DFP - even better than Driving Force, pretty different, too

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It takes time to get used to it after DF, but not more than a day or so.

Before you get used to it, you might write pessimistic things like this:

I kind of could not resist. I hear DFP DFP DFP on all forums, like it is the best thing in the world. I already have Driving Force. I enjoyed playing GT4 with it. I was desperately looking for some comparison / ppl only mention DFP but only one guy said somewhere - DFP is better than DF, but not Much better.

I would not mind spending something on what is better only by a bit. But this steering wheel makes no sense to me. 900 degree means that you have to cross your hands and when you exit the turn, you have no idea where you are pointing the wheels, so I usually leave the track immediately. It seems this 900 degree idea for a PSX wheel is great idea, but it does not work with me. I have no idea how much I should turn, there is no hint.

Now I see why this guy who owns it doesn't like rally. DFP is probably useless for it.

I just don't know what the heck do ppl see on this wheel. YOU just turn more, that's it. But in fast race cars you don't turn 900 degree. So it does not even simulate that.

I don't know what to do. The shop where I bought it does not take things back.

ANyone wants to buy it from me?

Awfully upset.

The only thing that is wrong with my old DF is that it vibrates too much on Mulsanne.

Oh well. Nobody warned me, but ppl gave me hints - it turns slowly , and it doesn't like to turn...

My old DF is a gem and I didnt' appreciate it, now I am crying... sorry, baby...
 
This thread will soon be closed, but before it is, I'd just like to say that I borrowed a friend's DFP for two evenings, and came to the same conclusions you have.
 
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Oh man this is classic! I'm sorry.

I always thought this was pointless...

1. because I already got a wheel (DF)
2. I don't play GT that much.
 
Thank god I came across this thread. My old wheel broke and I was thinking about purchasing the DFP but now it seems its over-hyped. So are you guys kinda saying you prefer 200 degree wheels to 900 degree wheels? I haven't tried the DFP (obviously).
 
I just bought a DFP, I had a Madcatz before, best buy of my life.

Force feedback is AWESOME, the control over the car is precise, you just can't drive.
 
romanryunin
I would not mind spending something on what is better only by a bit. But this steering wheel makes no sense to me. 900 degree means that you have to cross your hands and when you exit the turn, you have no idea where you are pointing the wheels, so I usually leave the track immediately. It seems this 900 degree idea for a PSX wheel is great idea, but it does not work with me. I have no idea how much I should turn, there is no hint.
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If you have to cross your hands on any corner of GT4 using a DFP, maybe the problem is no the wheel... 💡
 
Don Luigi
Thank god I came across this thread. My old wheel broke and I was thinking about purchasing the DFP but now it seems its over-hyped. So are you guys kinda saying you prefer 200 degree wheels to 900 degree wheels? I haven't tried the DFP (obviously).
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:dopey: I suppose you could rip out your car steering wheel instead? Might be cheaper? ok.. maybe not.

Oh, if your a Drifter you might need it to turn bettah. :rolleyes:
 
Why should this thread be closed? Is there somewhere any critical or confusion about DFP? Should I look for it in the endless, vast, thread on DFP? I have my own point and some ppl are happy I warn them. nobody warned me and I wasted my money.

if you think DFP is so great, you should have some specific explanation. Especially explain how you learn to turn it twice around. It is natural in RL but you probably have to somehow learn it with this wheel, but it is far from natural.

I am an idiot, because I have no idea where the wheels are when exiting a turn. So this wheel does exactly what a sports car wheel does in RL - you have about 5 percent of feedback that you would get from a real car wheel. Without this ff I have no idea where I am pointing the car as I have no idea how much I am turning at that specific moment. Hence I am an idiot, but I think idiots are ppl who have no argumenta other than arrogance.
 
I can usually get around the track just fine without having to turn more than 3/4 lock, and that is usualy just for the really light 15 MPH hairpins at Cote d Azur. Anything more than that and you'll just understeer right off the track anyways. It seems like I cant drive quite as fast as I could with the regular controller, but I could be wrong. I find it pretty fun to drive with the wheel. More challenge...Im unsure of its performance on GT4 but I really enjoy it on my other game I play on PC.

BTW Roman, there is rarely the need to turn twice around unless making a very tight u-turn or trying to get back on track after being spun completely around.
 
Who's talking in an arrogance manner?

Stop creating fuzz when there's none to be created.

This is one of the best rated wheels on the market, and you say it sucks?

Take a driving lesson with your dad in a REAL car, then take out the DFP and another wheel, and compare.

I won't even argue anymore, this is pointless.
 
WHAT??

The DFP is great i have 100% and i NEVER had to turn the wheel full lock, this guys is an idiot you should not cross hands :P

so much more fun with a DFP, but hey we all have our own opions.
 
Let's stop spitting blood and somebody tell me HOW you use the wheel. I have been using wheels for 7 years. I have had MOMO force for four years, no problems. Driving Force is great, precise, just cheap looking. IO got this wheel because ppl kept saying wonderful, great, fantastic, but nobody can explain WTF is so fantasstic about it.

It has more solid build, it looks better, but I just have no idea what to do with this 900 turning.

But yes, I admit, you can get USED to it, but that may take some time. But the first impression, compared to DF is awful.

Unless ppl explain specifically how they learned to manipulate it, OK< i don't have to cross my hands, but still I fight the wheel rather than steer it. DF I just steer without a problem. ANd I doubt you steer THAT much like 900 degree in modern race cars like in LE MANs.
 
