Discuss All American Muscle Cars Here. ( More Mustangs, Pontiacs and Chevys)

[DaveRedEscort]

wow intresting read...

there will always be confilcting opinions but ho hum...

personally, i'd like the best of the mustangs to be included, but not too many, about 5 or 6 would do and it would hopefully keep the mustang lovers happy. they can go on about how much they would like certain models, but everyone can go on about which cars they want, the list would be endless

 

[jr93alty]

first, the rx8 isnt turboed because mazda realized how to get power out of the rotary without forced induction. in older rotaries, they had troubles because there is no valve system to create vacuum to suck in air, therefore, they forced it in. also, why is the rx7 being compared to a mustang. two totally different cars. mustangs were always straight line racers and a fully mustang with common, cheap, bolt ons will destroy a normally modded rx7 at the strip which is what it was intended to do. hence MUSCLECARS. also, a mazda basically is a ford so who really cares.

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

I'm no fan of the Mustang, but I adore of its rich history in the automotive world. I think it deserves to have more model than it currently has alongside with the Corvette, actually the Mustang has more trim/model variants than the Mitsu Lancer Evo-series:

2003 GT Concept:
Coupe

Roadster

1965 Convertible:

1965 Coupe:

1967 Fastback Coupe:

1968 Models:

1969 Model:

1970 Model:

1971 Model:

1972 Model:

1973 Model:

1974 Model: (ugh )

1975 Model:

1976 Model:

1977 Model:

1978 Model:

1979 Models:

1982 Model:

1983 Model:

1986 Model:

1987 GT 5.0 Coupe:

1988 LX 5.0 Coupe:

1993 LX 5.0 Convertible:

1994 4.6 GT Coupe:

1996 Cobra Coupe:

1999 GT Convertible:

2000 GT Coupe Roush package:

2000 Saleen Mustang SR: (totally sick)

2001 Standard V6 Coupe:

2002 Shelby GT500E "Eleanor": ( )

2003 SVT Cobra Coupe and Convertible:

Mach III concept:

1965 Hatchback: (limited edtion custom)

2001 Cobra R:

2004 GT-R concept:

2003 Saleen S-281 5.4: ( 👍 )

2005 GT Coupe: (pre-production version)

I hope you guys are happy.

 

[redhed17]

I think you missed one.

But seriously, there are some really ugly cars there.

For me, you can cut out 69-94.

 

[greenlightning]

Great pictures of the stangs. This one I have never seen before even though, I am a avid 60's american car buff
1965 Hatchback: (limited edtion custom)


My personal take is that Mustang is one of prime car makes of all time. Since 1965, to my knowdlege there has been a Mustang produced every year. I know there was a few years where it came very close to seeing the end. It would be a shame to not include at least a 1/2 dozen prime examples of the stallion. If the game maker truly wants the create a collection of cars and celebrate their history, then they should also be looking at the number of cars that was sold. As we have seen in the previuos games the lack of horsepower, box like looks do not prevent cars from making the cut list. I would love to see the 55, 56, 57 Chevy get in the game so I can so a few people that I know just how dominate the Boss 429 would be over their classic.

 

[the_undrtaker89]

Mustang is just one of those cars you keep in your garge for looks. I have not once used the mustang, because its quite useless in the game, although its fine in real life

 

[Solid Fro]

I really like the '67-'71 Mustangs, they are great pieces of American muscle. I am particularly fond of the Mach 1 Mustangs. If the competition Mustangs are in the game, like the GT500, they will definitely be a force to be reckoned with. I would love to own a noob in a panda Corolla with my GT500.

 

[Eagle]

I've always found the concept of 'musclecars' ridiculous. It's another cliche American thing as they try to justify making cars that can't compete on the same basis as everyone else. Being able to go fast in a straight line will never remotely concern me, being able to hug turns at impressive speeds does.

 

[toler]

cut ´79 to late nineties models and let those horses come to me!

 

[Solid Fro]

Cut everything after '73!

Hopefully the new Mustang and GTR Mustang can bring back some muscle to the car.

