Dirty Drivers are Out of Control — Nearly Unplayable

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Should there be a black flag system in Gran Turismo Sport Sport Mode daily races?


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Yes, they should add the flags. Perhaps in the form of ghosting, to avoid accidents with backmarkers.

To be honest I expected FIA races at least honoring the flag rules. Before you get a black flag, a solid warning will be given, with a punishment (eg, 1 hour no acces, 2nd time, 4 hours no acces etc).

PD could take a look at Wargaming, they had a pretty good punishment regulation in world of tanks up till permabans. Making these unsanctioned casual style races as clean as they can is an inmence task witch involves a ticket system (report + evidence) and a lot of capacity (read paid staff hours).

To be honest, I am now rated c/b. And I totally do not like being punished for something what i did not cause. The absurd trolling I haven't seen thankfully, but being rammed of the track on the straights fighting for P14 back because got torpedoed out isn't much fun either.
And yes, I try to get my SB up as fast as I can, but just 1 race can kill that progress right away. Takes an extra 4 clean races to get it back on B. What I do?, I look at the available races (short oval gr 3? NO thanks...) and select the ones where the chance of a ramfest can be avoided, that works ! Although the nationcup isn't much better, this P14 fightback ram happened just this evening with the huracan on brands. pff.

Definitely should ghost cars that are a lap down and wish it was already in the game, would of stopped my FIA race from being ruined today. I qualified on pole in a lobby with most of the top 10 and 15 S/S rank drivers and lead the entire race until one of the highest ranked drivers in the game dropped a lap after spinning out trying to overtake me and blocked me going into the last corner so his teammate could get the win. I accidentally ran in the back of him not knowing what he was going to do, in hindsight I could of handled it better, and got a penalty finishing 10th... Really angry especially as it was one of the best races I’ve ever done.
 
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Today, found a guy in a race who yesterday didn't like the fact that he divebombed me and got payback (I closed him the door on the outside).

I had 15 races/poles/wins/fastest laps and this soar loser decided to ruin my race. Divebombed me on the first corner, then stayed behind and she. I was lapping him, we was pushing me offtrack.

I till managed to finish 11th but I was pissed. Guys like him should be banned from Sport Mode.
 
Definitely should ghost cars that are a lap down and wish it was already in the game, would of stopped my FIA race from being ruined today. I qualified on pole in a lobby with most of the top 10 and 15 S/S rank drivers and lead the entire race until one of the highest ranked drivers in the game dropped a lap after spinning out trying to overtake me and blocked me going into the last corner so his teammate could get the win. I accidentally ran in the back of him not knowing what he was going to do, in hindsight I could of handled it better, and got a penalty finishing 10th... Really angry especially as it was one of the best races I’ve ever done.

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Today, found a guy in a race who yesterday didn't like the fact that he divebombed me and got payback (I closed him the door on the outside).

I had 15 races/poles/wins/fastest laps and this soar loser decided to ruin my race. Divebombed me on the first corner, then stayed behind and she. I was lapping him, we was pushing me offtrack.

I till managed to finish 11th but I was pissed. Guys like him should be banned from Sport Mode.

None of that should be tolerated at SR:S. Time outs, or bans from the next FIA events should be imposed, or big big drops in SR classification. It's beginning to annoy me the behaviour of some at SR:S
 
I think I might be the only one here who rarely sees divebombs and guys pushing my off. I’m an S/S so that probably has a lot to do with it, but I very rarely see truly rubbish driving.
 

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If there was a reporting system, what if you were able to include the replay straight from the game, and you are required to point out specific times in the replay where the incident(s) occur, something like that maybe.

that is the only way, otherwise you could end up being banned by troll actions who repeatingly will "report" you. Seen that happen in world of tanks more then often
 
Ghost backmarkers and introduce a system where you get kicked from the Sport Mode lobby if your SR drops by a certain amount during the race. I'm talking kicking them mid-race.

If you ghost a back-marker, then back-markers can race each other and the front runners without worrying about collision. I think that would be worse. Also, where does "back-marker" start? Are you a back-marker after 1 lap? What if you are 0.001 seconds shy of a full lap down? Ghosting can't be local, in other words, a back-marker can't be a ghost to the leader but solid to each other. So, what happens when the leader comes along and you and another guy are racing for 12th? You both go ghost and he passes you and you end up 13th. Sucky deal for the back marker who got shafted.
 
