DFGT and RWD problems - Need Drifting Tips

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Ok... this is REALLY getting to me but is it possible to use DFGT on a RWD car and not spin every corner?? I got my DFGT for christmas and it works perfectly with the Evo X but any RWD car I just spin, can someone please help me and others having this problem because it's really limiting what cars I can drive and to be honest I don't ever see myself getting used to it.

Now I can drive RWD cars but if the back end starts to drift out no matter what i just spin.

Cheers,.
 
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don't mean to sound annoying, but you just have to practice with it. Get all your braking done before the corner, balance the throttle through it and then open it up on the exit.

Once you get used to it you will never go back to 4WD!
 
I get this with the Madcatz wheel, I have given up on it for a while.

What I did was:

-Start with TCS on level 3 for a few races
-When that is too easy, knock it down to level 2
-When that's too easy, keep it on level 1 for a while - it is a big step from 1 to 0 or at least it was for me
-Then turn the TCS off, and see how you get on. It took me quite a while to get the hang of it, but I could pull decent lap times in the RX-7 on Eiger Nordwand after about an hour


Good luck, I hope this works for you.




Also, try in the options menu, and adjust the steering settings to suit, I believe that there are about 3 steering settings.
 
Practice, without showing a video of what you are doing it is hard to give any concrete advice.

One think I notice people (my nephew) doing is putting in too much steering when the car understeers... he turns in, it understeers so he keeps turning some more thinking it will help but the problem is he cant and doesn't straighten up exiting the corner quick enough and the car (RWD) snaps oversteer when he applies throttle. On high speed corners the car gets very unstable, but In 4WD and FWD cars he gets away with it.
I often drive the track and show him how little steering input is really needed and he gets a suprise.
 
thanks but it's really hard, am only 16 and am from the u.k. so I can't drive til next year but in real life i'd be too scared to have it on full throttle so I woulden't spin or go fast but on a game theres no sense of speed.
 
The important thing is never to lift off the throttle mid corner, always try to have some throttle on as it settles the car. at what point are you spinning? entrance, exit, mid? Or is it when you come onto the throttle?
 
All I can say is to keep your application of throttle really smooth and low until you get on to the straight, start really low and build it up.

try that for a bit.
 
so basicly the reason you build up throttle is to make sure you have no grip in the back wheels so your car donsn't snap back and loose control.

thanks alot JamboGT and everyone else by the way, you've helped :)
 
Well when you go on throttle is transfers load back o the rear wheels, if you go to early the wheels won't grip and start to spin, there will not be as much transfer and the rear will slide.

As well as this as you learn you will find out how much throttle can be applied at that particular corner and when.
 
i've been practicing and the problem is as soon as the back wheels start to side i can't correct it. I can correct it very well on the sixaxis but i can't on the wheel. sorry for being so useless by the way lol.
 
s15specr
am only 16 and am from the u.k. so I can't drive til next year
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This game is a sim, you need licence to handle it! HAHA Just kidding..

Always Start on PRO level, all aids off. It's fastest way to learn

DO not treat pedals as ON and OFF buttons. They have feelings, so treat them with respect (pressure wise ;) )

Umm.. Play with your socks on, not with shoes (if you have not allready)

Just practice bit more. It takes few weeks to break records that you made while using a game-pad.

Look at how fast you enter each turn, and remeber car's potential on each turn, speed and when it looses grip.

When you brake, Then turn, for some cars you need to keep a bit of throttle to maintain the turn and not to spin out. But not to much.

Game has great seance of speed. Only feeling that is missing is WIND in you're hair and G-Forces. Otherwise it's good seance of speed. People complain about it because they got use to drive fast in the game. Just like you drive fast in real life you get use to it.


s15specr
i've been practicing and the problem is as soon as the back wheels start to side i can't correct it. I can correct it very well on the sixaxis but i can't on the wheel. sorry for being so useless by the way lol.
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You will not learn to handle the car in first day. PRACTICE!!!

