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[Race Idiot]

Darin - what would $30,000 get you in the US?

I think you could get an SVT Cobra Mustang, but don't quote me on that.

The best thing will be when the TVR breaks down and it needs parts, that's not gonna be cheap.

Although to be honest one day I want to own a Griffith or a Cerbera 4.5 V8, not the damn I6 one.

 

[TheCracker]

The Cerbera Speed Six is thought to be the best allrounder - as quick as the 4.2 V8 - and sounds much better than both the V8's. A friend of mine owns a Chimera 4.0 - he says the parts arn't all that expensive, and since they are built in a traditional way, most replacements can be done by a average skilled mechanic. They can be a little unreliable though!

 

[Lethalchem]

As we say down under "American cars go great in a straight line dont stop dont turn"and now we export the cars to th US as the Pontiac GTO which ic a Monaro Down here.

I agree with your saying in regards to the Mustang, but I think the Vette and Viper do fairly well in the handling department. As posted elsewhere on this board, a motorsports elise couldn't take a corvette down on the track.

The GTO is a joke here. I hope your version is better. 👍

 

[Lethalchem]

The TVR Cerbera Speed Six currently costs about £45,000 here... the Tuscan comes injust under £70,000...

Either way both are much cheaper than any Porsche's that are heavier and slower...

The TVR Cerbera Speed six can do 0-60 in 3.7...

I suspect that the red rose can do it quicker... probs say 3.5...

The speed 12 does it in 3.2 and weighs less than the Cerbera and has about 800BHP 800Lb,ft... (Almost twice) The problem is getting the power down in that car is almost impossible!!

I posted some specs of these in the Master Car list this very morning!! (As someone was trying to say that the Cerbera was heavy?!)

C.

AHhhhh, now see, there's where the difference is. How much was the origional TVR that was compared to the Cobra?

Your 45,000 = $83,700
Your 70,000 = $130,200

Whereas my Cobra cost me $30,000 here, which would be 13,831 to you guys. We're not even talking about cars that are in the same price category. I'd say the Cobra gives you guys a hell of a run, considering the price difference!

If you want to compare similarly priced vehicles, you'd have to compare your Tuscan to the 2005 Ford GT.

 

[Darin]

Darin - what would $30,000 get you in the US?

I would name them, but I don't feel like it due to the large selection.

 

[yeti]

AHhhhh, now see, there's where the difference is. How much was the origional TVR that was compared to the Cobra?

Your 45,000 = $83,700
Your 70,000 = $130,200

Whereas my Cobra cost me $30,000 here, which would be 13,831 to you guys. We're not even talking about cars that are in the same price category. I'd say the Cobra gives you guys a hell of a run, considering the price difference!

If you want to compare similarly priced vehicles, you'd have to compare your Tuscan to the 2005 Ford GT.

Not 100 Percent true...

Everything is cheaper in America... because of something or other and Tax...

I think if you buy a new car in the UK to ship to America you might not have to pay the tax on it here but in America... so that would drop a good few thousand on it...

Although you may have to pay that back to get it swapped from right to left hand drive!!

Wait til TVR start selling them in America... they'll probs cost about $60k and $80k new and not the direct currency levels...

C.

 

[Lethalchem]

Not 100 Percent true...

Everything is cheaper in America... because of something or other and Tax...

I think if you buy a new car in the UK to ship to America you might not have to pay the tax on it here but in America... so that would drop a good few thousand on it...

Although you may have to pay that back to get it swapped from right to left hand drive!!

Wait til TVR start selling them in America... they'll probs cost about $60k and $80k new and not the direct currency levels...

C.

I was only comparing what your TVR costs you there, and my Cobra costs me here. Not what it would cost to have it shipped to me, or mine to you. I know that skews prices quite a bit. Either way, I think it's safe to say that the TVR is significantly higher in cost, unless your minimum wage and poverty line is a LOT higher than here. I don't know.

 

[yeti]

I totally agree...

I wish that things cost the same here as they did in America... I'm fed up of being constantly ripped off!!

Although Comparitively in this country the TVR's are dirt cheap... Ferrari's and Porches cost at least double at £90,000 and some of the mega expenive cars are even more so... like the last Aston Martin Vantage V8 was £250,000 and the McLaren F1 was £650,000...

On the continent these prices are much less than ours because we have to pay some ludicrously high tax on them...

It's cheaper to goto Holland and buy the same car with a RHD conversion and ship it into the country and pay the tax than it is to buy a car in this country...

Sucks or what?

C.

 

[TheCracker]

Lethalchem - how much is a new Elise S2 in the US of A?

 

[Lethalchem]

Lethalchem - how much is a new Elise S2 in the US of A?

$0 We can't get them here yet.

I think they are expecting them to go for $39,000 last I heard, but I don't think that's final. That would be...what...18,303 to you guys? Is that about right?

