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[Lethalchem]

Does anyone think a Cobra version the new Mustang will be able to challenge a TVR T350C? I doubt it would but I have to admit I like the new Mustang 10 times more than the current one. But my fave is still the classic 1967 GT500 (I can thank gone in 60 for that).

Tell me how the TVR T350C performs, and I'll let you know. I'm not familiar with TVR much.

The 2005 Mustang (GT and standard base model) will be out this fall. Job 1 starts in less than 60 days. The SVT CObra version will not be released until a year later. As always, the power plant and suspension will be significantly different. Don't be fooled into thinking the Mustang GT and SVT Cobra are the same thing.

 

[rico13]

Blah! im tired of people calling it eleanor, its a 2003 Shelby Mustang GT-500E, you can buy one for $120,000.

http://www.fast-autos.net/shelby/shelbygt500e.html

First of they made that car especially for that movie. So you can call it Eleanor.

 

[incubusnb]

uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but the Shelby GT500 was NOT made for Gone in 60 seconds, it is an actual car, Eleanor is not its proper name, and unless you plan on Jacking one i suggest you call it what it is

 

[Jay]

But the GT500 in 'Gone in 60 seconds' is not a real one and differs from a real GT500.

 

[den brakke]

First of they made that car especially for that movie. So you can call it Eleanor.

That E in the name stands for Elanor i believe.

 

[Dave A]

Tell me how the TVR T350C performs, and I'll let you know. I'm not familiar with TVR much.

The 2005 Mustang (GT and standard base model) will be out this fall. Job 1 starts in less than 60 days. The SVT CObra version will not be released until a year later. As always, the power plant and suspension will be significantly different. Don't be fooled into thinking the Mustang GT and SVT Cobra are the same thing.

The T350C has put the Lamborghini Murcielago, Pagani Zonda C12S, Porsche 911 turbo, Noble M12, Ferrari 360 Stradale and many more to shame in track times.
It's stats are....
0-60Mph - 4.4
Bhp - 350
Engine - inline 6, 3605cc
290lb/ft torque
Curb weight is around the 1000Kg's mark
It's chassis and suspension has been tuned with performance in mind and it's shape was created in the wind tunnel making it one of the most aerodynamically efficient road cars around.

 

[98cobra]

The T350C has put the Lamborghini Murcielago, Pagani Zonda C12S, Porsche 911 turbo, Noble M12, Ferrari 360 Stradale and many more to shame in track times.
It's stats are....
0-60Mph - 4.4
Bhp - 350
Engine - inline 6, 3605cc
290lb/ft torque
Curb weight is around the 1000Kg's mark
It's chassis and suspension has been tuned with performance in mind and it's shape was created in the wind tunnel making it one of the most aerodynamically efficient road cars around.

Hope it's in GT4 so I can play around with it. 👍

 

[Dave A]

It was in at the E3, so it's there.

 

[98cobra]

👍 I think I've seen it before; does it look sort of like the Grifith 500 mixed with the Speed 6?

 

[Dave A]

Sort of, heres a pic of one I took at the British motorshow.

But this is even better, it's called the Sagaris and it's based on the T350C but it would run rings around it.

 

[98cobra]

Beautiful cars man

 

[2JZVVT-i]

First of they made that car especially for that movie. So you can call it Eleanor.

No, they got some of those for the movie, theres no difference.

The Shelby Mustang GT-500E package includes:

Engine

Completely restored automobile (from a 1967 or 1968 Ford Mustang Fastback) Shelby Performance 351/408 Windsor, 475 HP Visteon® F75U high torque starter 8 Quart Canton® oil pan, pick up tube, dip stick Shelby trim valve covers and air cleaner 750 CFM Holley® Carburetor dual line

Transmission

Tremec® T56 6-speed manual transmission Speedo® Cable Heavy duty front & rear U-Joints (1310, 1330 or 1350) Balanced aluminum driveshaft sized for transmission

Clutch

10" Diaphragm clutch Tilton® cable-type clutch kit

Rear End

Currie 31 spline 9" posi-traction differential 389 Tru Trac

Steering

Power steering Type II Total Control Products® rack & pinion steering kit Baer® tracker bump steer adjustable tie rods

Wheels

New 17”X 8” Shelby rims with 245/40ZR17, Z-rated tires
Cooling

Griffin® aluminum cross flow radiator SPAL® 16" electric cooling fan, pull type

Chassis

Total Control Products® sub-frame connectors Total Control Products® shock tower bracing Drive shaft safety loop

