DLC Pricing Policies - your thoughts?

[axl54]

PD doesn't set them. That would be SCEA/SCEE/SCEI that would dictate what the prices would be.

Isn't Kaz on the board of Sony's computer entertainment division? iirc read it somewhere.
GT is PD's baby, and with Kaz's clout within the organization i would imagine they could decide on their own pricing policy.
Regardless, I don't think the pricing is too steep, (PD do make stunning premium cars after all), but they don't excite me at all so im going to pass on this one.

 

[LarryL]

It's the content tied to the price. You'd know that if you bothered to read through the last page or so, instead of writing up a redundant post that essentially puts you in the same idiotic position that vandaliser was in.

Ahhh, I see. That answers THAT question. Obviously you CAN'T express a thought without attacking. But the fact is, I already knew the answer to that. But back to your logic.

So, it's not the content and it's not the price........it's the content tied to the price?.......WTF are you carrying on about?! You are clearly insane. But then again you are from Brooklyn so I already knew that as well. How can you say it's not those 2 thing, but then say it's both of those things. Why say it's not those two things in the first place? These are the kinds of circles you're speaking in.

You don't like the content, and you don't like the price. Fair enough......why are you still carrying on? You don't like it?......Don't buy it. That's the point of DLC. If you feel the content is worth the money, buy it. If not.....don't. It's optional in case you're not clear on that. You STILL get the update, and when you race online you STILL will see the new DLC cars if people are using them. SO WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET?! You've been yelling about it for 3 days now FFS.

You aren't buying it. Conversation over for you. WHat else is there to say? It seems like you're trying to talk OTHER people out of buying it, or thinking it's worth it for them. Why would you do that? Are you getting money for every sale of GT5 DLC you prevent or something?

Regardless of whether YOU want it or not. The more people who DO support it means more of a chance more DLC will come and that's in your favor because maybe THOSE will be packs you'll like.

 

[Tenacious D]

Isn't Kaz on the board of Sony's computer entertainment division? iirc read it somewhere.
GT is PD's baby, and with Kaz's clout within the organization i would imagine they could decide on their own pricing policy.

Well, it doesn't generally work that way in Japan. They aren't really a democracy over there. There's still quite a warlord/underling pecking order in almost every aspect of the society. Kaz does have clout, but he knows the limit of his pull, and that SONY needs money, much more than Ninty and M$.

When PD gets more modelers, there's a possibility we'll end up with a Forza-ish DLC pattern, about half as often, but we'll have to see on that. Honestly, the only major things I want to see offered are track packs, such as the whole GT library of classic tracks we don't yet have. A handful of new cars every few months would suit me, but more than that, I want to see the Race Mod list expanded GREATLY, and more body kit options. And if not a Livery Editor, more and varied templates so we can make our own race cars like the Touring Car DLC.

I think even if the content were free, there would be an interesting discussion to be had as to why they chose those 4 cars in particular. Out of all the cars that they had available to them.

Well, we may never know what this "pool of assets" is. If they're focusing on those track packs, we may get a trickle of cars like this until the tracks are done. Tracks take a good number of months to finish, up to two years for something like Rome. As with all things GT, I guess we'll see. Merry Christmas.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

The fact that we're paying for it is the issue. The difference between $4 and $0.02 is nothing to anyone over the age of 12 unless you live in a third world country, so clearly the price isn't a problem as such. It's merely whether people want to pay anything for that content.

Some don't.

I think even if the content were free, there would be an interesting discussion to be had as to why they chose those 4 cars in particular. Out of all the cars that they had available to them.

You you know what I think? Even if they paid you for this download, you'd still be complaining. What this amounts to is creating a problem where one doesn't exist. I guess things are going a little too well at the moment for some people.

Gamers are the Jack Klompus of the entertainment world. If anyone is a fan of Seinfeld, you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[Terronium-12]

So price is the issue.

If you want to make the point that Kaz needs to hire more modelers, or not hold back so much content for GT6, or whatever your beef is, you really should say it directly instead of playing these vapid PMS games. And not say, "I SAID that six pages back. Can't you read?" You're really being grinchy for no good reason.

Show me where I inferred any of that. Please.

 

[Spagetti69]

And to reiterate, you guys paying more in other regions, that's mostly because you live in tax and fee happy countries, and I'm sorry about that. Vote for more frugal governments next time, and costs of everything should ease up a bit.

Your so funny sometimes.

 

[Imari]

You you know what I think? Even if they paid you for this download, you'd still be complaining.

Yes, I would. I love Gran Turismo. I want it to be the best racing game it can be, the best racing game that exists. It's not, and it's not anywhere near it.

