage IMO, if you shift it more like would your own race car at a track.

As far as the misshifting when you're not 100% of the throttle, that is false. You can change gears with the throttle at 25% or so.

Nobody powershifts in real life, at least not if they want the drivetrain to last more than the race distance, and half the time it won't even last that long. Not even WRC drivers with millions in corporate backing powershift, but they do double clutch heel and toe though. One big part of motorsports is overcoming any new challenges the ruling body (PD in this case) throws at you.

BTW I'm only refering to normal race track driving, not drifting. I know PD messed up the drifting, and don't understand why they don't allow powershifting in drift mode only.

 
JUst got my G25 yesterday, I havent done the latest update yet so I can still flat shift 100% etc and Ive got to say it seems a shame that the option to flat shift has been removed, driving cars like the Integra Type-R, it loves flat shifts (in real life too lol)!!

Im still using the Japanese version, if I buy the english version and do the latest update ill still be able to use the pre updated version when I put in the Japanese disc??
 
deadlyz33
If my PC runs GTR2 a little choppy on my computer at all settings min, would live for speed have a chance? lol
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Probably. Live for Speed has very low system requirements. You can download the game as a demo from the website to see how well it runs.
 
This thread is a great example of "wheel elitism" at its best. Because some of us (yes, I have a G25 too but I don't whine) have the extra money to buy a wheel, does it mean we should have an advantage in the game? I can't see it's fair by any means that the guy next door can't get the same performance out of his car just because he didn't have $300 to blow on a piece of hardware. Sure, it pisses you off that your investment didn't give you any advantage but would you be just cool with it if there was a "GT5P Champion Edition" for sale which cost that $300 and had 50 bhp more for all cars to be used? Certainly not, you'd say it's unfair and what not but in fact the G25 has given you a similar advantage through powershifting. I remember trying it out in time trial, the sequential shifting had no chance against powershifting. The ghost just pulled away with ease. However, shifting with the clutch is still just as fast as sequential shifting, on many cars even faster as VIPERGTSR01 and Threshold say. Now it just takes some more skill and concentration, and causes instant whining.
 
Have to say im glad G25 users have lost there advantage.

Considering im someone who loves competiting for laptime leaderboards who cannot use and afford to buy a G25 I feel its only fair everyone is on a level playing field. Even if I could use a G25 I wouldn't want the advantage because leaderboard positions should be reflected on your skill and not what type of controller you use.
 
Greycap
This thread is a great example of "wheel elitism" at its best. Because some of us (yes, I have a G25 too but I don't whine) have the extra money to buy a wheel, does it mean we should have an advantage in the game? I can't see it's fair by any means that the guy next door can't get the same performance out of his car just because he didn't have $300 to blow on a piece of hardware. Sure, it pisses you off that your investment didn't give you any advantage but would you be just cool with it if there was a "GT5P Champion Edition" for sale which cost that $300 and had 50 bhp more for all cars to be used? Certainly not, you'd say it's unfair and what not but in fact the G25 has given you a similar advantage through powershifting. I remember trying it out in time trial, the sequential shifting had no chance against powershifting. The ghost just pulled away with ease. However, shifting with the clutch is still just as fast as sequential shifting, on many cars even faster as VIPERGTSR01 and Threshold say. Now it just takes some more skill and concentration, and causes instant whining.
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Hi mate, I have not seen you on track for ages, how you doing? I think what annoyed a lot of people is the fact they took it away from the game after we all got used to it. 👍
 
GTP_hyperuk
Hi mate, I have not seen you on track for ages, how you doing? I think what annoyed a lot of people is the fact they took it away from the game after we all got used to it. 👍
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I lost interest in GT5P quite badly when the online races were changed to have more of the non-Pro events, and the offline time trialling doesn't allow free running with my own setups. The game engine is very good but the content just doesn't do it for me, I moved back to GT4 as it hasn't given everything it has to give yet. Overall free time has also gone down thanks to longer days at work and trying to keep my own car in running condition.