Exhaust

JBA® tuned headers with ceramic plating 2 1/2" Spintech® mufflers 2 1/2" aluminum pipe side exhaust system with tips Dual 2.5" exhaust with “H” pipe

Brakes

Front: Baer® 13 X 1.1 Track System, PBR 2 piston aluminum Rear: Baer® 12 X .81 Touring System, PBR 1 piston aluminum Slotted, cross drilled & zinc washed Adjustable rear bias proportioning valve

Electrical

MSD® Ignition Control MSD® Coil

Interior

Custom Shelby signature vinyl black interior LaCarra® 15” wooden steering wheel for Cobras JME Enterprises with Auto Meter Shelby Signature Series Gauges 160 MPH speedometer 10,000 RPM tachometer 1/2" roll bar assembly, 4-point Eclipse® Stereo with CD & amplifier New technology A/C and heat system Cascade Audio full sound insulation

Exterior

Shelby emblems Complete paint & stripes Functional S/C Cobra style gas lid Sequential taillights (Shelby style) MTC Shelby G.T.500E light package

Suspension

Front: Total Control Products® coil-over Rear: Koni® gas shocks Shelby style traction bars Shelby traction bars Lowering blocks

Fuel

NOS® system – 125 shot Holley® carburetor Unleaded gasoline capabilities 3/8 inch stainless fuel line In-line fuel filter Electric fuel pump Fuel safe 16-gallon fuel cell

Additional charge options:

Eclipse® DVD Stereo Eclipse® DVD Dolby® mobile theater system 8 disc CD changer 9.5" X 17" PS Engineering® wheels leather upgrade custom paint colors MTC enhanced lighting system 22 gallon racing fuel cell Total Control Products® rear coil over suspension. Cascade Audio upgraded acoustic control

 

[Dave A]

The GT500 in Gon in 60 seconds s modified, visually the modifications are subtle, but a normal GT500 doesn't come with nitrouse injection.

 

[DevilGTx]

"...the GT500?...the GT500?"
Eleanor.
Is not real.

Anybody ever seen the original 'Gone In 60 Seconds'?
1974 - I think
Written, produced, directed, and starred-in by H.B.Halicki and his employees from his junkyard.
Holds the world record for the longest contiguous car chase.

It's definitely a better scene than Nic Cage's drive.
Eleanor was a '71 Mustang fastback, GT options(probably)
Ripley's B.I.O.N. museum in Tenn. now displays the car in all of its trashed and mangled glory.

 

[DevilGTx]

Wait...there's more.

Go here : www.gonein60seconds.com

Everything in this movie is 100% real--the car, stunts, public roads...
...except for Maindrian's mustache in the chase.
They didn't wreck as many cop cars as 'The Blues Brothers' but it was still a bunch of 'em.

This is one of my favorite movies...and of course, Tron.

 

[Kent]

hold on...

Ahh, pooey!

I put up a post and the whole thing hinged on showing the cast and crew of the second movie getting the chance to work with the people and cars from the first.

Had a picture of all those people, cameras and more, standing around both of the eleanors.

Unfortunately the links didn't work since they were deep in the navigational system of the site for the new version of the movie.

I think the director/ maker/ anything else guy, decided that when he sold the rights to the title he was also allowing for a little change. That is, if he even sold the rights to the title.

Realistically, I doubt he could have afforded a GT500 back in the early 70's. So maybe he just decided that eleanor should be "nicer" for a big budget version of his story. I mean, the car is still a mustang, only in the second one it was one of the best mustangs I can think of (not a big mustang guy here, but I still love the shelby 350 & 500).

Any way, just my two cents.
Till next time,
-

 

[rico13]

Yes it's a gt500 but body mods the color and everything diffrent from the original car where made for the movie.

 

[Lethalchem]

The T350C has put the Lamborghini Murcielago, Pagani Zonda C12S, Porsche 911 turbo, Noble M12, Ferrari 360 Stradale and many more to shame in track times.
It's stats are....
0-60Mph - 4.4
Bhp - 350
Engine - inline 6, 3605cc
290lb/ft torque
Curb weight is around the 1000Kg's mark
It's chassis and suspension has been tuned with performance in mind and it's shape was created in the wind tunnel making it one of the most aerodynamically efficient road cars around.

