DLC is ruining content of games

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I agree with OP with some parts, but I think its ok, if people want to spend cash, they can on whatever they like... anyways

my opinion on DLC that its ruining Online gameplay, the best game which does that is COD series, if 10 out of 100 people buy map packs, online gameplay for 90 people is ruined and they stop playing it since "you have fun playing with friends and then NEXT map is what you didnt buy" goodbye, and you get kick.

similar stuff may happen to GT series, if some superb cars will be be as DLC or some tracks, people who dont buy one may have huge disatvantage.. this far what I know is that you CAN play online tracks you dont have.. but this may change and if that happens then GT5 online would be ruined for most part of the players.

I do buy tracks anyways since they are very needed in GT5 due to small count of them.
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That's a good point. :dopey:👍

But the main reason why I stopped playing MW2 on PC was not the map thing, it was because the game was overfloated by aimbotters & the publisher was totally unable to patch it. :banghead:

Their problem, they have lost an customer. I haven't purchased any DLC for MW2. And because I couldn't sell the game (key locked to Steam), it was for sure the last CoD title I've purchased. :D


The other thing is patching bugs can create other bugs.

Not every time, but if you have incompetent programmers or they changing their staff like underwear (while the elite crew are working on the next title), then it's very likely possible crap happens.

Was the same on BC2, but they got the curve. Another good example is Steam, they are really one of the best. And I would say PD are doing as well a good job. 👍
 
I haven't read all 10 pages and apologise if this has been mentioned already...


DLC is meant to be what expansion discs where before internet hookup became an integral part of console gaming. the trouble arises in that DLC is being exploited by games developers to rip off the customer, and also encourages games developers to release unfinished games, release a few patches and then hit the customer with paid for content that would otherwise have been in the game....dunno what some of you guys call that, but i call that being ripped off.

With respects to GT5, this is even more pronounced because of the lack of content in 5's career mode. and also, the shouts for DLC started just a few weeks after the game had been released due to so little game content and so many replica cars in the game (10,000 MX5's, Skylines, RX7's and so on). even though Kaz had stated there would be no paid for DLC (then 1 can assume that patches and updates as well as all DLC would be free), PFDLC is now an integral part of GT5 because the man is not stupid...you have people screaming at you they want more content and cars (that should have been in the game in the first place, or patched in afterwards) and are willing to throw money at you to get it, as i said, the man is not stupid and will gladly take your cash with a big smile on his face.

Having said all that, i am MORE than willing to pay for content that expands the original game, something developed after the games initial release, but i am not willing to pay for something that should have been in the game from the start (such as a test track), or was going to be in the game from the start but for whatever reason was not included on the games release.


Gamers these days rely to much on DLC for a more complete gaming experience and because of this standards with regards to what they are willing to accept have dropped enormously.


Well, that's MHO.
 
drivingmeinsane
Having said all that, i am MORE than willing to pay for content that expands the original game, something developed after the games initial release, but i am not willing to pay for something that should have been in the game from the start (such as a test track), or was going to be in the game from the start but for whatever reason was not included on the games release.

Gamers these days rely to much on DLC for a more complete gaming experience and because of this standards with regards to what they are willing to accept have dropped enormously.


Well, that's MHO.
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I agree that I am willing to pay for "additional" content, such as new courses, etc., but I question whether anything "should have been in the game from the start." That, to me, is a subjective statement -- everyone has a different idea about what should have been included. That being said, I agree with the rest of your post.

Regarding the last paragraph about "Gamers these days"... I think that we are in a new era of gaming where the mega-producers are trying to figure out where they can maximize profits given the fact that most of us are continually online nowdays. Not that I'm against that. But it is good that we express our opinions online (and with our wallets) to express to them what WE want. Which, in my case, I would be willing to pay for more courses.