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Who's talking in an arrogance manner?

Stop creating fuzz when there's none to be created.

This is one of the best rated wheels on the market, and you say it sucks?

Take a driving lesson with your dad in a REAL car, then take out the DFP and another wheel, and compare.

I won't even argue anymore, this is pointless.
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OMFG that was hilarious, that isn't driving lessons... try something like Skip barber and get back to me. BTW, a game is a game... DFP or not it isn't going to be the same as real life.
 
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OMFG that was hilarious, that isn't driving lessons... try something like Skip barber and get back to me. BTW, a game is a game... DFP or not it isn't going to be the same as real life.
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Well, it seems he can't drive, I don't recommend a skip barber racing training for now:p
 
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Well, it seems he can't drive, I don't recommend a skip barber racing training for now:p
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I recommend that **** for everyone. We'd all be that much safer on the road if we did. Not this cracker jack **** the goverment calls a driving test to get your license. That's a ****ing hilarious ass joke.
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900-degree steering is absolutely necessary if you really want the full, immersive, ultra-realistic, totally-simulated experience of parallel parking.
 
Listen, as of now, I feel awful. I know how to drive rreal cars and never ever have to worry in my real car, how much I should turn the wheel when taking a tight turn.

With all my FF wheels, I had never any problems as to find the right degree of steering.

It is problem with this wheel and it might be so REVOLUTIONARY< that I have to get used to it.

I definitely believe you can LEARN to use this wheel, but see no connection between ability to drive with a real wheel and drive with THIS wheel. Crossing hands or not.

Still you must admit that superfast race cars dont' turn their wheels as much as to make the driver change the position of hands.

I still hope I will get used to it. I just believed buying this wheel will be like swithing from fun I had with my DF to super fun. DIdnt happen.
 
romanryunin
ANd I doubt you steer THAT much like 900 degree in modern race cars like in LE MANs.
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You do realize that using the full 2.5 turns lock to lock is not nesccary to navigate most of the tracks, right?
 
kennythebomb
You seem to have ignored my post.

How much will you sell it for and where do you live?
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I still hope I will somehow come to conclusion it is better than DF. I just cant seem to imagine that now.

I live in the Czech Republic and tonight I would sell it for 200 bucks. I got it today for about 230.
 
Some of you really need to work on your manners. Calling someone an idiot because they don't happen to like the same product you do is just plain rude.

I think you should just use the DFP for a while. I too had problems with it at first, especially since I shift manually using the stick and the 900 degree rotation means that in city courses I have often need both hands on the wheel. For most vehicles, that is very realistic of course, even if it is a little more difficult.

After a couple of days adjustment to the DFP I couldn't imagine using anything else. The level of realism it produces is astonishing. Cars feel lighter or heavier as appropriate to the model. Steering is more or less difficult based on tire compound. You can feel, through the wheel, if you're running over something with the left or right side of the car, and whether you are doing it with the front or rear wheels. You can feel when the car starts to lift while topping a rise! You can feel when the rear of the car starts to break loose and come around on you (very handy with the Yellowbird etc.)

Despite the problems the wheel has (like the pedal bug, the inability to program the butterfly switches, and truly horrible button placement - they are way to hard to reach while actually driving), it does make the whole experience much more immersive.

You can go into the options for the wheel and turn the feedback down to mild, turn the adaptive steering and the power assist ON, and learn to use it that way first (it is much easier to use that way). Once I got used to it I turned the adaptive steering back off and the feedback to strong, and prefer it that way now, but in the beginning I needed those aids to adapt to the wheel.

Keep it a few days and you'll probably start to love it!
 
It might not have been a bad idea to have skimmed through that thread. You can use the SEARCH IN THIS THREAD function, too, in order to find results only in the given thread. At the very least you should have added your question to the end of it.

I've never turned my DFP more than 135 degrees on any course, and even that's probably too much. Honestly, as others have said, if you're cranking that much lock in on every turn, the wheel is not the problem.

You tell when the wheels are pointed straight ahead when your hands return to the same position they were before you turned them. Also, the wheel simulates caster by trying to self center. When it stops pushing back at you, and the car is going straight, your wheels are in the right position.

The DFP is worth the price just to have the shifter off to the side. I never liked the Momo's paddles - too flexible.

Try setting the feedback to "light" instead of "firm".

romanryunin
I live in the Czech Republic and tonight I would sell it for 200 bucks. I got it today for about 230.
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You've had the thing for what, 6 hours? Cheese-and-rice. Try giving it a chance before you go on a major complaining spree.
 
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You do realize that using the full 2.5 turns lock to lock is not nesccary to navigate most of the tracks, right?
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TSUKUBA, turn one, right hand. I have a problem there. That is the kind of tight turn where I turn the wheel more than 200 degress, but the thing is I get lost in terms of where the wheels are pointing. you quickly learn it with 200 wheels, but this is something totally different. Of course, I hope I don't have to go lock to lock. But the lack of feedback from the sim car and the sim wheel means I get lost.

At least somebody admit, that you also HAD TO LEARN to use this wheel. THat would help. Because I am not a teenager who says this sucks, end of story. I am open for explanation. But telling me I don't know how to drive, c'mon, GT4 is close to the real thing, but not THAT close.
 
romanryunin
I still hope I will somehow come to conclusion it is better than DF. I just cant seem to imagine that now.

I live in the Czech Republic and tonight I would sell it for 200 bucks. I got it today for about 230.
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Too much, thanks for the reply though.
 

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