 

[T5-R]

I like they way they completely loose the plot in 1974.

1970/1971 models look the coolest to me hehe I've got a Corgi toy car of the 1979 one somewhere.

 

[Eldorado]

Would be great if the 1971 Mach 1 was in GT4(Love that car)

 

[yeti]

Quite frankly I want every car that was ever made in the game... But as that's not gonna happen I think that we could definetely give some numbers to the Mustangs...

I have to say that the 80's Mustangs were god awful... and they're only just regaining some style...

Although the Rear Axle suspension kit has been the same for the last 30 years!? You would've thought that Ford could've sorted that out... And the Mustang engine is so weak for Hp per CC! You get more power per literage out of a Daewoo Matiz!!

C.

 

[TheCracker]

But seriously, there are some really ugly cars there.

For me, you can cut out 69-94.


I'll second that!

I think only the 'performance' variants need to be included - ie GT350 from GT2

 

[Lethalchem]

first, the rx8 isnt turboed because mazda realized how to get power out of the rotary without forced induction. in older rotaries, they had troubles because there is no valve system to create vacuum to suck in air, therefore, they forced it in. also, why is the rx7 being compared to a mustang. two totally different cars. mustangs were always straight line racers and a fully mustang with common, cheap, bolt ons will destroy a normally modded rx7 at the strip which is what it was intended to do. hence MUSCLECARS. also, a mazda basically is a ford so who really cares.

I don't know if ANYONE cares, but it's something to talk about. SOMEBODY's got to stick up for us poor retarded Rustang, err I mean Crustang, I mean Mustank owners! I totally agree with you about the straight line performance v.s all around capabilities. That's my point, don't put the car down for not being able to perform well in areas it was never intended to. The 1993 mustang I mentioned (and owned) had brakes that were mere suggestions, as opposed to commands.

I think it deserves respect for accomplishing what it was built for.

If Mazda could figure out how to build a properly tuned turbo, I'd think they would certainly do it considering all the other manufacturers are going the forced induction route: Dodge SRT-4, Ford Lightning/Cobra/GT, Saturn Redline etc. They did just come out with the turbo Miata though, so we'll see how that works out. They're going to be left behind in the performance market if they don't. The RX8 certainly doesn't live up to it's looks.

As for why I even brought up the RX7 against the Mustang, I couldn't think of too many performance oriented Japanese cars that were over here in 1993. The Nissan 300ZTT, Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, and the Toyota Supra TT were around at some point around that time frame, but I don't know their build dates very well. Even then, the Supra was the only one of those that was worth much, and they all were still way overpriced for what they delivered.

 

[Lethalchem]

Mustang is just one of those cars you keep in your garge for looks. I have not once used the mustang, because its quite useless in the game, although its fine in real life

Unfortunately, I agree with you. In fact, most of the American cars arn't worth trying to race with. I'm hoping this next incarnation will be done a bit better. As accurate as the game tries to be, they missed the mark quite a bit IMHO. All American cars don't handle like dump trucks and have such a low HP cap. There's a TON of 600+hp cars rolling around in just about every city in the US. All these cars modify so well, it's a shame that's not duplicated in the game. As most people on here like to point out, we suck at turning, so we need the HP to make up for it. That's fine, but at least let us have the HP then! The 2000 CobraR should do much better against the other American cars they have in there as well.

 

[Lethalchem]

I have to say that the 80's Mustangs were god awful... and they're only just regaining some style...

You're looking at stock versions though. For me, '87-'93 could be made to look mean as hell, and can have the muscle to back it up just as easily. It's kinda like beer though: An aquired taste.

Although the Rear Axle suspension kit has been the same for the last 30 years!? You would've thought that Ford could've sorted that out... And the Mustang engine is so weak for Hp per CC! You get more power per literage out of a Daewoo Matiz!!

C.

Ford didn't sort it out, because us damn fools kept buying them in droves anyway. The HP per litre may not be as good, but the torque is right on. Regardless, power per litre doesn't mean anything to me if your performance is still no better than golf cart!