With respect to the OP, I say: "Reality sucks." If you don't like it, change it yourself. When I was a kid we had Pong. Look it up. The only reason we have GT5 is because some geeks decided they wanted to be rich and make moolah off their thousands of hours of writing code. God bless 'em, is what I say. If DLC sucked so bad, no one would buy it. People do, therefore it must not suck so bad. 💡
 
xnero: You should read more and hate less. Polyphony already said we will probably be getting dlc every two months. So we should be getting some more content this month. Your whining and ranting still ticks me off and makes NO sense to me. How is having the choice of adding more content to an existing game so horrible or bad for a game in ANY way? Games have been doing it since before online consoles were around and games haven't been hurt yet. What possible logic is there to paying a lot for a game, finishing it and then having it gather dust rather than breathing new life into it? Graphics and game engines are is good as they are going to be on the current consoles. There is NO NEED to make another version of the same game to soak people of their money when you can make new content, add-ons, missions etc. at lower prices and actually give people a CHOICE to buy them. If you're so devastated, and think you just have to better game technology, stop complaining, spend about 5 grand and game on the PC. The graphic technology is a lot more advanced and you're only limited by how much you're willing to spend.
 
xNeroZero
[...] That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.

Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.
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Thats Not True...

Yes they Create Content for their next Game in the Franchise and use DLC to Get Money without more work. They reduce the quality to fit it in GT5 for example. They earn twice.

But the Content cost a Lot. They have to Design the car in higher quality as the current console can Handle, ask for license, Pay the license, Record Car Sound,....

GT and the Forza Franchise have so much Content you can't Blame them.

Ridge Racer for Vita has only 4 Cars and 3 Tracks or something like that. Other Content will be released as DLC. This is sh**. And if every Company would do that i would be against DLC. Lucky they dont.

GT want more Money per Car and earn Money for Premium Upgrades that should be in the Game already in P Quality.

They also earn Money with Prologue etc. And this Version are Little ones.

Turn10 and PD have both their strategy to earn Money. Yes you can complain about both strategy, but in my oppinion the Content they deliver is Enough.

And some DLC Content was Not finished before the Game reached "Gold Status".

And i like New Content :)

xNeroZero
I hope there's no more DLC for this game, there can't be right? XL edition is out.
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Lol. Possible names for other editions After a few dlc.

For example:

GT5 -...

- ... The Real XL Edition
- ... XXL Edition
- ... Ultimate Edition
- ... Awesome Edition
- ... Specs 3 Edition
- ... Complete Edition
- ... GT 5.5

I like the First example :D
 
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What the OP considers a rip off, I consider a bargain. The DLC has extended the life of this game for me and I consider the cost of the additional content to be reasonable.

I hope there is more DLC for this game in the future ( I've read the news release about possible DLC every few months and I hope they follow through).
 
CDJW
xnero: You should read more and hate less. Polyphony already said we will probably be getting dlc every two months. So we should be getting some more content this month. Your whining and ranting still ticks me off and makes NO sense to me. How is having the choice of adding more content to an existing game so horrible or bad for a game in ANY way? Games have been doing it since before online consoles were around and games haven't been hurt yet. What possible logic is there to paying a lot for a game, finishing it and then having it gather dust rather than breathing new life into it? Graphics and game engines are is good as they are going to be on the current consoles. There is NO NEED to make another version of the same game to soak people of their money when you can make new content, add-ons, missions etc. at lower prices and actually give people a CHOICE to buy them. If you're so devastated, and think you just have to better game technology, stop complaining, spend about 5 grand and game on the PC. The graphic technology is a lot more advanced and you're only limited by how much you're willing to spend.
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+100,000,000. :D:tup: It's true, you mind as well let go the hatred of DLCs and deal with it. It's not going end and it'll never will be.

This is the future not the past anymore, I thought the same thing about DLCs ruining games but then realize what can I do, it keeps games freah and wanting people to come back to it, like how PD and Turn 10 does it. If developers abuses DLC well heck, okay that'll be going a bit far but yeah, DLC will never disappear.