None of that should be tolerated at SR:S. Time outs, or bans from the next FIA events should be imposed, or big big drops in SR classification. It's beginning to annoy me the behaviour of some at SR:S

Turns out there is a competition in said persons country for a few £1,000s in prize money for the best finisher in this season of the Nations Cup or something which explains a lot. Obviously is a quite a lot of money but still sad that they're willing to sacrifice their own and their teams reputations to win one competition of most likely many.
 
I think I might be the only one here who rarely sees divebombs and guys pushing my off. I’m an S/S so that probably has a lot to do with it, but I very rarely see truly rubbish driving.

I'm A/S , revenge hits still happen. Yesterday someone tried to take me out for mistaken identity. I got hit from behind, punted into the car in front of me knocking him off the track. In the last lap he waited for me and hit me from behind at full speed 2 corners before the end. I somehow managed to hang on, he finished nearly last.

Another race a guy in front of me makes a mistake pushing someone wide, doesn't give back the position. Last lap the guy that got wronged dive bombs past me to take him out. Thanks for not hitting me at least.

It's mostly lag though that starts problems in A/S. 1 bar connections should be banned or at least ghosted. The way the game handles laggy cars could not be worse. At least change the algorithm to assume they're following a driving line instead of linear extrapolation.
 
Turns out there is a competition in said persons country for a few £1,000s in prize money for the best finisher in this season of the Nations Cup or something which explains a lot. Obviously is a quite a lot of money but still sad that they're willing to sacrifice their own and their teams reputations to win one competition of most likely many.

That'll probably explain it then. Something very real on the line for them. Still no excuse though and as you say, sad they resort to that kind of driving.
 
I have to simple ideas that would work perfectly to safe SB S:

1. The 2 slowest cars in the field can never gain SB. That way you prevent people for intentionally drive at the back to gain SB. Only last driver is not enough because sometimes there are 2 and the real last drivers are also not going “fast enough”. If you have a race where there are no “cheaters” trying to gain SB at the back of the field the last 2 drivers are punished, but it makes sence because there always need to be people driving at the back and next time they can drive 13th of 14th and gaining SB. This would prevent people climbing up to easy.

2. Change the SB S rating from 80-99 to 90-99 (or 95-99). Simple. Effective. Because lets say you “cheated” yourself into SB S not by going with sportmanship but by driving at the back, you can do a lot of damage and hitting people like 10 times before your SB drops to 79. Just changing the SB to at least 90 would solve most of the problems. More is little bit difficult if you make a mistake. But we could discuss if 90 or 95 would be a good number because you would want to prevent people to drop too easy because of (game) mistakes.

What do you all think about these 2 simple ideas ?


** cheaters put in “” because that is not real cheating but English is not my main language so dont know the correct word for it.
 
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The issue I have is with purposefully dirty drivers.

I raced in multiple races where one guy didn't qualify and waited at the back of the grid for the racers to come around on the first lap then started reeking absolute carnage!!! on anyone who tried to pass him. I was particularly pissed one race where I had pole and he ruined it for me on lap two. He had a buddy blocking for him and helping crash other cars.

I raced about 5 races that night trying different races and I was always in a race with this guy except once. It's impossible to raise your SR with someone crashing into you on purpose. I had an A SR rating thaty dropped to D that night. And so you know, I am (or was a B driver—until I lost my temper with this guy and crashed him—once!)

There needs to be a stricter set of penalties over multiple races for ass-hats like this! He should be banned for at least a period of time. Would that not happen in real racing?

Ideas:
1. Black Flag System: after sending drivers off the road your race is over. This could be contingent on your driveing level.
A & S drivers are immediately black flagged for sending someone off the road. B & C drivers get two chances. D & E get 3 chances. In addition you start at the back of the grid your next race.

2. Multiple race penalties: If you carry a penalty over from one race you start at the back of the grid, or carry that penalty over to your next race no matter when you play. You are also labeled with a penalty icon so everyone knows you're an ass.

3. Adding car damage: If cars attain damage from crashing into one another, then that really ought to solve some of these ass-hat driver issues. It will be less fun for them to ruin everyone's race if they can only finish a lap due to damage.