 

[Lethalchem]

I totally agree...

I wish that things cost the same here as they did in America... I'm fed up of being constantly ripped off!!

Although Comparitively in this country the TVR's are dirt cheap... Ferrari's and Porches cost at least double at £90,000 and some of the mega expenive cars are even more so... like the last Aston Martin Vantage V8 was £250,000 and the McLaren F1 was £650,000...

On the continent these prices are much less than ours because we have to pay some ludicrously high tax on them...

It's cheaper to goto Holland and buy the same car with a RHD conversion and ship it into the country and pay the tax than it is to buy a car in this country...

Sucks or what?

C.

Wow, those prices are insane. I hope you guys get paid much more than we do on average, otherwise I feel for you!

For $150,000 here, you can just about buy any car you want other than the very very top of the food chain. I think that's like 80,000 for you?

 

[Lethalchem]

Here's an article on it. The pricing is down where it says "federal elise" about 2/3 down the page.

http://www.puresportscar.com/

 

[TheCracker]

$0 We can't get them here yet.

I think they are expecting them to go for $39,000 last I heard, but I don't think that's final. That would be...what...18,303 to you guys? Is that about right?

They are about £28,000 over here - for the version you guys will get over there!

yeti is right - we get shafted!

 

[Darin]

$0 We can't get them here yet.

I think they are expecting them to go for $39,000 last I heard, but I don't think that's final. That would be...what...18,303 to you guys? Is that about right?

I read in AUTOWEEK it'll sale for US 32K maximum and US 28K bone stock. All it is, is a MR-2 Spider with a different body...

Really it is. The Engine is from a MR-2 Spider.

 

[Race Idiot]

They are about £28,000 over here - for the version you guys will get over there!

yeti is right - we get shafted!

That's it, i'm never going to buy a new car.

The elise has a completely different chassis, is a fair bit lighter and more of a raw track car than the MR-2.

 

[yeti]

No... it's an elise with the Celica Engine...

The body, chassis and everything else is from Lotus...

C.

 

[TheCracker]

The Elise is not an MR2 - it shares no similar parts - the engine is from 190bhp the vvti t-sport celica not the 140bhp MR2 engine. The Elise is hand built by craftsmen, the MR2 is built on a production line by robots.

 

[Lethalchem]

No... it's an elise with the Celica Engine...

The body, chassis and everything else is from Lotus...

C.

Thanks what I thought too. 👍

 

[Darin]

No... it's an elise with the Celica Engine...

The body, chassis and everything else is from Lotus...

C.

Yea, I made a mistake, its a Celica. I just found the Road & Track article.

 

[yeti]

He he he!!! I get the praise for saying Celica first when I actually said MR2 then corrected it when I saw TheCracker's post... But the general sentiment was correct even if the engine wasn't!!

C.

 

[phantasm]

Lethalchem - how much is a new Elise S2 in the US of A?

Lotus USA website S2 isn't listed yet, the 2005 US Elise is:
http://66.139.73.25/carconfig/index.html
$40,780.00 USD Base Price

and don't even talk about Canada... i live in our largest city and there is only 1 official Lotus dealer in Toronto and only 3 in the entire country and they only offer the Esprit... you can't get the Elise unless you import it from the US... although they do carry the new Panoz Esperante convertible, seen 2 in the showroom.

 

[Darin]

Lotus USA website S2 isn't listed yet, the 2005 US Elise is:
http://66.139.73.25/carconfig/index.html
$40,780.00 USD Base Price

and don't even talk about Canada... i live in our largest city and there is only 1 official Lotus dealer in Toronto and only 3 in the entire country and they only offer the Esprit... you can't get the Elise unless you import it from the US... although they do carry the new Panoz Esperante convertible, seen 2 in the showroom.

Thats what Lotus Dealers down in Ft.Lauderdale carry.. the Esprit V8...

 

[Dave A]

The TVR Cerbera Speed Six currently costs about £45,000 here... the Tuscan comes injust under £70,000...

Either way both are much cheaper than any Porsche's that are heavier and slower...

The TVR Cerbera Speed six can do 0-60 in 3.7...

I suspect that the red rose can do it quicker... probs say 3.5...

The speed 12 does it in 3.2 and weighs less than the Cerbera and has about 800BHP 800Lb,ft... (Almost twice) The problem is getting the power down in that car is almost impossible!!

I posted some specs of these in the Master Car list this very morning!! (As someone was trying to say that the Cerbera was heavy?!)

C.

The Tuscan S comes in at £48,000 not £70,000.
The Tuscan Speed six which is fast enough is £39,850.
The T350C was around the £30,000 mark.
The Cerbara 4.5 is around the £45,000 mark.
The Tuscan 440R is the one thats £70,000 and the Typhon is £80,000. The Typhon is really something, it has a power to weight of 527bhp per tonne. The Sagaris is around £40,000-£45,000.