I don't think that the franchise is well served by putting out DLC like this, and I will continue to campaign until I feel that the franchise is making improvements. I don't give up on the things I love, I work to try and help them.

Honestly, if people think two Golfs, a Mini and a Skyline is good DLC then more power to you. But in the long run, that's not going to cut it. If that's the best PD can do, the franchise is in trouble. You can say "give them more time" or whatever, but most companies tend to lead with their strongest content to try and draw customers early. That was Spa obviously, and now it would appear that the well is dry.

 

[Griffith500]

I am just concerned that they will charge £4 for the pack here in the UK which would make it more expensive than for the US folks... that is what usually happens, stick the same numbers in but change the currency sign.

Having said that, $1 per car isn't bad considering the work that goes into them!

Pricing is regional. If we were paying the same price as you, then I would be paying $6.21 cents (the current US to GBP exchange rate). You can't really expect them to adjust the prices on the PSN Store daily in accordance to the current market.

Going by the last lot (we paid 24% over the exchange rate), I'm expecting a price of about £3.20 - £3.50.
The prices are adjusted to the target currency / market, it's how you guarantee maximum sales / profit per region. 👍

 

[Terronium-12]

So, it's not the content and it's not the price........it's the content tied to the price?.......WTF are you carrying on about?! You are clearly insane. But then again you are from Brooklyn so I already knew that as well. How can you say it's not those 2 thing, but then say it's both of those things. Why say it's not those two things in the first place? These are the kinds of circles you're speaking in.

Okay, let me be as simplistic about this as I possibly can be: the price ($4) is not the issue as has been pointed out outright by several people already, okay? It's the content of the pack: a 2012 GT-R (a facelift of a GT-R already in the game with more horsepower and torque; Black Edition or not), a 2011 Mini Cooper S (a variant of a car already in the game), and the two VW's which you call new, the Scirocco is welcomed since I've wanted it from the beginning.

The point? The pack is underwhelming.

You don't like the content, and you don't like the price.

You'd have a point if I ever said either two of those things.

SO WHY ARE YOU SO UPSET?! You've been yelling about it for 3 days now FFS.

No, you're horribly misinformed, I'm hardly upset and I've yet to yell about anything. Only thing I've been doing in this thread was defending the point at which I stand, and doing away with words being put in my mouth.

You aren't buying it. Conversation over for you.

It would be if I ever said I wasn't buying it.

It seems like you're trying to talk OTHER people out of buying it, or thinking it's worth it for them.

Show me where I've done that. Show me where, in the entirety of this thread, I've (directly or indirectly) attempted to persuade someone from spending their own money.

Why would you do that? Are you getting money for every sale of GT5 DLC you prevent or something?

Why would you pull inane defense tactics from out of nowhere and attempt to use that against me as if I've ever done any of these outright ridiculous things you're accusing me of?

Regardless of whether YOU want it or not. The more people who DO support it means more of a chance more DLC will come and that's in your favor because maybe THOSE will be packs you'll like.

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out if you're serious or not. The first DLC - Also underwhelming (in terms of the vehicles which are essentially older cars already in the game dressed anew) but with the combination of everything else, despite all of the criticism I displayed (and still do to this day) I purchased it. You know why? Because despite what you, and anyone else voicing a problem against me wish to believe, I love Gran Turismo, and new content brought a bit of life back into it (and still is as I'm playing it more now than I have throughout the entire year). It's likely I'll end up doing the same with this DLC as well. One thing I'm not going to do is pretend to not have a problem with what's being released to appease you or anyone else for that matter.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I read "it doesn't feel like forced BAM buy the DLC" and "I like that we don't have to buy new DLC every month" and my hope for a rational discussion crawled into the bathtub and drowned itself.

Can't argue with people with double standards. Best of luck with that.

And you, again, completely missed the "" I placed around the "have to" (there I did it again). And you also completely seem to miss my other arguments (tracks playable online without buying the DLC, Karts playable in Arcade Mode without buying the DLC, free stuff for everyone with the DLC updates, no aggressive advertisement etc.). All of this stuff helps that it doesn't feel, to me, like the DLC is just there to earn more money. It feels like they are actually trying to provide new content.

I made the text bigger for you, so you don't miss anything this time.

 

[JDMKING13]

And you, again, completely missed the "" I placed around the "have to" (there I did it again). And you also completely seem to miss my other arguments (tracks playable online without buying the DLC, Karts playable in Arcade Mode without buying the DLC, free stuff for everyone with the DLC updates, no aggressive advertisement etc.). All of this stuff helps that it doesn't feel, to me, like the DLC is just there to earn more money. It feels like they are actually trying to provide new content.

I made the text bigger for you, so you don't miss anything this time.