The only scenario in which I would welcome the power shifting back is the one with damage, if someone wants to drive fast but spend a fortune in rebuilding the drivetrain every 100 km then so be it, I have no problems with it. For now it either has to stay away or include some other small penalty because everyone should have equal chances of driving the car fast. Otherwise there isn't much point in playing the game with a controller or even the non-clutch wheels. Money must not decide the results.
 
I know powershifting feels cool and nobody wants to turn down such a huge advantage, but it has to be said that if PD didn't address the advantage gained from powershifting it would cause big problems for the community later on.

I've seen it happen before in Test Drive Unlimited on the PC, powershifting was rife in that game and the difference in pace between those with manual clutch and auto clutch was VAST. It was so bad that we ended up with a two-tier player base... the haves and the have-nots. I'm not exagerating when I say that a mediocre driver with clutch could completely anihilate an excellent driver using using auto-clutch, it really was that bad. I can pretty much guarentee that if powershifting wasn't addressed there would be a huge split in the community in the end.

The only way I can see it ever being brought back and not causing problems is if they do what greycap suggests in his post, so those using it have to spend and re-earn cash to repair their drivetrain, but even then I'm sure we'll get to a point in GT5 where credits mean nothing and the cost of using the powershifting technique would become inconsequential and then we're back to square one.

I use G25, but I'd rather lose every single race than win because I had an advantage that others in the race didn't have. There is no achievement in winning with a stacked deck.
 
DriifterX
JUst got my G25 yesterday, I havent done the latest update yet so I can still flat shift 100% etc and Ive got to say it seems a shame that the option to flat shift has been removed, driving cars like the Integra Type-R, it loves flat shifts (in real life too lol)!!

Im still using the Japanese version, if I buy the english version and do the latest update ill still be able to use the pre updated version when I put in the Japanese disc??
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Yes mate you can.

I have both versions and it works fine, as I didn't go through the pain of updating my JPN version as well when last update came out. 👍

When the JPN version is loading you just get the option that an update is available and would you like to update.

All the best. gundalini.
 
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Greycap, Maffski, as I said before, the problem wasn't that G25 users had an advantage, it was that controller users were still stuck with the game's default granny shifting. Balancing the playing field is not worth making G25 clutch engagement picky and unintuitive. Adding a clutch button to the controller or speeding up the default shift rate are the solutions any company in their right mind would have considered.
 
I also bought G25 not long ago, just because of the clutch and shifter, to replace my old DFP. I enjoyed the "powershifting" for a short time, before it was ruined by PD. I don't mind, that they did that for online racing, if it was really offering some unfair advantage (I for example NEVER used it, and I'm sure I wasn't the only one ....), but for the love of god, why did they have to do that for drift mode too ... I mean ... PD - get serious ... it feels like you have never seen some serious drifting tecniques.

I agree with people above, that wrote, that it badly affects drifting. You just can't upshift in a corner, that is opening up, and continue drifting. It s.u.c.k.s big time.

If anyone wants to start a petition for PD and remind them to correct that in drift mode, just let me know where to sign.
 
If a clutch button was added, those of us with DFGTs, DFPs, and other non-clutch wheels would be screwed. Sure it would be easy for controller users to adopt a clutch button, but with a non-clutch wheel, access to buttons is kinda difficult. When (if?) mechanical damage is implemented, I would have no problem with power shifting. Except for drifting, it should be there in drift mode.
 
thugbear2005
If a clutch button was added, those of us with DFGTs, DFPs, and other non-clutch wheels would be screwed. Sure it would be easy for controller users to adopt a clutch button, but with a non-clutch wheel, access to buttons is kinda difficult. When (if?) mechanical damage is implemented, I would have no problem with power shifting. Except for drifting, it should be there in drift mode.
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I agree. Is mechanical damage on the horizon?? Id love to smash some WRX gearboxes in that case :P
 

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