DFGT vs Carrera for GT5 + iRacing

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DFGT vs 911 Carrera in GT5/iRacing/Simbin

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Puggy
Then don't foolishly try and contradict me or anyone advocating good quality gear.
If you don't have the money, go and wash some cars round the neighborhood, but don't mock superior products just cause you don't have the cash or don't deem it of value......if you want to go supa fast in sims{no driver aids} you need good pedals, and the G27 has the benefit of having a comfortable wheel rim and proper paddle shifters as well.
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First of all you dont need to offend me to proove whatever you want to proove... Im a 38 year old architect and I dont need to wash any car (not even my own) to make a living... Im not mocking anyone or anything quite the opposite you are the one moking people that use the DFGT... I on the other hand am just trying to help him decide on a good set up without spending much money... If I dont have an expensive wheel is because I have other interests in life besides playing games with expensive gear... not that I see any wrong in it, quite the opposite but Im not rich, at least not yet :lol:...

Second why are you bringing «GT5 isnt a Sim» offtopic into this thread when the OP stated that he wanted the wheel also for GT5? for your info I dont even like GT5 all that much ... but you would be suprised with how well it simulates some things



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And third theres no need for the double posts - actualy its a infraction to the AUP

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Im off to bed my wife is calling :lol:
 
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tribolik
Second why are you bringing «GT5 isnt a Sim» offtopic into this thread when the OP stated that he wanted the wheel also for GT5?
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Because he's also keen on iracing and simbin, both of which run without aids in MP, and you've also got the superior wheel with paddles and leather for comfort.
 
Puggy, you seem to be going off-topic which most of us could care less about (GT5 vs PC sims).

Fact is DFGT users do fine in iRacing. Many prefer the wheel and they choose it over more expensive options (even when they could afford more expensive options). If you have a problem with that, go talk smack to them on iRacing boards
 
Puggy
What do they do about the pedals?
Btw, I'm just expressing my opinion, so don't go all dictatorial on me okay...:sick:
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The guy said he may not even continue to use a wheel and doesn't want to waste too much money.

And I don't believe a 12 second difference.
Sure he would be more consistent with CSP and therefor quicker.

Very much doubt by 12 seconds though.
 
Puggy
IMO, only kids should buy DFGT's for arcade racing.
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I find it funny you are criticizing the DFGT so much and insulting yourself personally as you bought a DFGT over the other wheels. Why did you buy such a wheel and not get a G27? Have you even bought the G27 yet?

About your 12 second claim, I would say it is a maximum loss of say around 4 seconds if you are not very good with the pedals or difference could be negligible if you are very very good with them. I think you will be in for a shock if you haven't got a G27 already that your lap times don't improve by 5-12 seconds straight away just through having better pedals.

About GT5 not being a sim, the question is iRacing a sim?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxzyaka5WSw&feature=related
This is a bit childish I know but couldn't help myself.
 
saidur_ali
I find it funny you are criticizing the DFGT so much and insulting yourself personally as you bought a DFGT over the other wheels. Why did you buy such a wheel and not get a G27? Have you even bought the G27 yet?
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I'll be buying a G27 as soon as my house is sold.
I chose a DFGT because people didn't warn me about the pedals being such an impediment to my lap times, and I'll go faster on the G27 as long as the brakes don't lock up all the time.

I'm more of a simbin fan than a iracing fan FYI.
I don't have a PS3, but if I did, I'd certainly own GT5, but it's not the only game in town, and it's a shame that more people don't buy HQ wheels to use with sims like the simbin range{the GT5 of PC sims}.
 
Puggy
I'll be buying a G27 as soon as my house is sold.
I chose a DFGT because people didn't warn me about the pedals being such an impediment to my lap times, and I'll go faster on the G27 as long as the brakes don't lock up all the time.

I'm more of a simbin fan than a iracing fan FYI.
I don't have a PS3, but if I did, I'd certainly own GT5, but it's not the only game in town, and it's a shame that more people don't buy HQ wheels to use with sims like the simbin range{the GT5 of PC sims}.
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Why do people have to warn you about pedals being not that good? You only have to watch / read one review and you will know about the pedals straight away.