What about 1/4 times too? From the data you've given me, the TVR will have to step up. Your numbers don't even compete with my current car, let alone the monster that is to come. Stock numbers on mine are:
0-60mph - 4.5
1/4 - 12.5
Bhp - 390 (although that's underrated. reality is closer to 425)
390lb/ft torque (underrated)
Not sure what your weight works out to be, but you're sure to have the advantage there considering my car is a PIG at 3600lbs

Now obviously the handling would be hard to compare, but from the sounds of things, the TVR will own it on the track in it's current form, but handling will be addressed in the 2005 model, so that's a little less sure.

In my mind though, when you compare cars, I think of how they measure up on the street. Most of a car's ability won't be able to be used on public roads, and their stellar designs can only shine on a track. I have several friends with ZO6 vettes, cars with superior handling and balance to mine, yet they cannot keep up on the street because there's no place which allows them to use their ability to a significant enough degree.

I've spent only $800 on modifications on my car, and I'm now pushing 530hp and 560lbs / torque. This puts me at the slower end of what you'll find from any 2003/2004 Cobra on the streets, as very few leave their car stock. So when you ask which will be faster, you must consider where you want to compare. On the street, where the sars will spend all their time, I'd say TVR will need to up their game. On a road course, I don't think anyone considers the current Cobra to be a threat. Ford is adressing this though, and the combination of power, and hopefully improved chassis should make for a much more well-rounded vehicle. 👍

 

[Dave A]

You see thats the thing, over here we don't pride cars on their 1/4 times and as such we don't or rarely test them for that. What we do do is test them on circuits and compare their times that way and the T350C ass whips cars over 300k. In a road test the T350C is said to be good on the road as well as the track. The T350C is 1000kg's dead (2200lbs) according to numerouse sites, your car is 1636kg's so the power to weight is in favour of the T350C by quite a bit, the T350C has 350Bhp per tonne you car has 260Bhp per tonne and thats using the 425Bhp figure, it's 238Bhp per tonne using the 390Bhp figure, even with 530Bhp the car still falls short of the TVR at 324Bhp per tonne. I would think that the T350C would win in any race barring a straight line one and thats not saing your car doesn't corner well but I would bet my house the T350C corners much much better. Still without a track and both cars to be tested on it I don't see how we could ever know for sure but I know which one I'd put my money on.

If you want to compare a TVR ni 1/4 mile times than the 440Bhp Cerbera 4.5 Red rose is a good choice. It has a 4.5 V8 with 390lbs-ft of torque and it hit 0-60mph in 3.8 seconds and has a top speed of over 190mph. It's hard to find proper specs for this car as most searhes will give you the specs for the normal Cerbera 4.5 with 20 less Bhp. The Cerbera weighs 1100kgs (2420lbs) which gives it a power to weight ratio of 400Bhp per tonne. I think this ran a 1/4 time of 12.1, but the current Tuscan S has done it in 11.4.

 

[Shure]

Do not mess with TVR's!

I've read many reviews in car mags of various TVR's, and they always seem to beat their rivals by a considerable margin. This is mainly due to their huge power to weight ratio's.

I love Mustangs, there one of my all time fav cars, and I'm not even American (from the UK), but the problem they have is that there not really ideal for racing. They might be good in a straight line (especially after some fine tuning and a supercharger), and they make one of the best sounds I've ever heard, but there just too big and heavy to be thrown around a track.

I'd love to see some figures on the TVR Tuscan R (or T440R as it now seems to be called), 440bhp per tonne!. Can you even buy this car? I've never seen it reviewed in any mags or online.

 

[Lethalchem]

You see thats the thing, over here we don't pride cars on their 1/4 times and as such we don't or rarely test them for that. What we do do is test them on circuits and compare their times that way and the T350C ass whips cars over 300k. In a road test the T350C is said to be good on the road as well as the track. The T350C is 1000kg's dead (2200lbs) according to numerouse sites, your car is 1636kg's so the power to weight is in favour of the T350C by quite a bit, the T350C has 350Bhp per tonne you car has 260Bhp per tonne and thats using the 425Bhp figure, it's 238Bhp per tonne using the 390Bhp figure, even with 530Bhp the car still falls short of the TVR at 324Bhp per tonne. I would think that the T350C would win in any race barring a straight line one and thats not saing your car doesn't corner well but I would bet my house the T350C corners much much better. Still without a track and both cars to be tested on it I don't see how we could ever know for sure but I know which one I'd put my money on.