I agree with you ace!

 

[CaptainHarlock]

Yes, I would. I love Gran Turismo. I want it to be the best racing game it can be, the best racing game that exists. It's not, and it's not anywhere near it.

I don't think that the franchise is well served by putting out DLC like this, and I will continue to campaign until I feel that the franchise is making improvements. I don't give up on the things I love, I work to try and help them.

Honestly, if people think two Golfs, a Mini and a Skyline is good DLC then more power to you. But in the long run, that's not going to cut it. If that's the best PD can do, the franchise is in trouble. You can say "give them more time" or whatever, but most companies tend to lead with their strongest content to try and draw customers early. That was Spa obviously, and now it would appear that the well is dry.

Ever hear the saying "You can't please everyone"? Maybe it should be "You can't please 'gamers'... at all!" You're not happy with it, and that's just it. YOU are not happy with it. If you're not happy with the download, fine. It's your right not to be happy with it. However, did you really think you were going to get Lambos, Ferraris, and Maseratis in EVERY download that came down the pipe? Of course not, and it would be rather foolish to believe so.

Personally, while not the greatest selection I do like the Scirocco, and four dollars is not a king's ransom.

If you don't like it then I can't say anything to change your mind. Bear in mind though, nobody is twisting your arm to buy it. If you do buy it, then you've voted with your dollars.

 

[ENTERSANDMAN13]

By buying the dlc , just means ill have to skip lunch for a day. No big deal.

 

[axl54]

Ever hear the saying "You can't please everyone"? Maybe it should be "You can't please 'gamers'... at all!" You're not happy with it, and that's just it. YOU are not happy with it. If you're not happy with the download, fine. It's your right not to be happy with it. However, did you really think you were going to get Lambos, Ferraris, and Maseratis in EVERY download that came down the pipe? Of course not, and it would be rather foolish to believe so.

Personally, while not the greatest selection I do like the Scirocco, and four dollars is not a king's ransom.

If you don't like it then I can't say anything to change your mind. Bear in mind though, nobody is twisting your arm to buy it. If you do buy it, then you've voted with your dollars.

It would be nice to get Lambos Ferraris, ......RUFS etc in any download.
Why give the guy grief for expressing his opinion ?
It dosen't chime with yours, but this is a forum after all , and as such, lots of differing views
should be a given.

 

[Grimmeh]

Someone else made this comment: Matchbox and Hot Wheels are $1 each. We’re getting more than that for less. The only people that complain about this are the kids that don’t have a credit card or $5 to spare.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

It would be nice to get Lambos Ferraris, ......RUFS etc in any download.
Why give the guy grief for expressing his opinion ?
It dosen't chime with yours, but this is a forum after all , and as such, lots of differing views
should be a given.

As Neil Young once said, if you put it out there, then I can take a shot at that anytime I want to.

It's a two way street. Nobody is asking for anyone's opinion. If you're displaying it for all the world to see, then don't be surprised if someone else questions it.

 

[TCSdisable]

To topic creator

Send to there and make sure Mr.Ooi not follow your ticket 👍

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[Samus]

However, did you really think you were going to get Lambos, Ferraris, and Maseratis in EVERY download that came down the pipe? Of course not, and it would be rather foolish to believe so.
.

They haven't been in any download yet and as someone else says with DLC you tend to put out your best stuff first, as they did with Spa but with the RM cars in pack 1 and just these four cars in pack 2 that says to me that PD don't have any big guns in the car department.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Nothing in life is truly free. Everything comes at a cost even if the cost is hidden in some way. One of the great lies of the democratic socialist style of thinking is that you can get stuff for free. You can't, someone always pays for it.

I have no problem paying for content be it cars or tracks or paints or whatever. I look at it two ways. If I find value in it for the money I'll buy it. Or, if the price is so low, I consider it a no-brainer, don't care what's in it and I'll buy it. $4 definitly fits into the no-brainer category.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

They haven't been in any download yet and as someone else says with DLC you tend to put out your best stuff first, as they did with Spa but with the RM cars in pack 1 and just these four cars in pack 2 that says to me that PD don't have any big guns in the car department.

They haven't captured any of the "big guns"? They're already IN the game. Or have you not played it... oh EVER? The only thing they can really do is put some classic 60's models in. An Aston Martin DB6-6 or 1977 V8 Vantage would be sweet though.

I think some don't have enough going wrong in their lives, so now this is an "issue" that they've made up. all so they can be "outraged gamers" about it. There really isn't a whole lot "wrong" with the game as currently constituted, so it's only natural that some would have to create a reason to complain.

