DLC is ruining content of games

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They've been doing stuff like this for years, just in different forms ... Heck, in the N64 days, you couldn't even play ENTIRE GAMES without certain accessories (i.e. Perfect Dark without the memory expansion). Expansion packs, required accessories, DLC ... It's all the same thing ...
 
xNeroZero
I cringe when I read this. Can you not read? I'll spell it out for you; DLC RUINING QUALITY OF GAMES, QUALITY DROP BECAUSE OF DLC
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What games, the crappy 3rd party games you buy, this games quality has gone up without DLC as free updates..
Little big planet 2
uncharted 3
killzone 3
etc. were all complete games with superb quality there's DLC but the games not incomplete without them.
* although Uncharted 3 had day one DLC that twas on the disc 👎 *
Now COD shipping with one zombie map is a rip off, but that's irrelevant to Granturismo 5..
 
Jmac279
They've been doing stuff like this for years, just in different forms ... Heck, in the N64 days, you couldn't even play ENTIRE GAMES without certain accessories (i.e. Perfect Dark without the memory expansion). Expansion packs, required accessories, DLC ... It's all the same thing ...
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Exact point that me and three other users and now you as well have tried to make, but others can't accept that.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Exact point that me and three other users and now you as well have tried to make, but others can't accept that.
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I just read the OP, so I didn't see your posts. Good to see people who agree with me :)

I mean, I understand to some degree with the original poster is saying, but at the same time, almost every first-world country has adopted a free market economy (for the most part). If customers don't feel like they've received good value for the money spent, especially when there is strong competition, they'll spend their money elsewhere. It seems like, and the OP conceded this, a lot of people are happy with the content and prices provided by PD and Sony, so I really don't see a problem with it.
 
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My brothers and I were discussing the whole DLC thing when it comes to gaming stores/pre-order. We believe it ruins gaming, because it's a catch-22. If you buy game x at store a, you get content a, but if you get it at store b, you get content b, and if you get it at store c, you get content c, but you never can get a, b, and c, thus you NEVER get a COMPLETE GAME. You get a bunch of consumerism bull from GameStop and lousy stores like this that just want to rape you on pre-orders of new games. And what about the used game industry? Might as well forget it, you get jack crap or have to go through amazon and pay extra for codes!

Case in point, the stealth cars. I don't have a single one. And I don't care. To me I just accept PD sold me an incomplete game. And it isn't them, it's everyone doing this (consuls and PC developers alike--all on the same row of shelves in GameStop, all with the same kind of pre-order advertising, trying to force you to buy with them or miss out on content that should automatically be included in a $50 game).

I also am not buying DLC for GT5 as of now, because there's nothing I want, the cars are mostly lame (Nissan LEAF...an electric car that goes 100 miles before running out of juice ON A RACE TRACK...please, guys, try harder--Forza has ALMS/R-18 and honestly that's better than anything GT5 has put out in DLC including Spa).

Barring Le Mans race cars and Sebring there's nothing I want out of GT5 that isn't there already and getting ruined update-by-update.

So yeah, end rant and all. I'm not ungrateful or hating on GT, I mean if I was a hater, they've certainly given me PLENTY of reasons to leave, and I stayed. Even though they insultingly and blatantly only offered these major DLC updates based on the necessity to compete with Forza 4.

No Forza 4, no DLC. I really do believe that. Still, I stand by the game, almost specifically because of the wonderful drivers at GTP.

Vaxxtx
I was right about your age. 21 is hardly an older gamer.

More go into games today that 10 years ago. ITs not 4 guys programming in a basement. Its big business. Now that boradband internet is avaiable to more people, and consoles have embraced it, DLC and patches are the norm.

Thats the bottom line....It isnt going to change.

But if you are so keen on the 90's games, then...go play them. There is a huge selection and if you think they are better nothing is stopping you from moving away from current gen.
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Meh, old enough. The 90s were two decades ago. In technology terms that's old, to me. I only go so far back as MSDos and NES, but even that's prehistoric by today's standards.

DosBOX!
 
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Tower Turn 13
My brothers and I were discussing the whole DLC thing when it comes to gaming stores/pre-order. We believe it ruins gaming, because it's a catch-22. If you buy game x at store a, you get content a, but if you get it at store b, you get content b, and if you get it at store c, you get content c, but you never can get a, b, and c, thus you NEVER get a COMPLETE GAME. You get a bunch of consumerism bull from GameStop and lousy stores like this that just want to rape you on pre-orders of new games. And what about the used game industry? Might as well forget it, you get jack crap or have to go through amazon and pay extra for codes!

