DFGT vs Carrera for GT5 + iRacing

[tribolik]

I dont know where you are buying your DFGTs but I bought mine new for 100 euros plus shipping and one week after I ordered mine I found a store here in Portugal with DFGTs for sale (New) for 80 Euros... I bought mine from Pixmania.com (france) and the total cost was about 110 euros (new)

http://www.pixmania.se/spel-ratt-driving-force-gt-for/sese2049496_jvart.html

Maybe its just me but I wouldnt buy a wheel second hand just to save 20 or 30 euros

 

[Seismica]

Actually here in Sweden the few stores that have them they are MORE expensive than a G27

The G25 or the DFGT? Yeah the G25 is now as they are so scarce. I meant after they announce the new model, the price of the current model goes down otherwise people would simply wait for the new release. After the G27 was announced the G25 prices hit the floor.

But it may be a few years before the G27 is replaced, so maybe that's not the best option

 

[MuRRe]

How much less should I pay for a G25?
There's an auction for one.
If I can get a G27 for 2000 (SEK) how much less for a G25?
ANYTHING that is better on the G25?

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Because the numpties ingame via text chat were telling me to get a DFGT, I wrongly assumed they'd know better{PC sims}



IMO, based on how hypersensitive my pedals are, I simply don't believe that....I believe they may have used the wheel, but added 3rd party pedals.

So you bought a wheel straight without looking at reviews or other opinions from say discussion boards like this one. Surely the price tag also would have given it away compared to other Logitech wheels out there. I think personally you are the numpty in this, the people in-game were simply recommending a good entry level wheel. What were you using to play the PC sim then, if you never had a DFGT then? Keyboard?

You are probably right in that they use 3rd party pedals as I have heard quite a few do that on PC with the DFGT but on the PS3, you can't do that. There are no permanent no assists only leaderboards in the games I play on the PS3, so I don't have any problem, but people can be extremely fast and good with just a gamepad so I don't think the pedals are costing you that many seconds. Even driving an F1 car using a keyboard on rFactor doesn't cost me that many seconds over a wheel if using assists than you claim the difference between having better pedals for no assists.

How much less should I pay for a G25?
There's an auction for one.
If I can get a G27 for 2000 (SEK) how much less for a G25?
ANYTHING that is better on the G25?

I think the G25 has sequential shifting over the G27 but the G27 has the shift lights and helical gears. I think the G25 usually goes as much as a G27, so it might be just best to get a new DFGT if it is going to be your first wheel. What if you don't get on with driving with a wheel, you may feel you wasted your money. If you do like it then you could upgrade say Christmas time to a T500 RS if your girlfriend is that kind to buy you one then. Better make a choice as you keep on changing your mind on which wheel to get and at this rate, it could be 2012 soon .

 

[Seismica]

How much less should I pay for a G25?
There's an auction for one.
If I can get a G27 for 2000 (SEK) how much less for a G25?
ANYTHING that is better on the G25?

I wouldn't go for a G25. Their rarity means they're the same price if not more than a G27 if they're in good condition. I personally wouldn't go for a wheel second hand, but that's up to you, if you manage to find one cheaper. I probably wouldn't pay more than 1600-1700 (SEK).

 

[MuRRe]

Ok guys!
It took me 7 months
I have JUST ordered a DFGT directly from Logitech.
Thanks for all the help, to all you who told me not to, well I will have to eat it up if it sucks.

EDIT: I'm not lying believe it or not.

EDIT2: And now you are supposed to be like "WOW, awesome man that you made that decision, it's a great wheel"

 

[tribolik]

You did the right thing buying one new and you wont regret it... best buy for the value... and you can always mod the pedals with some rubber bands or bungie cord to make them feel stronger

And if it is mainly for GT5 you definitly did the right thing... just browse this sub forum and you will find a few G27 owners that bought DFGTs because of the weak FFB of the G27 on GT5... thought they are trying to get their G27 pedals to work with the DFGT

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Ok guys!
It took me 7 months
I have JUST ordered a DFGT directly from Logitech.
Thanks for all the help, to all you who told me not to, well I will have to eat it up if it sucks.

EDIT: I'm not lying believe it or not.

EDIT2: And now you are supposed to be like "WOW, awesome man that you made that decision, it's a great wheel"

Wow, I only mentioned less than an hour ago for you to just buy a new DFGT. I thought this was maybe going to drag on for a few weeks more but you have suprised me with this response.

By the way the wheel is good enough for the current F1 world champion to use, it should be good enough for most of us. Well it is good enough for me anyway. My main annoyance is the noise and wheel turning speed which makes it hard to drift with. Brake and Accelerator pedal should have had a touch more resistance which would have made it an even better entry level wheel set.

 

[Puggy]

FREX / ECCI are your top echelon, but they go for 2k+ or something. So really, will CS wheels be better than those for a fraction of cost? Bottom line all I care bout is my lap times really.

I exclude anything over the CSRe wheel and pedal set as that's my limit, ie, I don't see the point in spending more than that, also, I suspect the Fanatec stuff will have compatibility similar to logitech....now that's just me, others are welcome to spend as much as they want, but I'd never spend 2k on a wheel and pedal unless I knew I could get at least 7 yrs out of it, not to mention CST's must be simrig mounted.

