DFGT vs Carrera for GT5 + iRacing

[MuRRe]

So, I'm mainly gonna play GT5 and planning on starting with iRacing if it's fun.
How big of a difference between these too?
I heard that G25/G27 even though a much better wheel doesn't get all it's pontential in GT5 because of the programming whereas the DFGT which is one of the two official wheels for GT5 gets it's full potential.

How is the DFGT on games like Race07 and all the simbin games compared to the Carrera?

Please help me decide.
Is the DFGT a good starter wheel? Is there a HUGE difference between the DFGT and Carrera or can I buy the DFGT and know that it's a good wheel for the money?
This will be MY first wheel ever.
(I have tried the G25 (my brother had one but sold it) and we had some trouble getting good setups in some PC games.)
I need you guys to decide for me.

EDIT: I'm leaning towards the DFGT simply because it was made for GT5 (is that a good reason?).
Works with GT5 out of the box perfectly?
Is there any problem with DFGT and oscillation (correct word?)?

EDIT2: Just realised I shouldn't get the Carrera if I can almost get a good condition G27.

 

[MARC BOLAN]

I just play GT5.
I choose 911 Carrera just because it come with a cheap pedal with clutch & cheap Shifters set.
If you don't play with H-shifter & clutch, go to DFGT.

 

[MuRRe]

I just play GT5.
I choose 911 Carrera just because it come with a cheap pedal with clutch & cheap Shifters set.
If you don't play with H-shifter & clutch, go to DFGT.

Have you tried GT5 with DFGT also?
Anyone who has some input about the difference in FF?

Also, can I play GT5 with the DFGT + CSP?

How about the pedals, are the standard Fanatec superior to the DFGT?

 

[MARC BOLAN]

Have you tried GT5 with DFGT also?
Anyone who has some input about the difference in FF?

Also, can I play GT5 with the DFGT + CSP?

How about the pedals, are the standard Fanatec superior to the DFGT?

I play DFGT with GT5 before, haven't try 911 carrera.
But I certainly sure the FFB signal present in DFGT is better then 911 carrera.
It was because DFGT FFB signal present better than G25/G27 in GT5,
and my friend report that the 911 GT2 FFB event not better than G27.
Some road surface information in GT5 are missing in fanatec wheel,
but the belt drive mechanism(not come with 911 Carrera)make turning feel better.
But as you said, you want a starting wheel.
If you want more complete control,go to 911 carrera with a h-shifter & clutch, plus more you can upgrade to csp & css in future.
If you want more FFB sensation,go to DFGT and can save some money.

for me, brake control more important then wheel sensation in GT5,
in this point, CSP absolutely better then DFGT pedals.
Just my 2 cents.

It seems we can't play DFGT with CSP in GT5.

***I forgot to say,
I'm a mod G27 user,but at this poll between DFGT & 911 carrera ,I choose Fanatec.
I think my comment is fair enough.

 

[Spagetti69]

Huh, I thought you was getting. GT3RS?
Then a G27.
Then a Carrera.
Then a DFGT.

Best thing. Chuck the names in a hat and pulll one out lol.

Sorry the only experience I have is with the G27 and GT2 ( same as GT3 really ).

I have had a DFGT and the wheel was good but I didnt like the pedals. Very similar to the MS pedals.

The truth of the matter is. No matter what wheel you go with there are always pro's and cons.
Even the so called high end wheels come with some form of negatives.

 

[MARC BOLAN]

EDIT2: Just realised I shouldn't get the Carrera if I can almost get a good condition G27.

If you add G27 in this poll,I will choose G27!

 

[MuRRe]

To me then ONLY clear downside with the DFGT are the pedals.
But I don't know.
Might be able to get my hands on a G27 (good condition hopefully) for the same price as a new Carrera.
Why is it supposed to be so hard
But the G27 will still be twice the price.
Got a 20% of registering my G35 headset.
Might use it on the DFGT

 

[Spagetti69]

To me then ONLY clear downside with the DFGT are the pedals.
But I don't know.
Might be able to get my hands on a G27 (good condition hopefully) for the same price as a new Carrera.

He he.

Your like my wife.

 

[MuRRe]

He he.

Your like my wife.

Spagetti your a lurker too .
You are always there answering my questions, thanks.
The thing is this.
I was set on the T500, but all of a sudden I realised, WTF, what happens if I'm not super into it.
The thing, since I'm not a pro simracer, my hope is that the pedals on DFGT won't hurt my lap times to much compared to stock G27 pedals.
I just wanna enjoy GT5 and it feels like DFGT will do this for me.
Sure, the feel is much better in the G27 pedals. FF I don't think the difference is THAT huge.