Thoughts?
I 100 % agree! i'm not the greatest of players , I've raced about 40 races on pad DR C and SR B I haven't won a race nor gotten pole or fattest lap but I love the game. My main objective is not to hit anyone and focus solely on my lines and improving greatly but sometimes I get a few 2nd places and the next race a ******** take me out drops my DR and SR and than I get put with a bunch of lunatics for the next couple of races where I have to fight my way back up sometimes feels like 3 steps forward one back. There has to be stronger penalties.
 
In motorsports (at least SCCA ) the offending driver will get a "furled" black flag as a warning that he/she is behaving in an unsporting and dangerous manner at the first infraction. Any further infraction gets a furled black flag means you must pull into the pits and have a chat with the race director or steward. I suggest that more than one contact per lap should result in the offender getting teleported to the pits to serve a penalty and then allowed to rejoin "ghosted" for the duration of the race.
 
You guys understand this is a video game right?

Yes, and? Just because it's a game doesn't mean that you can't take it seriously and shouldn't expect everyone who is playing it to be forced to play fairly, and there are some very simple things that can be done with the penalty system to improve on that.

I'm positive everyone crying in this thread has done exactly what there are crying about at one point or another due to frustration.

Nope, I've never dropped an entire lap just to take someone out so my teammate can win, in fact I don't think I've intentionally hit someone off in GTS at all. Goes to show that it's stupid being positive about something you have literally no evidence for.

The point is just ignore them! All they want is a reaction from people like you that are so fragile and like to constantly cry about it! The reason it has gotten so bad is because you guys make a thread about this every couple days and give them exactly what they want just like exiting the race or getting in such a fit that you can't even catch up to them.

I think you severely underestimate the mentality of the people that intentionally hit other drivers off. They will do it to anyone and everyone who is near them on track regardless of whether they get a reaction out of you or not, they will simply assume that they are annoying people. I agree that sending them a direct message won't achieve anything as they won't care if you call them a 🤬 and just laugh if off because they're sociopathic idiots, and to an extent posting in threads just to complain is a bit pointless too, but it's not entirely pointless to post the examples of dirty driving you experience on GTS and discuss solutions to improve the game for everyone.

I even find it hilirious to watch as you go into a corner at 100mph trying to get them back and miss every time just ruining your own race! It's simple just get faster so they can't keep up and don't let them on the inside of you.

As I've already posted in this thread even some of the fastest drivers in the game will take you out, so your solution to deal with dirty driving is just become the fastest driver in the world so you'll never have to race anyone ever? Clearly a stupid solution. I agree trying to take them out again should only be done if you know what you're doing, and even if you do it's still best to try and sneak past draw as little attention to yourself as possible to reduce the chances of becoming the race long target for them to smash off.

Who cares if you lose a few positions or don't finish in first regardless if you deserve it or not. it's a video game!! The fact you let something made to be fun and enjoyment put you in a complete rage is pretty pathetic and you could imply all these rules and it would make no difference as they will find a way around it.

Your whole argument as clearly shown by your username is essentially that you shouldn't take games seriously, and is why it is fundamentally wrong, lots of people, and I'd be happy to bet possibly a majority of people, take video games seriously to some degree and actually try to do as well as they can. Some people like myself play video games simply because they enjoy competition and most importantly fair competition and as a result of that I've had some amazingly fun races with some of the best drivers in the world. Yes it does unfortunately mean I can get angry at people who intentionally try to ruin my race but it doesn't mean we should just put up with it and not discuss things PD could do to improve the system. Your argument is entirely based on your perspective and how you enjoy video games and it simply won't apply to everyone so isn't a solution to anything.

If you spent half the time you cry about it on defensive driving and keeping your emotions in check you would be much better off in my opinion!

Defensive driving won't solve anything either, that and the time spent typing in these threads is tiny compared to the amount of time spent racing on GTS, so not posting here won't improve your driving. As @Rick23 GT and @Panzerfaust85 will confirm from the race I'll link below, I am no exactly easy to pass and defensive driving is probably my strongest driving skill, allowing me at times to be able to defend for entire races even if I'm not as fast as the guy behind. None of that helps deal with a dirty driver. To defend in a way that you can't be hit off with everyone you race against would slow you down so much that you might as well not defend at all, as normal defending doesn't cut it, they will just hit you in the rear or cut the corner and hit you in the side. And even extreme defensive driving does nothing to stop someone who drops and entire lap to block you. How do you defend against someone in front of you who just wants to hit you off? It's incredibly difficult if they have half a brain cell and you're guaranteed to be slowed down.