Case in point, the stealth cars. I don't have a single one. And I don't care. To me I just accept PD sold me an incomplete game. And it isn't them, it's everyone doing this (consuls and PC developers alike--all on the same row of shelves in GameStop, all with the same kind of pre-order advertising, trying to force you to buy with them or miss out on content that should automatically be included in a $50 game).

I also am not buying DLC for GT5 as of now, because there's nothing I want, the cars are mostly lame (Nissan LEAF...an electric car that goes 100 miles before running out of juice ON A RACE TRACK...please, guys, try harder--Forza has ALMS/R-18 and honestly that's better than anything GT5 has put out in DLC including Spa).

Barring Le Mans race cars and Sebring there's nothing I want out of GT5 that isn't there already and getting ruined update-by-update.

So yeah, end rant and all. I'm not ungrateful or hating on GT, I mean if I was a hater, they've certainly given me PLENTY of reasons to leave, and I stayed. Even though they insultingly and blatantly only offered these major DLC updates based on the necessity to compete with Forza 4.

No Forza 4, no DLC. I really do believe that. Still, I stand by the game, almost specifically because of the wonderful drivers at GTP.



Meh, old enough. The 90s were two decades ago. In technology terms that's old, to me. I only go so far back as MSDos and NES, but even that's prehistoric by today's standards.

DosBOX!
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Those stores pay Sony/PD to have the privilege of those offers.

Customers get free content
Store gets more customers and more sales, which should offset the cost of the free content promotion
Sony and Developer get more money

Everyone wins in theory

You say it's an incomplete game because the developer didn't include it in every single game. Well, you know, they probably used the money given to them by the retailer to fund the development of that content ...

While we're on the topic of '90s games, look at the relative cost given inflation. Games here were $70 CAD back then, they're $60 CAD now. A game 15 years ago cost $93.06 in today's money given inflation (source: Bank of Canada).
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
Give it up Peter_Vod thinks he is correct and wont budge, being blinded by your view and not wanting to see it from the other perspective seems to be the users game.
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How are you any different? I mean, besides being wrong of course.

LMSCorvetteGT2
Exact point that me and three other users and now you as well have tried to make, but others can't accept that.
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I must've struck a nerve for you to be STILL whining about it.
 
Why should someone be considered wrong for offering an opinion im not sure how this can be a argument mainly just a way of seeing what peoples views are they shouldnt be labelled as wrong just because your opinion differs
 
I agree with OP with some parts, but I think its ok, if people want to spend cash, they can on whatever they like... anyways

my opinion on DLC that its ruining Online gameplay, the best game which does that is COD series, if 10 out of 100 people buy map packs, online gameplay for 90 people is ruined and they stop playing it since "you have fun playing with friends and then NEXT map is what you didnt buy" goodbye, and you get kick.

similar stuff may happen to GT series, if some superb cars will be be as DLC or some tracks, people who dont buy one may have huge disatvantage.. this far what I know is that you CAN play online tracks you dont have.. but this may change and if that happens then GT5 online would be ruined for most part of the players.

I do buy tracks anyways since they are very needed in GT5 due to small count of them.
 
You want stupid high prices, check out apb: reloaded. Now that game is ruined by dlc.

It's not dlc ruining games, it's companies that use it as a money grab technique. Day one dlc is a slimey way to do it. Which is usually done by companies that really dont give a damn about the gamers, just their wallets.

Now when it comes to quality companies such as PD, Valve and iracing... Dlc improves the game. You get a quality product to begin with, then lots of content later on that is reasonably priced and even free at times.

I think companies that abuse dlc will eventually start to lose business to the legit companies that are still about the gamer. Just a matter of time.

Lastly, games now a days take so much more time to make, that expecting them to be perfect out of the gate is just daft.
 
EDIT: I just read that GT5 online is officialy ruined and you CANT play DLC online for free anymore, so now if 1 out of 10 will buy DLC track that will leave 9 unhappy players online, glad I have DLC tracks, anyway im very sad for those who dont! this way PD will destroy online gameplay esspecialy when there will be more DLC tracks avalible.
 
It depends how its been done for me. I disagree with content that's already on the disc being sold as DLC. Like what most companies do. Especially at ridiculous prices. Ace Combat for example. 1 plane can cost between £3-£5. If i remember correct. But if it is content that's added at a later date. Then i can justify it. The online track ban for those who haven't bought DLC though. It sucks. If the host has bought the DLC and decides he wants to use it. He should be able to, without everyone else who hasn't being left bored and then leaving the room. That's definitely gonna ruin online and online events. But its one way of getting people to buy it i suppose.
 
Toronado
:rolleyes:

I'd put more stock in this if you had actually bothered saying why I was wrong after I explained it to you rather than just stonewalled.
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OK, You're wrong because Sonic & Knuckles was a complete game by itself, not requiring the presence of any other game to work.