As for the Cerbera Speed 12, it's true specs are unknown, while TVR were testing the car on a dyno it hit 800Bhp and the torque snapped on of the holding cables, the engine still had a couple of 1000 RPM's to go, TVR later worked out that the car had over 960Bhp, thats OVER 960Bhp. It's 0-60 is said to be between 2.9 and 3.2 depending where you look, but know one knows for sure, top speed is simpley stated as over 240Mph.

And yes Lethalchem, thoes 1/4 times are conservative, we don't care as much about 1/4 mile times here so theres rarely any official data to go off. We have country lanes in the UK which are used for pleasure driving, different places, different styles of road and driving.

 

[yeti]

You're right about the Tuscan actually... I must have been looking at the 440R when I saw that price...

So a Tuscan ("Base" model) is cheaper than a Cerbera... interesting!!

C.

 

[Dave A]

Do you know the reason the Cerbera Speed 12 was pulled from production after only one delivery? It's because Peter Wheeler drove one home one night and it scared the **** out of him. He realised that it was only going to lead to death's if anyone drove one on the street so he refused to sell another one even though offers were coming in for them.

 

[phantasm]

If they sold them here my next car would be the Tuscan Speed Six... for that price!!!! Looks and performs like it's a 100K+ but for under... gold baby gold!

 

[98cobra]

Do you know the reason the Cerbera Speed 12 was pulled from production after only one delivery? It's because Peter Wheeler drove one home one night and it scared the **** out of him. He realised that it was only going to lead to death's if anyone drove one on the street so he refused to sell another one even though offers were coming in for them.

Too bad. That must have been a hell of a ride.

 

[sUn]

Yummy, I saw a '91 fox body Mustang in black with wide chrome rims. Sounded incredible on top of everything.

 

[drifting_maniac]

^ only problem is most of the tracks in GT4 have turns ... so your juiced cuda will be ruling the spinning off the corner into the wall part of the race. That being said, i still support their inclusion in GT... the more the merry, choice is a wonderful thing... especially when i choose to dominate a mustang lover in my skyline gt-r and he's wondering how a "rice rocket" kicked his a$$

THE hemi cuda was created for the old GT racing class, not for oval courses, there for this car is a great performer on the street, plus with the 442 V8 with solid lifters this car can hustle down the strip in no time, so get ur facts straight, american cars arent all just straight line power, another example of a great road car is the camaro z28 and SS models, or the new Z06 Vette, they will roast your little 4valve/ cyl VTEC 9000 rpm 4 cylinders... So please many american cars are very able of road racing, yes i will give credit where it is due, the skyline GTR r33 and r34 are great road cars along with the supra RZ TT, and the RX-7 TT, but yet with these cars come 2 turbos (pea shooters i might ad). But yet the twin turbos only make 300whp at the crank, no that isnt bad but still... think ..... thats 2 turbos... if the turbos ad 40hp a peice: 40hp x 2 = 80hp, that means ur inline 6 front longiturdinal motor is only makin 220hp at the crank- the s2000 makes 20 more at the crank with 2 less cylinders.

Any ways my original point was that american car old and new can take turn just as easy as hondas, and toyotas (I am an american car fan but alot of euro cars are better road cars , but the strip is owned by the big block chevy's and v-8 supercharged fords.)

 

[drifting_maniac]

As we say down under "American cars go great in a straight line dont stop dont turn"and now we export the cars to th US as the Pontiac GTO which ic a Monaro Down here.

GOD DANG GUYS WHY DO U INSIST ON TELLING US THAT AMERICAN CARS CANT TURN OR BRAKE!!

Ok tell me this why has the Corvette won the last 3 or 4 Le Mons, i guess cause it cant turn or brake......

The camaro's through out time have been built to road race, the orignial Barricudas, and camaros where made for the old American Gt class, this class of racing was not in an oval they had road courses being seabring, and laguna Seca
those tracks had plaenty of turns and the american cars handled them as though they where nothing.

SOME OTHER CARS MADE FOR GOING AROUND TURN WHILE DOMINATING THE STREET ARE: Corvette Z06, Mustang Cobra Type R, Camaro Z28 and SS models, Grand National, etc.

AND YES AMERICAN CARS ARE BEASTS ON THE STRIP, WHAT ARE U COMPLAING ABOUT?? The mustang LX 302 V-8 5.0L is the cheapest car you can buy and modify to run Low 12's and high 11's in the 1/4. Ok you can buy a used 5.0 1992 LX for maybe $3000 stock or u can drop 2 or 3 more thousand for already built car...

If u got a stock 5.0 LX stang all u need to make it run 12's is headers, throttle body, replace MAFS, and new set of heads, maybe $2500 worth of mods to own the street.