The whole shifter things isn't to big of an issue either.

 

[Spagetti69]

Go with the DFGT mate. The FF that wheel produces is excellent for the value.

There is some bungie cord/squash ball mod that can improve the resistance of the pedals.

At least you can get to see if your still using a wheel in 6 months and want to upgrade.

Another issue is setting up. Have you got an area you can leave a wheel set up or a decent stand.

I've read of a few people having wheels but decide to use a pad because they can't be bothered setting it up.

 

[MuRRe]

Go with the DFGT mate. The FF that wheel produces is excellent for the value.

There is some bungie cord/squash ball mod that can improve the resistance of the pedals.

At least you can get to see if your still using a wheel in 6 months and want to upgrade.

Another issue is setting up. Have you got an area you can leave a wheel set up or a decent stand.

I've read of a few people having wheels but decide to use a pad because they can't be bothered setting it up.

Well, I'm going for exchange studies this autumn, so an ordinary desk will have to do for those 4 months I guess.
But since I save around 100e NOT getting a G27 I can put those on a Wheel Stand Pro, good idea?

Stand for Logitech G25 = € 125 (shipment included)
Stand for Logitech G25/G27 - DELUXE = € 132 (shipment included)
Stand for Thrustmaster T500RS - DELUXE = € 134 (shipment included)

You think one of those would work?
Maybe a bad idea if switching to Fanatec later?

 

[Spagetti69]

I own 2 WSP.

1 for a MS wheel ( I know the stand cost more than the wheel lol )

1 for a G27.

I upgraded to a GT2 and drilled out my MS stand to accommodate.

Can't remember if the DFGT had mounting screws. I just used the clamps which are excellent.

A word of advice if thinking of upgrading to a G27 later with a WSP.
You might want to order the G27 version of the WSP and adapt your DFGT to fit it
It comes with a shifter mount which you would obviously need at a later date.

 

[MuRRe]

Will probably never upgrade to G27, will probably be a Fanatec wheel since I don't feel modding the brake pedal and also G27 will get more and more outdated.
I will send a mail to wheelstandpro guys/girls hear what's the differences.

 

[Spagetti69]

I expect you to purchase a wheel in the year 2018.

 

[MuRRe]

I expect you to purchase a wheel in the year 2018.

NO, please dont say that
I WILL order the DFGT.

Stand for Thrustmaster T500RS - DELUXE

This model is compatible with the Thrustmaster T500RS wheel. It is bigger and heavier than the stand used for the Logitech G25.

Features include:
- Full metal construction for life-time durability and stability
- Rubber feet to prevent sliding and protect your floor
- Quick release mechanism for rapid adjustment
- Precision build for maximum rigidity and stability
- Hard-mounted pedals support
- Additional plate provided to fix gear shifter (Logitech G25/G27) on either side of the steering wheel
- 5 cm (2 in) wider and 1,5 kg (3 lb) heavier than the Stand for Logitech G25 wheel.
- Also fully compatible with Logitech G25/G27 wheel.

Stand for Logitech G25/G27 - DELUXE

This model is compatible with the Logitech G27 driving wheel. It is bigger and heavier than the stand used for the Logitech G25.

Features include:
- Full metal construction for life-time durability and stability
- Rubber feet to prevent sliding and protect your floor
- Quick release mechanism for rapid adjustment
- Precision build for maximum rigidity and stability
- Hard-mounted pedals support
- Additional plate provided to fix gear shifter on either side of the steering wheel
- 5 cm (2 in) wider and 1,5 kg (3 lb) heavier than the Stand for Logitech G25 wheel.
- Also compatible with Logitech G25 wheel.

Stand for Logitech DFP / GT / EX / FX and Thrustmaster F430

This model is compatible with all Logitech driving wheels (except the G25/G27) and Thrustmaster F430

Features include:
- Full metal construction for life-time durability and stability
- Rubber feet to prevent sliding and protect your floor
- Quick release mechanism for rapid adjustment
- Precision build for maximum rigidity and stability
- Hard-mounted pedals support

Think I will order the T500RS since it supports G27 aswell.

 

[sandboxgod]

I expect you to purchase a wheel in the year 2018.