So relax xNeroZero, and enjoy the DLCs while they still exist to this day. I still like PD's content, and lets how the March DLC will be like. You'll may love it too. :)
 
DLC's are good. When I played Black Ops, I played almost exclusively zombies. I got bored with it several times, but whenever a new zombies map came out, I dug it out of the game drawer and played it for another couple months. So, DLC's are a good thing, they can keep you playing the game for longer.
 
xNeroZero
I come to this site to see about updates to GT5, and every time I see an announcement for DLC. People go crazy for and buy it blindly with out even thinking. The thing that gets me the most is this recent update they're coming out with, and people are talking about what should be in the game via a DLC? What is that? Wait for GT6, because all these cars that you're buying in these "DLCs" are going to be on there. I know some people are going to post in here, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," or "The developers need the money, this is a great service that they're doing for us!" That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.

Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.
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I don't understand the point of this post. Your OPINION is that DLC is ruining games. Its an opinion.

This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.
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Yeah, there is obviously a market and a demand for this content. Its really a silly argument to make because we really don't know how much content would be included in the game and how much would be left out if they got rid of DLC.

You really should stop and compare the amount of content in games now compared to 20 years ago. It's not as if we are getting less content and they are raping us for a full game. Game content is bigger than ever before DLC. DLC is awesome in my opinion because its optional. I don't need it to have an awesome gaming experience. But, if i decide that the content looks great and the price is right i can buy it. It gives longevity to games and makes it more of an investment that i can continue to add on to my game for years to come. If you think it ruins gaming than simply just don't buy it...
 
I fail to see OP's reasoning. There wasn't time for it to be out into the game. Even if it should. You didn't buy the game because you didn't like it.

So you'd rather not have Spa and all the DLC cars and everything else, but you're not buying it anyway, so ruining for the rest of us? :boggled:
 
Cowboys965
I fail to see OP's reasoning. There wasn't time for it to be out into the game. Even if it should. You didn't buy the game because you didn't like it.

So you'd rather not have Spa and all the DLC cars and everything else, but you're not buying it anyway, so ruining for the rest of us? :boggled:
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Read the early pages in the thread, and you'll understand. There might be people that might agree with me and some that do agree. The fact is, DLC in general is becoming more common and ruining quality of games other than GT5. Basically what I'm saying, I don't want GT6 to become like Forza 4.
 
xNeroZero
Read the early pages in the thread, and you'll understand. There might be people that might agree with me and some that do agree. The fact is, DLC in general is becoming more common and ruining quality of games other than GT5. Basically what I'm saying, I don't want GT6 to become like Forza 4.
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DLC Ruins Nothing. Except in Ridge Racer Franchise.

GT and Forza deliver and have quality. DLC are a great Thing.

All Patches + SPEC2.0 + all DLC = GT6 in a Century without DLC, Patches.

You would spent 50€ instead of 0-30€.

1 Car cost about 1€.

Forza 4.

1 Car about 0,40€

About 25€ for 60+ Cars. Other racing Games only delivered 60 Cars for 60€.

In a Century without DLC you would Pay 50€ for Forza 4.5 or 5.

The companys would Release more Full Version to earn Money. DLC are a Good Thing, especially in GT, Forza, because those Games have huge Content.
 
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I disagree, partially.
I wouldn't compare it directly with games like a CoD, I think the price/value ratio is better.

Also, you have the option to choose between buying a full pack, or if you're only interested in one item select that. You're not "forced" to get an entire pack. Lastly, as a customer I'm satisfied with how they treat their players (always have been), unlike certain other games (uhum, CoD).

However, I agree about DLC in general, for whatever game (so not just GT5). I prefer paying once, for an entire game, and not pay again and again for something that is overpriced (if you compare it to all the content you got with the game).


I bought all the DLC for GT5, not blindly, but because I enjoy the game a lot and I like the content in general. I'm extremely happy with the Lamborghini Aventador and Spa-Francorchamps for example. I thought it was rather welcome as I play these games for several years, unlike pretty much any other game.
 
xNeroZero
The fact is, DLC in general is becoming more common and ruining quality of games other than GT5. Basically what I'm saying, I don't want GT6 to become like Forza 4.
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Aha lets See....

"Between" Version like i call it :P
PD does that with GT5 Prologue to earn Money. It cost about 20-35€ if i remind correct.

Forza Used Onlinepass for 20-35€ (about 60 Cars included) for Forza 4.