If you want to compare a TVR ni 1/4 mile times than the 440Bhp Cerbera 4.5 Red rose is a good choice. It has a 4.5 V8 with 390lbs-ft of torque and it hit 0-60mph in 3.8 seconds and has a top speed of over 190mph. It's hard to find proper specs for this car as most searhes will give you the specs for the normal Cerbera 4.5 with 20 less Bhp. The Cerbera weighs 1100kgs (2420lbs) which gives it a power to weight ratio of 400Bhp per tonne. I think this ran a 1/4 time of 12.1, but the current Tuscan S has done it in 11.4.

2200lbs!?? Woo! I'd LOVE to have a weight like that! That's awesome. Your 0-60 and 1/4 must be conservative on the TVR then, because it should run faster. Mine has run a best of 11.8, and as you said, the TVR has better power/weight. That car sounds fun as hell. And these cars can be had for $30,000 over there? Man, I'd have one for sure. 👍

As for the interest in 1/4 times here, I can only speak for myself, but I think it has to do with our roads and interests. Our streets are wide and straight for the most part, leaving quite a bit of room for long sweeping arcs. No real need for nimble handling. Also, if you have to go to a circuit to use your car's potential, what good is that? Straight line performance is enjoyed anytime, anywhere, anyday. That's what I was getting at with my ZO6 comparison.

But anyway, in getting back to your origional question then, I'd say the Cobra won't be able to touch it by your comparison standards (on a track). I don't even see how they'd be close.

 

[Lethalchem]

Do not mess with TVR's!
I love Mustangs, there one of my all time fav cars, and I'm not even American (from the UK), but the problem they have is that there not really ideal for racing. They might be good in a straight line (especially after some fine tuning and a supercharger), and they make one of the best sounds I've ever heard, but there just too big and heavy to be thrown around a track.

I agree completely. It's been my biggest complaint. Even over here, my car is heavy comparatively speaking.

 

[SOL FROM OZ]

As we say down under "American cars go great in a straight line dont stop dont turn"and now we export the cars to th US as the Pontiac GTO which ic a Monaro Down here.

 

[yeti]

2200lbs!?? Woo! I'd LOVE to have a weight like that! That's awesome. Your 0-60 and 1/4 must be conservative on the TVR then, because it should run faster. Mine has run a best of 11.8, and as you said, the TVR has better power/weight. That car sounds fun as hell. And these cars can be had for $30,000 over there? Man, I'd have one for sure. 👍

The TVR Cerbera Speed Six currently costs about £45,000 here... the Tuscan comes injust under £70,000...

Either way both are much cheaper than any Porsche's that are heavier and slower...

The TVR Cerbera Speed six can do 0-60 in 3.7...

I suspect that the red rose can do it quicker... probs say 3.5...

The speed 12 does it in 3.2 and weighs less than the Cerbera and has about 800BHP 800Lb,ft... (Almost twice) The problem is getting the power down in that car is almost impossible!!

I posted some specs of these in the Master Car list this very morning!! (As someone was trying to say that the Cerbera was heavy?!)

C.

 

[Darin]

Yeti, how much is a Griffith 500 used over there? I'm just curious cause I am gonna get one of those here in America sometime within my life.

 

[yeti]

http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/usedcars/index.htm

Take a look for yourself...


Griffith 5.0
Registration: 2000
Mileage: 33250
Price: £24,950

Griffith 500
Registration: 2000
Mileage: 4500
Price: Under Offer

Griffith 500
Registration: n/a
Mileage: 11000
Price: £23,995

Griffith 5.0
Registration: 1997
Mileage: 39000
Price: £20,950

Griffith 500
Registration: 1994
Mileage: 19890
Price: £15,995

Griffith 500
Registration: 2001
Mileage: 18800
Price: £29,995

Griffith 500
Registration: 2002
Mileage: 11000
Price: £29,995

Griffith 500
Registration: 2000
Mileage: 17000
Price: £27,950

C.

 

[Darin]

How much is £15,995 in US dollars?

 

[yeti]

Pound to Dollar 1.8600

So... £15,995 = $29750.70

Obviously you would have to pay extra for import stuff too!!

C.

 

[Darin]

Damn! $29,750.70 is the total price. Let the saving up begin...

 

[TheCracker]

Darin - what would $30,000 get you in the US?