As I said, the G27 really is a step up from any of the cheapie wheels as it has

comfortable wheel grip
proper paddle shifters
modular 6speed shifter
900deg rotation
good base pedal set+ cheap and easy brake mods+ the option of adding CSP{PC}

In many ways, that's a lot right there, and if Ray Alfala and Gregor Hutto use a DFGT+CSP or whatever, it should be obvious that you don't really need a FREX, you need an okay wheel and some decent PEDALS

The thing about the G27 is it's good to go, you can arcade or sim race for a relatively small amount of money.
In 2 weeks I'll know if my buyers finance has been approved, and then 30days later I'll have a G27 and more than likely nixim2 mod......but, I'd be prepared to buy the CSRe package only if I was convinced it was faster, not just different.

 

[Puggy]

So you bought a wheel straight without looking at reviews or other opinions from say discussion boards like this one..

I was GTR Evo MP racing against fast moto****ers{I was using xbox pad}, and they told me to get a DFP/DFGT....I had the evidence right in front of me, ie, they were heaps faster, so I just assumed any ole wheel would do.....had I know of the brake and throttle sensitivity, I "might" have bought a G27, bare in mind there was a $300AUD price diff at the time, so perhaps I would've went DFGT no matter what info I was feed.

Point is, you get a lot more than just extra speed out of G27's or the better Fanatec/T500.....but T500 is out for me as it's too big in the motor and pedal set, I'd have no room to place it under my PC desk as I've got a fat sub down there.

 

[Seismica]

Last I checked, the Logitech web store have pretty big markups. Should've went through Amazon or Play or something, it would have likely been a little bit cheaper. Though, this depends where you are from. I'm not talking much, but in the UK at least, the DFGT is £129 at Logitech, when the RRP (Set by Logitech themselves) is £79.99 Or at least, it was before GT5 came out. Argos in the UK has them new for £85, a whole £44 cheaper.

 

[sandboxgod]

Ok guys!
It took me 7 months
I have JUST ordered a DFGT directly from Logitech.
Thanks for all the help, to all you who told me not to, well I will have to eat it up if it sucks.

EDIT: I'm not lying believe it or not.

EDIT2: And now you are supposed to be like "WOW, awesome man that you made that decision, it's a great wheel"

Yay!!!

If you can find a wheel to make you happy for less money I'm all for it. Those things are rock solid. My friend had his for many years (well the DFP!)

I tried to buy it from him but he insisted on like $100 for it which was a bit much for a 3yr old wheel

 

[sandboxgod]

I exclude anything over the CSRe wheel and pedal set as that's my limit, ie, I don't see the point in spending more than that, also, I suspect the Fanatec stuff will have compatibility similar to logitech....now that's just me, others are welcome to spend as much as they want, but I'd never spend 2k on a wheel and pedal unless I knew I could get at least 7 yrs out of it, not to mention CST's must be simrig mounted.

As I said, the G27 really is a step up from any of the cheapie wheels as it has

comfortable wheel grip
proper paddle shifters
modular 6speed shifter
900deg rotation
good base pedal set+ cheap and easy brake mods+ the option of adding CSP{PC}

In many ways, that's a lot right there, and if Ray Alfala and Gregor Hutto use a DFGT+CSP or whatever, it should be obvious that you don't really need a FREX, you need an okay wheel and some decent PEDALS

The thing about the G27 is it's good to go, you can arcade or sim race for a relatively small amount of money.
In 2 weeks I'll know if my buyers finance has been approved, and then 30days later I'll have a G27 and more than likely nixim2 mod......but, I'd be prepared to buy the CSRe package only if I was convinced it was faster, not just different.

Let us know how that works out for ya. What I like bout those Logitech G25/G27 wheels they can be updated all sorts of crazy ways. And everytime i see any sort of vid (like iRacing TV) they are just using logitechs and the pro racers using them have nothing bad to say. So thats probably all a man (or woman) needs. 👍

I was also in the market for one a few months back but they were out of stock all over and going for crazy markups

 

[Puggy]

So thats probably all a man (or woman) needs. 👍
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I think it's like HDTV's....it's very difficult to talk someone into buying a big TV straight up, they first have to literally waste money on a 40-42in before it dawns on them that what people are saying about the bigger/better/expensive TV is true.

 

[MARC BOLAN]

I must say... I just modded my T500rs brake pedals this weekend using the Realistic brake mod included in the box. Idk why I didnt do this before!

Let's just say I'm no longer interested in ordering CSP / PP. my lap times with ABS-0 has vastly improved. 👍

I'd highly recommend going with T500RS + Realistic Brake Mod (using max resist setting).

The Max resist setting on T500RS brake pedal is better then original,
I don't know the different if compare with CSP,but if compare with pp,
it's still not good enough for me.
The stepping feeling is good,but I felt a little bit delay on the T's pedal,
especially when I release the brake, so I can't control the brake accurately,
Maybe need time to get used to it.