See? They do the Same Thing to earn Money. Turn10 delivered Content and PD made a "Between" Game.

So you complain about what? They have to do it, Otherwise they can't deliver this huge Content.

Do you really think Things would change? No company's want to earn Money.

Nothing would change it would be worse. Believe me :)

They would sell New Versions Like i mentioned earlier. Or sell more "Between" Games, or sell Demos, or deliver less Content.
 
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xnero: Your opinion is ridiculous and has NO basis in reality. In NO way has downloadable content ruined the quality of games. You have yet to show any proof of this irrational reasoning you seem to have. Game companies DO NOT make games of lesser quality just because they can make content later. Even if that were true it doesn't make the quality worse just a bit more expensive. Comparing prices with the quality of games now versus twenty years ago you easily see that even if a game were to cost 200 dollars today it would be a STEAL in comparison. Your point and opinion are both moot and nonsensical. Your statements are so ridiculous and inflammatory that it's obvious this was started as a troll thread and should be SHUT DOWN.

Funny how games are supposedly of "lesser quality" yet have millions of dollars thrown into their creation, real actors and deeper storytelling. Take a time machine back to the early 90's and play a few FPS and adventure games then come back so I can watch you beg to play even the worst game out this year because I guarantee even THAT game will destroy anything made back then. I had to live through it. I know.
 
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CDJW
xnero: Your opinion is ridiculous and has NO basis in reality. In NO way has downloadable content ruined the quality of games. You have yet to show any proof of this irrational reasoning you seem to have. Game companies DO NOT make games of lesser quality just because they can make content later. Even if that were true it doesn't make the quality worse just a bit more expensive. Comparing prices with the quality of games now versus twenty years ago you easily see that even if a game were to cost 200 dollars today it would be a STEAL in comparison. Your point and opinion are both moot and nonsensical.
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Ridge Racer Vita

The Game has 3-6 Cars and 3-6 Tracks or something like that. Other will be added as DLC.

But Most of the Games Out there use the DLC as a Addition and deliver Enough Content.

You can't complain about not Enough Content in GT or Forza.

I agree with you that "xnero" is wrong.
 
nb123
I'm hearing you and I believe that is a bad president that is being set. 👍
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I dont see anything wrong with adding content at a later date that, if people want, people can buy.
If a developer creates content, then keeps it aside for later sale as DLC, that is wrong, and I suspect happens alot with CoD among others.
 
While I think the OP's point is a valid one regarding most games today, I don't think it applies to GT5.

In GT5's case, only after a year had past since launch did PD start releasing DLC. First they perfected the game, and now they start selling us extra content.

I don't think this is bad for gaming, as this kind of DLC only works as a bonus, for players as well as developers. It is just a means for getting some extra revenue from a game that is still being played long after launch, while adding a little more longevity to it.

It is true, however, that most DLC for other games is merely an attempt to cash in on game's sales and hype at launch. Which is why it is released just after a week/month's time, regardless of existing bugs in the original game and when it should have been included from the start. EA is especially fond of this and TDU2 is also a prime example. The picture in the post above reflects this perfectly.

I just pray that PD doesn't go down that road with GT6.
 
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The real issue for me and my friends concerning DLC is simple, the game still has a lot of bugs , frozen screens etc etc., sure they have at last fixed the online bug to a workable level, but i think the game should be completely fixed then DLC should be added, this is the main point, they are working on DLC and not working on getting the game bug free first, and obviously this makes PD look like money grabbers.
At the end of the day all software house are under investors deadlines, so regardless if PD wanted to add somthing or not they may well not have had the time and so it becomes DLC which keeps the investors happy again, but to try to gain profit by coding DLC before fixing the existing code is the real sin for me.
 
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it is true, however, that most dlc for other games is merely an attempt to cash in on game's sales and hype at launch. Which is why it is released just after a week/month's time, regardless of existing bugs in the original game and when it should have been included from the start. Ea is especially fond of this and tdu2 is also a prime example. The picture in the post above reflects this perfectly.

I just pray that pd doesn't go down that road with gt6.
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