I will acknowledge that it contained patch elements, and yes it could be combined with Sonic 3 (and to a lesser extent, Sonic 2), but it was a standalone game in its own right, thus not an expansion pack, and indeed, was much more a sequel with a continuous storyline. Most of the patch elements were there to bridge the two games together.
 
Honestly, I do wish that we could have a finished product for once. PD design cars after release, in order to add to a game that wasn't finished in the first place, fair enough. My only problem are companies that try to sell you things that are already on the disc, and should have come with release.
 
peter_vod69
OK, You're wrong because Sonic & Knuckles was a complete game by itself, not requiring the presence of any other game to work.

I will acknowledge that it contained patch elements, and yes it could be combined with Sonic 3 (and to a lesser extent, Sonic 2), but it was a standalone game in its own right, thus not an expansion pack, and indeed, was much more a sequel with a continuous storyline. Most of the patch elements were there to bridge the two games together.
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Going on the S&K thing. The game was a separate release but it was originally intended to be combined with Sonic 3 and sold on its own (whether the lock-on technology would have existed if the game were sold as one though is questionable). Its an example of a separate release but with connectivity to prior games.
 
DLC isn't ruining the game IMO.
You say that we should wait for GT6, well when would that be?

It's been more than a year since I've had this game and it's pretty much completed, so what are we to do?

If PD releases new exciting content obviously I will buy to keep myself entertained, otherwise I will lose interest in GT5 and move onto a different game, and that's a sad thought.

So I'm glad they make DLC - I admit it does amount to a large amount of spending but really the game to me is worth more than what it's worth on a shop display, and I'm happy to pay the extra (although it would be nice if we got it for free!).
 
I see your point, and I understand what you mean, and actually shaking my head at the stupidity level of some of the people here, that they jump onto the "If you don't want it, don't buy it" so easily.

Look at "Deus Ex: Human Revolution" for example the game released a DLC called "Missing Link" LOL more like missing content since the download was basically a 100kb key to unlock something that was already in the disk.

One of the recent "Prince of Persia" games gave gamers the biggest slap in the face when it made it's ending into a DLC that you would have to buy for $10 to see. Otherwise no ending for you.

The thread this point is trying to make is that GT5 is starting to follow in the foot steps of other game that are whoring in DLC, for example Forza 4. how many car packs does that game have by now? like 10?
 
this sounds like jealous bitchin ^^ you got people who will leave the game if they dont do updates and people who leave the game with the updates!?!? just be happy and stop crying > ITS SUCH A WONDERFULL GAME!!!!
 
i don't mind DLC as long as it makes the game better AFTER the game comes out.. I know they can't fit everything on the disc so sometimes there needs to be DLC but should be free.. here's is an example of a RIP OFF (well I think it is).. in the Tiger Woods PGA Tour.. the game came out and pretty much the same day there was DLC which cost extra (more courses).. but when I play on the Wii.. the courses that are DLC for Xbox and PS3 are already incorporated in the disc..

I really feel that they are starting to make the games real cheap and making a killing on DLC.. they are more concerned about DLC then the actual game.. sorry if i don't make sense.. I haven't been to sleep yet lol..
 
Another thread dedicated to complaining about DLC, thanks guy.

Let me lay it out for you like this Nero in simplistic teenage terms.

Your dear old dad buys you a Ford Escort for your 16th birthday.
(Which I assume you just past very recently to create an account and immediately start insulting people around here)
You have to impress Sarah. The only way to do this is shiny aftermarket wheels, or DLC.
She looks at you and says "meh" not impressed.
So you move to the next logical batch of DLC, some boom boom.
If she's not impressed with my 20's, then I'll beat up her eardrums with some 12" subs.

Now you've got her laughing.
The next batch of DLC is a sweet neon kit to light up her heart. She will revel in your genius as you tear away from school with the neon reflecting off of chrome wheels, and the latest Nelly track rattling your trunk.

The final batch of DLC you realize you need is some Limo tint. You have to get those windows as dark as possible because you've just realized your riding around in an old Escort with 20 inch wheels, glowing green, etc etc etc.

DLC is here to stay, love it or leave it.
It comes in many different forms and variations throughout our lives.
 
Finduszip
I have the money I need. I'll buy it. You really are poor if you say they cost too much.
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I can afford a lot of stuff. Whether I buy it or not usually depends on a) need and b) value. If you don't think b) is important, lucky you - you might find you have "more money than sense", as my Gran used to say.

PS my major problem at the moment is that GT5 DLC tends to cause a) to override b), but I certainly would respect the opinions of those who think pd's offerings are a little overpriced.

PPS very funny post XXI!
 

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