Lol you're off the hook man but I agree with ya I think it will be awhile before he orders. I still remember his other T500rs thread awhile back then the other T500rs road map thread and now this one. I was almost convinced he would order the T500rs the other day but I imagine that $500 (or whatever that is in pounds) made him take a step back

DFGT has very good FF. I just dont care for the deadzone issue in GT5. You let go of wheel on straights and it wobbles and stuff. It's not super precise (in GT5). Never thought to try in other games tho. Probably works tons better in iRacing. Some folks still stick by the DFGT. (* Note, I tested a used Logitech DFP if that matters, but seen new DFGT owners report samething in GT5 )

I voted for the DFGT tho only because I've used it, etc. Never used the Fanatec but hey it comes with a stick some thats something to think bout. You might can use the wheel settings to eliminate deadzone too

That DFGT is just so cheap though. Remember Logitech DFP works in GT5 too

 

[sandboxgod]

Gonna reply to your post here:

I know, WAY too long.
It's just my brain says 2 things, and my heart 1 = 3 different things, its hard
I have now decided 99% that I will get the DFGT, yeah I know.
Going from the T500RS (but that was just because it's the best) to DFGT might seem strange but I have come to the conclusion that 430 euros is too much to not even know how much I will enjoy it or use it.
I'm gonna go with the DFGT, and if I find it entertaining I will wait untill Fanatec releases their new wheels and then I might reconsider buying a new wheel.

How much will the lap times be hurt by the crappy pedals as an amateur?

About iRacing, yeah I know, tracks costs 11-15 (something) and cars around 11.
But they have some great offers, like pay one month get 2 for "free".
Not seeing myself getting high up in the licenses anytime soon.

1. I think there's a bunch of players using budget wheels and doing well. Sure, more fancy tools may or may not help. That's the key. I've seen some iRacing threads where 1 or 2 dudes had a DFGT, got a T500rs, then returned the T500rs. he claimed the DFGT, being belt driven, relayed more subtle FFB. Granted, I suspect he was just more attached to his DFGT but by all means, I think you can still do well

2. Well I got promoted to Class D already and I pretty much always come in last for every race. I don't even attempt to drive fast. Atm, I'm more concerned about driving clean and not pushing myself beyond my abilities. But by all means, give iRacing a try its an awesome game. 👍

It's just very costly

 

[Puggy]

How much will the lap times be hurt by the crappy pedals as an amateur?

In iracing, between 5-12 secs...IOW, you'll be last and will stay last until the next person tries to use such sim unfriendly pedals.
A G27 has a much, much better wheel rim[leather vs hard plastic], it also has improved paddle shifters[improved over G25]....but the best part are the pedals, their construction, their spring loading and the quite effective carpet grip system{which I use on my DFGT}.

You also have many mod options with G27 pedals, including the very affordable nixim2 mod for the brakes, but there's also ARC and the perfect pedal mod, granted the PP mod is stupidly priced, so you'd generally be better off getting a set of CSP's and have 3 new pedals, one with a load cell, ie, the brake.

No-one in their right mind should EVER recommend a DFGT or any cheap wheel and pedal set without acknowledging the penalty the pedals have in ALL sims, that said, games like GTR Evo/Race0n allow you to turn on driver aids, so you'll be as fast as anyone else in SP mode, but in MP, you'll be slayed by any decent G25/7 driver because of the pedals, both brakes and accelerator.

 

[sandboxgod]

^^^ Meh I think that's blown out of proportion. Plenty of iRacers use DFGT. I ran into a guy in real life the other day that said hes doing really well with some pedals worse than DFGT

Besides, I'm pretty sure you can replace the pedals with CSP

 

[Puggy]

^^^ Meh I think that's blown out of proportion. Plenty of iRacers use DFGT.

They must have a phenomenal skillset, cause I've tried for 18months and can't beat the times I set much earlier, I've also dled and modified set up after set up all to no avail.....so from my POV, the DFGT pedals are a limiting factor in setting the fastest times.

Also, in the Racedepartment G25 thread, people talk about moving from DFP/DFGT/MOMO and no longer having brake lock ups thanks to the superior pedal construction of the G25/27.

Iracing and DFGT....don't make me laugh

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

Don't forget your can use CSP and even CST pedals with the DFGT wheel in Iracing since it's on PC.

 

[Puggy]

Enjoy the hard plastic wheel rim
Start with a G27, your hands and feet will thank you.

 

[Zoom!Zoom!]

I agree with you Puggy I like G27 ( for it's helical gears and paddles) a lot more than DFGT but DFGT isn't a bad wheel. Like all budget wheels it's pedals while get the job done isn't as good as G27 or CSP pedals.