Said video.

 
Yes, and? Just because it's a game doesn't mean that you can't take it seriously and shouldn't expect everyone who is playing it to be forced to play fairly, and there are some very simple things that can be done with the penalty system to improve on that.



Nope, I've never dropped an entire lap just to take someone out so my teammate can win, in fact I don't think I've intentionally hit someone off in GTS at all. Goes to show that it's stupid being positive about something you have literally no evidence for.



I think you severely underestimate the mentality of the people that intentionally hit other drivers off. They will do it to anyone and everyone who is near them on track regardless of whether they get a reaction out of you or not, they will simply assume that they are annoying people. I agree that sending them a direct message won't achieve anything as they won't care if you call them a 🤬 and just laugh if off because they're sociopathic idiots, and to an extent posting in threads just to complain is a bit pointless too, but it's not entirely pointless to post the examples of dirty driving you experience on GTS and discuss solutions to improve the game for everyone.



As I've already posted in this thread even some of the fastest drivers in the game will take you out, so your solution to deal with dirty driving is just become the fastest driver in the world so you'll never have to race anyone ever? Clearly a stupid solution. I agree trying to take them out again should only be done if you know what you're doing, and even if you do it's still best to try and sneak past draw as little attention to yourself as possible to reduce the chances of becoming the race long target for them to smash off.



Your whole argument as clearly shown by your username is essentially that you shouldn't take games seriously, and is why it is fundamentally wrong, lots of people, and I'd be happy to bet possibly a majority of people, take video games seriously to some degree and actually try to do as well as they can. Some people like myself play video games simply because they enjoy competition and most importantly fair competition and as a result of that I've had some amazingly fun races with some of the best drivers in the world. Yes it does unfortunately mean I can get angry at people who intentionally try to ruin my race but it doesn't mean we should just put up with it and not discuss things PD could do to improve the system. Your argument is entirely based on your perspective and how you enjoy video games and it simply won't apply to everyone so isn't a solution to anything.



Defensive driving won't solve anything either, that and the time spent typing in these threads is tiny compared to the amount of time spent racing on GTS, so not posting here won't improve your driving. As @Rick23 GT and @Panzerfaust85 will confirm from the race I'll link below, I am no exactly easy to pass and defensive driving is probably my strongest driving skill, allowing me at times to be able to defend for entire races even if I'm not as fast as the guy behind. None of that helps deal with a dirty driver. To defend in a way that you can't be hit off with everyone you race against would slow you down so much that you might as well not defend at all, as normal defending doesn't cut it, they will just hit you in the rear or cut the corner and hit you in the side. And even extreme defensive driving does nothing to stop someone who drops and entire lap to block you. How do you defend against someone in front of you who just wants to hit you off? It's incredibly difficult if they have half a brain cell and you're guaranteed to be slowed down.

Said video.



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I suggest that more than one contact per lap should result in the offender getting teleported to the pits to serve a penalty and then allowed to rejoin "ghosted" for the duration of the race.

In this case, if two people hit you then you get the penalty.
 
Had the game fore less than a week. Getting dive bombed in almost every corner, of every race its pathetic. What makes it so bad is I get dumped, spun out, lose 5 spots, and get penalized on top of it. The victim should not be getting any penalty points. The DR system is a joke. Don't penalize the driver that gets slammed into and ran off the road, that is just stupid.
 
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You can't rely on the penalty system so you'll have to drive defensive if you are under constant attack, no other way even though it's slower, at least getting hit then shouldn't knock you off track. Taking the racing lines and trying to drive quick is just going to leave the door open to a bomb, a lot of the tracks on this game have multiple perfect "dive bomb" corners and they'll just bounce off you and continue on their way as if they did nothing wrong if you leave them the space to do so.
 