And for those who are STILL complaining about the price, this one goes out to you. A portrait of a financially concerned "gamer" ;

 

[Samus]

They haven't captured any of the "big guns"? They're already IN the game. Or have you not played it... oh EVER? The only thing they can really do is put some classic 60's models in. An Aston Martin DB6-6 or 1977 V8 Vantage would be sweet though.

The only thing? What about the raft of Ferrari's, Lamborghini's and other models not in the game, 2010-2012 models? Gumperts, Radicals, there is a huge raft of 'big guns' they could have added as DLC.

 

[Tenacious D]

Yes, but you're assuming that they have those car models licensed, made and sitting around and are keeping them to themselves, or are saving them for things like Ferrari Packs or something. Or could have.

See, the problem is that none of us know what PD has lying around on their hard drives. But another problem is that a lot of people are making a lot of assumptions about what's going on or not going on at PD. All I know for certain is that these are the cars they've made available at this point. And these are cars I'm going to be buying. Whatever you all do, whatever. Merry Christmas.

Your so funny sometimes.

Your too. But I'm glad your on top of the reasons why there are riots in Greece, Spain, Portugal, England etc. I'd be keen to read your op ed's on that sometime.

 

[NeoXenzaka]

Clarification:
This is not about whether or not the DLC costs $1.99 or $29.99. It is about the fact that the DLC costs anything alone that holds to being an issue. We just paid for content last month! Do they truly need more money a month later and is this a trend they plan to continue?

• I for one do not want a trend where every month I spend between $3.00 - $10.00 just to have the latest and greatest things.
• Cars that are not special edition or limited edition should be added for free. How dare to charge us for four cars when the game offers more than 1,000.
• Fukushima has nothing to do with this topic, please this has nothing to do with PD and nuclear reactors (just to clarify). Although much sympathy is held, it is off topic.
• It's a lot like santa urinating down our backs, and meanwhile he's tell us it's rain!

Again...I love GT5, and the GT series. I have respect for both the series and the current game. I also have respect for the creator and the team. But I do not have respect for "robbing" loyal customers, players and gamers. Whatever you decide to call them. It's frustrating to spend so much time on a game or series, and then this is what the demigods give us: no true reward for playing so long, no rewards for respecting the team or company or game, nope just more crap for consumers to buy. I thought this game was all about the purity of cars and driving. Not "cheddar making" (money making).

 

[NeoXenzaka]

These guys (PD) is going to bank anywhere from 1.5-3 MILLION dollars off of......................................................four cars.

 

[AMS97F1]

Will £3.70 be enough to buy this?

 

[NeoXenzaka]

7.3 million copies sold.
lets just pretend only 1.5 million had internet access
and only .7 million purchased DLC in the first month

4 * 700 000 = 2 800 000

you figure sony gets residuals for being on the PS store but overall you're looking at

2.8 million if 700,000 people purchase 4 f&*&ing cars from DLC. whaaaaaaaaaaaaat.


2.8 Million dollars (in U.S. money) is 700,000 people (in America) purchase the DLC at $3.99


Think about these figures and look how much they are taking advantage of us.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

These guys (PD) is going to bank anywhere from 1.5-3 MILLION dollars off of......................................................four cars.

Have you never heard of DLC before now? Go to the PS Store and look around. It's everywhere, and it all costs money. That's just the nature of the gaming industry now. While I do believe this is a rather uninspiring DLC, I have seen less for more money in other games' DLC.

 

[Tenacious D]

@ Neo

We geddit.

You don't want to pay for content.

Well, don't.

Merry Christmas.

 

[1241Penguin]

7.3 million copies sold.
lets just pretend only 1.5 million had internet access
and only .7 million purchased DLC in the first month

4 * 700 000 = 2 800 000

you figure sony gets residuals for being on the PS store but overall you're looking at

2.8 million if 700,000 people purchase 4 f&*&ing cars from DLC. whaaaaaaaaaaaaat.


2.8 Million dollars (in U.S. money) is 700,000 people (in America) purchase the DLC at $3.99


Think about these figures and look how much they are taking advantage of us.

In what way are they taking advantage of us?

What kind of company would want to release some sort of product without getting any sort of benefit to themselves?

 

[Samus]

Yes, but you're assuming that they have those car models licensed, made and sitting around and are keeping them to themselves, or are saving them for things like Ferrari Packs or something. Or could have.

I'm not assuming anything, I was just clarifying that the current roster of cars is by no means complete, there are plenty of big name cars they COULD add. I think it's pretty obvious that they won't after what they have given us, is my original point.

Not everyone likes them but Supercars/exotics are the most popular type of car going on average, PD knows they could sell that sort of stuff by the bucketload so surely would have already done so if they had the assets.