 

[sandboxgod]

Too bad he's not getting a T500RS anymore it's an awesome wheel. Like I told you (Murre) in the other thread; I was gonna buy a DFP (same as DFGT w/o ps3 button) from a friend but after using it for a weekend I immediately returned it and purchased a T500rs instead.

Works way better in GT5. No deadzone issue. It's like driving a real car. Fast return to center, fast speed, ungodly strong FFB in iRacing, etc.

DFGT is more for those casual buyers that goes into a store and just grabs a wheel. These type of people would faint at the price of a more expensive wheel. I know cause that's what my buddy is like

Maybe you should just keep saving up? You know, get a used DFGT, save up for a T500RS + CSP or wait on the Fanatec high end since that had your interest

[edit] Stay tuned btw; I'm going to try modding my T500rs brakes to see if that helps with my ABS-0 driving....

 

[tribolik]

They must have a phenomenal skillset, cause I've tried for 18months and can't beat the times I set much earlier, I've also dled and modified set up after set up all to no avail.....so from my POV, the DFGT pedals are a limiting factor in setting the fastest times.

Also, in the Racedepartment G25 thread, people talk about moving from DFP/DFGT/MOMO and no longer having brake lock ups thanks to the superior pedal construction of the G25/27.

Iracing and DFGT....don't make me laugh

Yeah... Iracing and DFGT thats just plain stupid...



Go ahead laught now... not all of us can afford a frex if that makes you laught good for you - laughing is good for your liver...

The DFGT is one of the best wheels for GT5 (with the exception of the T500RS of course) it has great Force feedback and it is very reliable (I have one for 2 and a half years now and it is like new, never had a problem)... the downside are the pedals but with a bungie cord or a strong rubber band/mod they are ok... big rim - 900 degrees - fully compatible with GT5 and most sims - sequencial stick shifter like most racing cars... and more importante - cheap - and the guy on the video seems to be doing allright -he ends up in first place.

And you can buy a CSP and an adapter and use with the DFGT and still save money vs Carrera and CSP (and the chances of getting a faulty wheel are much lower)

 

[Puggy]

Yeah... Iracing and DFGT thats just plain stupid...


Go ahead laught now...

I'm sure he's using the DFGT pedals as well:tdown:👎
What kind of numpty buys a DFGT knowing the pedals are inferior, when they could buy a G27 and maybe have to add the cheap as chips nixim2 mod?

G27=
Excellent wheel and comfortable leather grip
good to excellent pedals with or without mods
6 speed shifter{modular}

 

[Puggy]

DFGT is more for those casual buyers that goes into a store and just grabs a wheel. These type of people would faint at the price of a more expensive wheel. .

Correct as they don't know the difference a superior product like a G27 will make, especially to sim racing......and maybe it's just me, but my hands hurt due to the hard plastic wheel rim on the DFGT.

The pedals on DFGT/DFP/MOMO/TM430 and the standard Fanatec pedals would most likely inhibit your ability to race at peak speeds.

ISR call the standard G27 pedal set excellent, and consider the nixim2 modded brake pedal virtually as good as a set of CSP.

 

[Puggy]

Btw, GT5 isn't a true sim....it might have a good driving model, but no serious sim racer considers GT5 a sim, no matter how much content it has.

 

[tribolik]

I'm sure he's using the DFGT pedals as well:tdown:👎
What kind of numpty buys a DFGT knowing the pedals are inferior, when they could buy a G27 and maybe have to add the cheap as chips nixim2 mod?

G27=
Excellent wheel and comfortable leather grip
good to excellent pedals with or without mods
6 speed shifter{modular}

The kind of a numpy (whatever that means) like me that cant afford to spend 3 times as much on a toy and knows that the g27 has half the FFB strength when playing GT5... by the way I though he was talking about the DFGT vs the Fanatec...

I would of course buy a G27 if I could it is a great wheel and a T500RS... but rather wait for the new fanatec wheel reviews (the new forza 4 wheel) and price range to be honnest

 

[Puggy]

The kind of a numpy (whatever that means) like me that cant afford to spend 3 times as much on a toy

Then don't foolishly try and contradict me or anyone advocating good quality gear.
If you don't have the money, go and wash some cars round the neighborhood, but don't mock superior products just cause you don't have the cash or don't deem it of value......if you want to go supa fast in sims{no driver aids} you need good pedals, and the G27 has the benefit of having a comfortable wheel rim and proper paddle shifters as well.