Had the game fore less than a week. Getting dive bombed in almost every corner, of every race its pathetic. What makes it so bad is I get dumped, spun out, lose 5 spots, and get penalized on top of it. The victim should not be getting any penalty points. The DR system is a joke. Don't penalize the driver that gets slammed into and ran off the road, that is just stupid.
The only way to stop 2 cars from coming together, because of a player that wants to play dirty or just brakes way to late and destroys your race is to bring in ghosting, and I can see no other way because this is a game.
 
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Should depend on the track. I'm for drive thrus on short circuits. Auto drive should kick in when nearing pit entrance.

On longer circuits, the ghosting has to be consistent. Ghost w/Auto-drive.

In real life, racers do race on and get penalties handed at the end of a race, but dangerous driving needs to be handled ASAP, just as in real life.
 
Should depend on the track. I'm for drive thrus on short circuits. Auto drive should kick in when nearing pit entrance.

On longer circuits, the ghosting has to be consistent. Ghost w/Auto-drive.

In real life, racers do race on and get penalties handed at the end of a race, but dangerous driving needs to be handled ASAP, just as in real life.
In real life you have racing stewards who can deal with dangerous drivers, but in a game you can not have stewards. The only way you can stamp out dangerous driving in this game, is to bring in ghosting.
 
I noticed a lot of experience guys who know how to "play" ! I have S sportmanship, so I play with guys with similar sportmanship, which is a good thing in GT Sport and some "old bitches" know where and how to hit you and remain clean and, if possible, to make you get a nice time panalty ! :)
I must be honest , I'm not Jesus Christ, it's hard to turn the other cheek with some of those guys, it's motivating, so I am improving too in that area ! :p
 
Adding black flag would be even worse... looking at how wrongly penalties are added clean drivers would end up disquallified.

And car damage? Sure, I'm looking forward to getting brake-checked every single race. Not only I'll receive 10 second penalty but also damage my engine.
 
The issue I have is with purposefully dirty drivers.

I raced in multiple races where one guy didn't qualify and waited at the back of the grid for the racers to come around on the first lap then started reeking absolute carnage!!! on anyone who tried to pass him. I was particularly pissed one race where I had pole and he ruined it for me on lap two. He had a buddy blocking for him and helping crash other cars.

I raced about 5 races that night trying different races and I was always in a race with this guy except once. It's impossible to raise your SR with someone crashing into you on purpose. I had an A SR rating thaty dropped to D that night. And so you know, I am (or was a B driver—until I lost my temper with this guy and crashed him—once!)

There needs to be a stricter set of penalties over multiple races for ass-hats like this! He should be banned for at least a period of time. Would that not happen in real racing?

Ideas:
1. Black Flag System: after sending drivers off the road your race is over. This could be contingent on your driveing level.
A & S drivers are immediately black flagged for sending someone off the road. B & C drivers get two chances. D & E get 3 chances. In addition you start at the back of the grid your next race.

2. Multiple race penalties: If you carry a penalty over from one race you start at the back of the grid, or carry that penalty over to your next race no matter when you play. You are also labeled with a penalty icon so everyone knows you're an ass.

3. Adding car damage: If cars attain damage from crashing into one another, then that really ought to solve some of these ass-hat driver issues. It will be less fun for them to ruin everyone's race if they can only finish a lap due to damage.

Thoughts?
Those are all great ideas, however number one should be reversed.
 
... GT Sport and some "old bitches" know where and how to hit you and remain clean and, if possible, to make you get a nice time panalty ! :)
I must be honest , I'm not Jesus Christ, it's hard to turn the other cheek with some of those guys, it's motivating, so I am improving too in that area ! :p

From what I can tell the system doesn't penalize collisions when you move from the inside apex to the outside. Usually I use this to my advantage when people are blocking the exit line by driving in the middle of a track while exiting a turn. You can gently push them to the outside exit line without receiving a penalty doing this.

Conversely, I was in a lobby race on Dragon Trail that devolved into a Royal rumble. Penalties were on but nobody seemed to care. On the hairpin everyone bottlenecked and overshot the apex while I came in late and inside. I basically drifted from the apex to the wall taking out like 4 or 5 cars and receiving no penalty. It was a jerk move on my part, but the whole room had already demonstrated their inability to cleanly clear the chicane without causing a disaster so I had to make sure no one was entering along with me.

What makes this exploit worse is that cars can be at their most unstable while trail braking to the apex making a small touch turn into a total disaster.
 
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