 

[TheCracker]

Power-to-weight is king on a circuit

 

[Lethalchem]

Power-to-weight is king on a circuit

No doubt, but power-to-weight is not the same as hp per litre

Here's a nice video for you lovers of low hp/good handling European cars: Lotus Elise v.s. Vette. Enjoy. http://www.smudo.com/smudo/bigdata/elise_vs_corvette.mpg

 

[TheCracker]

Here's a nice video for you lovers of low hp/good handling European cars: Lotus Elise v.s. Vette. Enjoy.

...a Sony Music Germany site?!?!?!?

...is David Hastlehoff driving the vette?

 

[toler]

no SMUDO some german rap clown is driving the elise

 

[Lethalchem]

Here's a nice video for you lovers of low hp/good handling European cars: Lotus Elise v.s. Vette. Enjoy.

...a Sony Music Germany site?!?!?!?

...is David Hastlehoff driving the vette?

If he is, you've got to give him credit for taking down a Motorsport Elise.

 

[Mega Fighter X]

Ok... How about that video? All I see is Destiny's Child...

 

[toler]

try this link for the corvette/elise vid.

http://brunnchen.free.fr/Vids/ELISE_vs_corvette.MPG

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

Um you guys do realize that most muslce cars where made for Trans-Am racing right?? Take the Plymouth Superbee, Shelby GT350 and GT500, and Dodge Challenger Daytona. They where built for racing, but not in a straight line. Now a Cuda 440 6-pack, or a Hemi Charger, or a Roadrunner with a Hemi, Mustang Boss 429, or something along those lines, well yeah it's meant for straight line racing. But there are some muscle cars out there with agility. And for the guy who compared the RX-7 to the Stang, uh you should have compared the RX-7 to a Cobra, not a base 5.0. Why? Well they are considered to be in the same class.And the Cobra is still way cheaper than the RX-7, and all that change you saved from buying the Stang can goto upgrades! And yeah your gunna say that isn't fair to the RX-7, but if the RX-7 was cheaper you would say the same! And you could invest in some suspension parts from Steeda or Saleen and then you could go fast around corners and not just in a staight line! But point is, Mustangs are pretty damn affordable and can be upgraded pretty inexpensively compared to other cars....
2004 Cobra Kenne Bell Blowzilla supercharger:
puts HP to: 500+
Costs: $3000

2004 Corvette Kenne Bell Supercharger
puts HP to 500+
$5000-7000 depending on how much boost you want.

 

[JohnBM01]

I never said I seriously am devoted to America's horsepower-crazy muscle car history. I was just speaking as an automotive enthusiast. Because if you hate muscle cars, you have to love the engine noise. Nothing like an American car blasting down the strip and sounding good doing it. Unfortunately, though, I like the roar of an Australian V8 Supercar blasting down the track a little better. Mustangs would be wonderful to highlight on about as much as the Corvette's 50th Anniversary.

I know I talk about "pure race cars," and the Trans-Am racers of then (and even now) are great racing machines, even if they are built up like NASCAR machinery. You win in Trans-Am it almost means nothing nowadays. Why? Because NASCAR is the best motorsport in America... or so they say. So Ford, let me ask you this. Why do you think that more Mustangs would make GT4 better, considering the points you mentioned? I'm not being mean, I'm just asking in a makeshift "interview."

 

[Lethalchem]

Um you guys do realize that most muslce cars where made for Trans-Am racing right?? Take the Plymouth Superbee, Shelby GT350 and GT500, and Dodge Challenger Daytona. They where built for racing, but not in a straight line. Now a Cuda 440 6-pack, or a Hemi Charger, or a Roadrunner with a Hemi, Mustang Boss 429, or something along those lines, well yeah it's meant for straight line racing. But there are some muscle cars out there with agility. And for the guy who compared the RX-7 to the Stang, uh you should have compared the RX-7 to a Cobra, not a base 5.0. Why? Well they are considered to be in the same class.And the Cobra is still way cheaper than the RX-7, and all that change you saved from buying the Stang can goto upgrades! And yeah your gunna say that isn't fair to the RX-7, but if the RX-7 was cheaper you would say the same! And you could invest in some suspension parts from Steeda or Saleen and then you could go fast around corners and not just in a staight line! But point is, Mustangs are pretty damn affordable and can be upgraded pretty inexpensively compared to other cars....
2004 Cobra Kenne Bell Blowzilla supercharger:
puts HP to: 500+
Costs: $3000

2004 Corvette Kenne Bell Supercharger
puts HP to 500+
$5000-7000 depending on how much boost you want.

Good points.