The DFGT is a high quality wheel, good enough to top leaderboards in GT5 and good enough to do top times on PC sims too even with pedals given it is in the right hands and feet of the top "alien" sim racers out there.

Anyway, the GT5 flying overtake reminded of 2 Fast 2 Furious when the Skyline jumped the Supra, so the video you posted is somewhat realistic but obviously not very common. In a game you can just do stunts without worry about killing someone so it is more possible to do. Also your previous posts made it sound like you have played / owned GT5, so I have learnt something new today then.
 
Thanks for all the info, it's awesome with so much input.

@Puggy
You said you were 12 seconds faster, with what wheel (you don't own a G27 yet)?


Also, thanks for all the input from all of you, I would ask you though to not "fight" over this because that is not what I wanted.

I was SO freaking close buying a T500. But after watching the interview with Mr T :D I kinda felt like I wanna wait and see what it brings.
Cause if I'm gonna spend 400+ euros I'm gonna be stuck with that wheel for quite some time (also my girlfriend said something about "You could wait for christmas...", don't know exactly what she meant by that :D ).
 
lol so now we will have to wait for Christmas for the inevitable "CSR Elite vs T500RS" thread

(What is point of this thread we all know you not going to order either the DFGT or Carrera)
 
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Puggy
I'll be buying a G27 as soon as my house is sold.
I chose a DFGT because people didn't warn me about the pedals being such an impediment to my lap times, and I'll go faster on the G27 as long as the brakes don't lock up all the time.

I'm more of a simbin fan than a iracing fan FYI.
I don't have a PS3, but if I did, I'd certainly own GT5, but it's not the only game in town, and it's a shame that more people don't buy HQ wheels to use with sims like the simbin range{the GT5 of PC sims}.
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you should give GT5 a try than and get that PS3. I play the console sims due to the sheer content and variety. And I find racing online in them is casual and care free. Plus the graphics tend to look better (I refer to console racing games along with the PC ports of them)

The PC sims are really great and powerful. Especially rFactor and simbin titles due to the sheer variety of mods. I want to say the PC sims have more much more content due to that. And they have access to all the good hardware. Their only problem is the outdated graphics. iRacing is the better looking out all of them pretty much. Hoping iRacing 2.0 will bring more graphics

Too bad- I dont think the OP will be buying a wheel ever but hopefully this helps others if they are thinking of crossing over. nogripracing & racingdepartment are your resources for PC sim racing

I still find the PC sims ironically lack some details that console racers have. like FM3 has the detailed livery editor. PC racing titles lack that wholesale. GT5 has at least some basic pitcrew animations. All the PC sims lack that which is a bloody shame.

They all appear to be missing little details. I want to take Shift 2 PC + rFactor + GT5 + Forza livery editor and then we will have a complete sim
 
I'm usually like this, not all the time but with this there is no ULTIMATE one wheel that is best at everything.
I found a DFGT + what I think is a Rennsport Wheelstand on a auction site.
I have made a bid, hope I win.
Wish me luck
 
saidur_ali
Why do people have to warn you about pedals being not that good?
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Because the numpties ingame via text chat were telling me to get a DFGT, I wrongly assumed they'd know better{PC sims}

and good enough to do top times on PC sims too even with pedals given it is in the right hands and feet of the top "alien" sim racers out there.
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IMO, based on how hypersensitive my pedals are, I simply don't believe that....I believe they may have used the wheel, but added 3rd party pedals.
 
sandboxgod
Their only problem is the outdated graphics. iRacing is the better looking out all of them pretty much. Hoping iRacing 2.0 will bring more graphics
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I didn't like the look of iracing1, maybe 2 will be better, but 1 seemed devoid of life, just stark and clear.
I'll take outdated GFX and a top notch driving model over GFX anyday, that said, "if" I had a PS3, yes I'd also have GT5.