Hmm, Try to let go of gas, if car continues to fish tail, apply bit more, always remeber to have FAST counter steers.
When you go into a turn, the wheel force feedback makes you move into opposite direction, just hold the wheel tighter and tell it where you wanna go, Do not fallow what wheel wants you to do.
 
thanks but i think counter-steering is my main problem, i can do it really weel on the control but counter-steering on the wheel does nothing at all. once the car has started to side thats it, am going to spin and nothing i do stops me spining. and again thanks for helping.
 
Good point about using socks!

Learning how to catch just takes time I am afraid. it will come though.

When it starts to spin do not lift off the throttle too much is a good start, try not to steer into it too much or you will likely over correct.
 
sorry but i just don't think al ever be able to do it. i've tryed lightly counter steering, full on over countersteering and something in between the two and no matter what it just spins.
 
Is it spinning in the same direction as the corner or is it a "highside" ie is it spinning in the direction of the countersteer?
 
it's spinning in the direction of the corner, this is a problem i never had with the control- on the control it would some times counter-steer spin but only really on racing tyres.
 
Need to see a video of what you are doing, if you are spining in the direction of the corner during mid corner it sounds like you are putting too much steering angle in then getting too hard on the throttle and too slow to correct it (too much steering angle is a major cause of this).


I think you need to learn to control the cars rotation by using the brake and throttle rather than steering, steering guides the car where you want and brake and throttle 'trims' the car to take the racing line you want.

but I am just guessing here as I can't tell exactly what you are doing.



You say you will dont think you could ever do it but give it some time, I am pretty sure you will get better and better.
 
That could be it, actually as the awd will happily understeer that may be why its showing up so much on the RWD cars.
 
i've improved a bit which is good. by the way what practice car do you guys think i should use. Am using the 350z as it his a big engine at front which will reduce oversteer and has just the right amount of power. and am using s1 tyres.
 
Its a good idea using the S1's as they aren't too grippy, the problem you are talking about is one I had a lot when the Japanese demo of GT5P came out, I used to spin the BMW 1 series out of suzuka turn 1 every third lap!

The 350Z is good, either of the BMW's are good for having the car sideways as well.
 
I can't use socks because I lose too much heat fro my feet so I use my bowling shoes which are slick on the bottom and narrow so I don't hit two pedals at once. Of course recently I swapped the clutch and brake pedals on my G25 cause a certain body part was getting....'uncomfortable' cause the pedals are so close together when using two feet. The best advice I can give on the wheel is to never use TCS unless the car is IMPOSSIBLE to drive otherwise and the only car I've raced where its NECESSARY is the Speed 12 in GT4, every other car drives fine without it. Don't go full throttle on an MR car unless the car is centered and pointed straight so you may have to take a late apex for some hairpins in order to get the best exit speed.

Jerome
 
s15specr
i've improved a bit which is good. by the way what practice car do you guys think i should use. Am using the 350z as it his a big engine at front which will reduce oversteer and has just the right amount of power. and am using s1 tyres.
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Yeah It's a good car to start with. 350z seems pretty stable and easy to control when back starts to slide. Hmm. How about try the Cappuccino? Really slow, it's RWD, and good for beginners. Another good one would be TVR speed six, really fast and nimble car to practice with before stepping into super sports cars.

I know the Mustang is really horrid, it has a solid axle in the back which is 13th century technology.. Hmm try that one? Master it, you master them all.
 
personally I wouldn't go for TVR as practice car. BMW 1-series, Capucchino, Lotus Elise '96, Renault Clio V6.. those would be the cars I would use. If there would be a Miata, that would be ideal car for practicing RWD driving techniques.
 
Hey man I used to have the exact problem with you. I spin out a lots but lucky me I got these advices from some other drifter on this forum:
- If you enter the corner at right speed it only requires very minimum turning.
- Only Break/Gas when your wheels are aligned. If you break or gas while your wheels are not aligned the car will slide.
- If you feel like your car is spinning out let go of the gas and wheel and try to catch the wheel to stop the spin. (May require some breaking) Doing this will eventually help you learn the motion of the car and which action is best for the situation.
- And as people always says: "Practice is the key."
- One thing he told me and I think it helped me great deal in learning how to drive: "Never think you "CAN" drive, no one is perfect driver"

The person told me these was Martin. I got alot better in driving then I was before. Driving is a sport in which like any other sport it requires effort to become better. I hope those advices can help you.
 

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