 

[theofilosz]

Ok guys!
It took me 7 months
I have JUST ordered a DFGT directly from Logitech.
Thanks for all the help, to all you who told me not to, well I will have to eat it up if it sucks.

EDIT: I'm not lying believe it or not.

EDIT2: And now you are supposed to be like "WOW, awesome man that you made that decision, it's a great wheel"

For 80 euro more you could get a brand new G27 . Sorry but I had DFGT and it's no comparison with a G27 AT ALL. Check my new thread for info!

 

[MuRRe]

For 80 euro more you could get a brand new G27 . Sorry but I had DFGT and it's no comparison with a G27 AT ALL. Check my new thread for info!

Show me where I can get a a G27 for 180 euro's please...

 

[MuRRe]

Last I checked, the Logitech web store have pretty big markups. Should've went through Amazon or Play or something, it would have likely been a little bit cheaper. Though, this depends where you are from. I'm not talking much, but in the UK at least, the DFGT is £129 at Logitech, when the RRP (Set by Logitech themselves) is £79.99 Or at least, it was before GT5 came out. Argos in the UK has them new for £85, a whole £44 cheaper.

It was as cheap as the cheapest store here in Sweden (including the 20% off).
1039 SEK (the cheapest store I would actually order from was 1 049 SEK).
Seems it's the best to buy it directly from Logitech... no? (BTW 1039 SEK is 99GBP, if I would have bought from UK I would have to pay for shipping as well).

 

[theofilosz]

Show me where I can get a a G27 for 180 euro's please...

Logitech sells for 150 euro in their website. 150+80=230 euro

http://www.ebw.gr/el-GR/Product/687...Wheel-Τιμόνι-ποδομοχλοί-και-λεβιές-αλλαγής-τα

I got mine from here brand new for 229 euro! It's in Greece but I believe there can be another dealer closer to you with such great price?

 

[MuRRe]

Logitech sells for 150 euro in their website. 150+80=230 euro

http://www.ebw.gr/el-GR/Product/687...Wheel-Τιμόνι-ποδομοχλοί-και-λεβιές-αλλαγής-τα

I got mine from here brand new for 229 euro! It's in Greece but I believe there can be another dealer closer to you with such great price?

Here in Sweden from Logitech website it's 2999 SEK, with 20% that makes it 2400SEK.
Don't know where you are pulling your fantasy numbers from.
Also I didn't pay 150 Euro, I paid 110 Euros.

 

[theofilosz]

How can it be fantasy? i just showed you the link?

 

[MuRRe]

How can it be fantasy? i just showed you the link?

Well, i didn't pay 150 euros for the DFGT.
I paid 110 euros.

 

[theofilosz]

Well, i didn't pay 150 euros for the DFGT.
I paid 110 euros.

OK than but on the logitech website its for 150 euro. At least for my country.

 

[Puggy]

My view is that after owning a DFGT, the margin between it and G27 "shouldn't" be a factor as you get so much more for your money, especially if you're going to sim race.
Netkapro was undriveable under brakes, and Iracing wasn't much better.

 

[MuRRe]

My DFGT JUST arrived.
Ordered tuesday night.
Gotta go to work in 15 mins though .
Gonna report back this weekend.

 

[MuRRe]

The wheel isn't working in PS3.
I set the controller to 1.
What more do I have to do?
The buttons work, the pedals register in game, but NO FF.
Nothing happens when I turn the wheel

EDIT: LOL, forget the power cable.
Damn this is hard.

 

[Spagetti69]

Apparently you will be smashing your times within 15 minutes of playing lol.

No really it takes time to get accustomed when you first ever use a wheel.

Have fun mate.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Apparently you will be smashing your times within 15 minutes of playing lol.

No really it takes time to get accustomed when you first ever use a wheel.

Have fun mate.

I was doing it within about 5 minutes .

If you want inspiration MuRRe, then look no further than to this person - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=154480

He managed to Gold all the Vettel X challenges in 12 hours without ever using a wheel before. It took me about 5 hours and I had been using a wheel for 11 months when I completed that challenge. I know the car feels like it is glued to the road but it is very impressive still.

 

[MuRRe]

Apparently you will be smashing your times within 15 minutes of playing lol.

No really it takes time to get accustomed when you first ever use a wheel.

Have fun mate.

I was doing it within about 5 minutes .

If you want inspiration MuRRe, then look no further than to this person - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=154480

He managed to Gold all the Vettel X challenges in 12 hours without ever using a wheel before. It took me about 5 hours and I had been using a wheel for 11 months when I completed that challenge. I know the car feels like it is glued to the road but it is very impressive still.

I had a REALLY hard time the first 10 minutes this morning.
Was running time trail GTR 07 on Nürburgring.
Gonna play some more now.

What's your take on AT vs MT?
I'm having a REALLY hard time with MT.
Stupid to begin without it?


EDIT:
DFGT 110 euros
Smile on my face, PRICELESS

Took my Viper SRT10 out for a spin again on the Nürgburgring (don't know which championship it was).
I was at last spot alomst the whole race, BUT it didn't matter.
it was FUN.

Edit2:
Oscillation with the X2010, any fix?