Anyway, ole mate will learn just as I did, that without good pedals, you aren't going to trouble a good G25/27/CSP/T500 driver....he'll be eating their dust.
 
Triple post champ always right... too bad I gave him that answer one page ago... wait for the new fanatecs
 
I must say... I just modded my T500rs brake pedals this weekend using the Realistic brake mod included in the box. Idk why I didnt do this before!

Let's just say I'm no longer interested in ordering CSP / PP. my lap times with ABS-0 has vastly improved. 👍

I'd highly recommend going with T500RS + Realistic Brake Mod (using max resist setting).

I'm changing my stance on brake pedals. Get some really good brakes with strong resistance. These T500rs pedals are so easy to mod with strong brakes.

For iRacing great pedals are essential since its mandatory no driving aids til iRacing 2.0. Only then will they let rookies use driving aids
 
Puggy
I'd say easy victory to Fanatec.....better paddle shifters and CSP.....race over!!
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If it were that simple- they would've already won over iRacing community. Let's just say you should sub for a bit and read all the colorful words they have for Fanatec there.

Recall, the OP asked about iRacing. At iRacing, T500RS is your mid tier wheel. People recommend using the Realistic brake mod that's where i got the idea from. However, people that already had CSPs did keep those.

Seriously, a new CS wheel is nothing new to iRacing where they have access to CST / FREX / ECCI and the new upcoming Bodnar wheels, etc.

I'm going to wait and see what the iRacing community have to say before I make any assumptions. If they say they use the new Clubsport wheel and say their lap times were greatly reduced then hell I'll order it too. But I have my reservations cause really they already have tested T500RS against FREX / ECCI and still recommend t500rs. No one is saying T500rs was better per se but they said its for sure in that ball park. I expect the same for the new CS wheel, it will be in the ballpark until I read otherwise from multiple users

CST is your #1 brakes for PC from what I've read. But they are $500

FREX / ECCI are your top echelon, but they go for 2k+ or something. So really, will CS wheels be better than those for a fraction of cost? Bottom line all I care bout is my lap times really.
 
Update:
Found a used DFGT for 700 SEK (compared to 2000 sek for used G27).
Gonna call the guy up tomorrow.
Again, wish me luck :D
 
sandboxgod
good luck! :D

(Not sure what that is in US Currency though!)
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Straight conversion it's around 100 dollars.
Do mind do that a new DFGT here in Sweden is around 1100 SEK.
I just wanted to say that I don't think I wanna pay 3 times as much for a G27 when in the end I want a T500RS (hoping for Christmas present from GF)
 
Putting wheel performance aside, i'd recommend going with Logitech for the better customer service. Fanatec are a relatively small company and have had issues with customer service in the past.

Then it depends on what you feel you will do with the wheel. I was unsure whether I would use it for serious online competition (Beyond GTAcademy), so I bought a G27 as it's capable of sim racing with it's decent pedals but still cheap enough to justify the cost as a toy for GT5. A DFGT + CSP would be a good match up if you can get it for cheaper, though I think you need an adaptor.

Or, wait until the G27 goes out of production in a couple of years and the price will fall as places clear out old stock, as happened with the G25 a couple of years back, where you could easily pick one up for £130, less than twice the cost of a DFGT.
 
Seismica
Putting wheel performance aside, i'd recommend going with Logitech for the better customer service. Fanatec are a relatively small company and have had issues with customer service in the past.

Then it depends on what you feel you will do with the wheel. I was unsure whether I would use it for serious online competition (Beyond GTAcademy), so I bought a G27 as it's capable of sim racing with it's decent pedals but still cheap enough to justify the cost as a toy for GT5. A DFGT + CSP would be a good match up if you can get it for cheaper, though I think you need an adaptor.

Or, wait until the G27 goes out of production in a couple of years and the price will fall as places clear out old stock, as happened with the G25 a couple of years back, where you could easily pick one up for £130, less than twice the cost of a DFGT.
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Actually here in Sweden the few stores that have them they are MORE expensive than a G27 :crazy:
 

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