Just to clarify a bit, the 04 Cobra KB will net you 600+RWHP, but at closer to $4500 for the "extras" like BAP etc. I've never seen a Vette with a KB, although I've seen quite a few with the Magnasun. My friend has a Z06 with a Magnasun supercharger. It cost him $8000 (including install) and he puts down 445rwhp/400rwtq. Vettes are limited to low boost levels due to lack of intercooling (He's at 8psi if I recall correctly).

A better perspective on the affordability is to look at my personal car instead of the KB. I've spent $800 on mods for my car (pulley swap,chip, CAI, and CB) and have dynod at 445rwhp and 470rwtq on a warm day. For $500 I could port the blower and slap a 2.77 ($80) pulley on instead of my 2.93 and have 500rwhp.

 

[jeffpresto]

I also want to see how the Mustang GT compares to the z28 and SS Camaros in the game.

Let me save you some time . . . the GT would get its doors blown off twice. Seriously, what's so special about any of the current-gen mustangs?

 

[Lethalchem]

Let me save you some time . . . the GT would get its doors blown off twice. Seriously, what's so special about any of the current-gen mustangs?

I don't think there's anything "special" about the majority of the cars on the road, or in the game.

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

I never said I seriously am devoted to America's horsepower-crazy muscle car history. I was just speaking as an automotive enthusiast. Because if you hate muscle cars, you have to love the engine noise. Nothing like an American car blasting down the strip and sounding good doing it. Unfortunately, though, I like the roar of an Australian V8 Supercar blasting down the track a little better. Mustangs would be wonderful to highlight on about as much as the Corvette's 50th Anniversary.

I know I talk about "pure race cars," and the Trans-Am racers of then (and even now) are great racing machines, even if they are built up like NASCAR machinery. You win in Trans-Am it almost means nothing nowadays. Why? Because NASCAR is the best motorsport in America... or so they say. So Ford, let me ask you this. Why do you think that more Mustangs would make GT4 better, considering the points you mentioned? I'm not being mean, I'm just asking in a makeshift "interview."

Well I don't think it would necesarilly be better, but then is having that many Skylines (and they all practically the same!) make the game better? Mos tof the Mustangs I want are rather different in performance and most are pretty far apart in distance as far as years go. The Skylines are all within a 20 or so time span, Mustangs can come from double that... And I only want to see the KEY Stangs, not like 94 GT, 94 CObra, 95 Cobra....etc.... just the ones of signifigance.
68' Mach 1, was a darn good performer for it's time and is still decent by today's standards.

70' Boss 429, it's a muslce car legend, need I say more!

68' Shelbys (GT350 and GT500) Uh SHELBY, duh!

2000 Cobra R, barebones race car from the factory!

2004 Cobra 10th year of the Cobra and easily the top dog of the Fox body era....

Wha twas that 6 or so cars? is that alot to ask? Especialy since they cram twice that many evos and Skylines into a game? And stock for stock an 04 Cobra v.s. 04 Skyline? Skyline is way more expensive (yeah you can get them here! They are just inder the name Infinity G35x ) But the Stang could easily tear it a new one. Skyline is too heavy for the amount of HP it has. And just compare the 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and it's easy to see. And the Mustang is a car with great heritage, show it for god's sake, they putting in like what 4 vettes? It's another car with awesome heritage! And my point about trans-am racing was that alot of muslce cars where built with the intent of racing them on road style courses, like LeMans... which Ford did enter several GT350s and a GT500.....