Do Mods in GT5 really Represent real world mods?

CSLACR
600 Miles at 900HP not reliable enough?
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How about 7-900HP for 24 hours?
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What do purpose-built racing engines with exotic, custom-built, forged internals that cost houses to construct and which require total rebuilds every few races have to do with street motors with weedy connecting rods, thin-walled blocks and butter-soft gaskets making four times the power they were designed for?

EDIT: Okay, not houses... more like the cost of an entire car... :lol:

EDIT2: Mind you, some of the tuning stages in GT5 are ridiculously overpriced, considering you can buy a crate racing engine by the time you get a full complement of Stage 2 mods. But still... street engine =/= race engine. And yes, some people do spend ridiculous amounts of money trying to figure out how much (or how little) power a street engine can hold.
 
niky
What do purpose-built racing engines with exotic, custom-built, forged internals that cost houses to construct and which require total rebuilds every few races have to do with street motors with weedy connecting rods, thin-walled blocks and butter-soft gaskets making four times the power they were designed for?

EDIT: Okay, not houses... more like the cost of an entire car... :lol:

EDIT2: Mind you, some of the tuning stages in GT5 are ridiculously overpriced, considering you can buy a crate racing engine by the time you get a full complement of Stage 2 mods. But still... street engine =/= race engine. And yes, some people do spend ridiculous amounts of money trying to figure out how much (or how little) power a street engine can hold.
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I know, but the point remains, it can be done.
I'm not saying random drivers can do it, but hell, let's check our GT5 wallets, I think we should be able to get it done.

Plus I never said needing to pay to rebuild motors is a bad thing, and I don't mean GT5's standard of 3,000 miles or 5,000km, whichever it is.
I'd also like to buy tires by the set, and some form of (at least) a rough estimated price for modifications. (Sponsorship deals, anyone?)
But I'd be damned if I spent $20,000 on a new "high rpm turbo" that only pushed my STI up 60HP.:yuck: (IRL)
 
niky
While it sucks not having 1000 horsepower GT-Rs and Supras to play around with... realistically, such cars aren't reliable on the racetrack. A "tuner car" with about 1000 horses will hold together for multiple drag passes with cool-down periods in-between, or for two or three hot laps (one, if you're unlucky)... but at extreme power levels, things break while racing (Time Attack cars rarely have more than 600 hp... the fastest American time-attack car, the Sierra Sierra Evo, has an estimated 600 whp, but that's fully built, and stripped a gearbox during the loss to Tarzan at the World Time Attacks a month or two ago).
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So, why not let us build extreme time attack cars. The game even had a mode called time attack. Or at least it did, I honestly play so little single player that I don't remember if that is what free run offline is still called. OK they might not always make it, but it's still plausible. In fact I remember Car and Driver having a 15,000 hp shoot out or something (the added horsepower summed to that number). A bunch of street legal 800+ hp cars going all out on the drag strip and the track.

I also agree with CSLACR. You can build a reliable megaHP engine. It might mean spending race car money on your engine and transmission alone, but we should still be allowed to do it. It's not like GT has set such a high standard for realistic tuning that they're not letting us do it because they can't simulate it right. I don't see it being any less accurate than what he have now.


I think this is the test.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/supercar-challenge-comparison-tests

I do believe some cars did breakdown, but the majority held up, including some of the 700+ hp cars.


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Wow, 2004 is so long ago. These cars are all tuners, but they seemed way more powerful back then. Now that I'm reading it I'm thinking where is the horsepower?
 
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If your gunna lie on the internet at least say its your car, if your sister put a cop into a pole i hope she is in a wheel chair(or worse i really hope) now, a wheel chair that goes 300mph

I miss my 900hp 3000gt.
 
Spoil-t
Haters gonna hate. We live in America. We use REAL speed measurements. MPH all the way.

Here's another one to hate on. My sis has a heavily modified Geo Metro that does 170MPH in 6th.
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We get a great many members making claims such as this and unfortunately we have had a good number attempting to mislead (which is an AUP offence).

As such proof is required, please verify this by write your username on a sheet of paper or cardboard, and then take a picture of the car with your username clearly displayed.

Once you have the shot (and keep in mind this is two cars worth of claim you are making) post them in this thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61433&highlight=ludicrous+claim


Thank you


Scaff
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
Also, what other scenarios like these^ can you all think of?
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Well it's not exactly like this, but somewhat similar. I bought a Mazda Atenza (the premium) and modified it so that the performance would match the Kia Cee'd (thank God for detailed specifications on the internet). Then I painted it brown and went for the test track.

Some things couldn't be modified exactly like the Cee'd, the gearbox for instance, and also the size of the car... Also hard to tell what the suspension of the Kia Cee'd is like compared to the Atenza, so I just made it softer in a general fashion. Can't tell how the performance was compared to the Cee'd, I guess I have to wait until I become a celebrity in UK for that, but the lap times are pretty consistent with what the celebrities produce so in my imagination this Atenza is now a Cee'd.
 
Spoil-t
Haters gonna hate. We live in America. We use REAL speed measurements. MPH all the way.

Here's another one to hate on. My sis has a heavily modified Geo Metro that does 170MPH in 6th.
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Haha... and Km/h is not "REAL" then? Is it a fictional way of measuring speed? Yeah and MPH are the most accurate of measuring speed... lol what is it, EXACTLY in meters then?... 👍
Somehow most of the world use Km/h or m/s... 💡 they're made up are they?
 
maciej908
Haha... and Km/h is not "REAL" then? Is it a fictional way of measuring speed? Yeah and MPH are the most accurate of measuring speed... lol what is it, EXACTLY in meters then?... 👍
Somehow most of the world use Km/h or m/s... 💡 they're made up are they?
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Spoil-T is showing the ignorance of a typical american.
 
White & Nerdy
I resent that. Also, American is supposed to be capitalized, being as it is a proper noun.
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Okay, I could care less what you think. Americans' are generally associated as being ignorant. Canadians' just point out the truth.

No, mods in GT5 don't really represent real world mods. They represent modifications that allow you to tune your car to a realistic amount of power, thus attempting to limit the ability of the user to downright dominate the ai (This isn't really achieved though.)
 
VANDENAL
Okay, I could care less what you think. Americans' are generally associated as being ignorant. Canadians' just point out the truth.

No, mods in GT5 don't really represent real world mods. They represent modifications that allow you to tune your car to a realistic amount of power, thus attempting to limit the ability of the user to downright dominate the ai (This isn't really achieved though.)
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So much fail, wow

Sadly my Acadian heritage originated in Canada but comments from Vandenhal make me want to thank the Brtitsh for their ethnic cleansing of my descendants in the 1700s...

The GT5 mods loosely represent real world mods but are vastly dumbed down for simplicity. It's not as simple as just bolting on a turbo to get more HP. You would need to adjust a myriad of other systems (fuel system, air intake, tranny in some cases, maybe exhaust, etc) - however, I think they got it right in terms of having enough non-engine mods to make the game a good simulation - I'd rather have tranny, suspensions, LSD, and brake mod capability instead of every little engine mod available. Of course, this is all my opinion on cars which is based on un-professional experience (I'm not a race car driver!)

And Vandenhal, please keep your generalized comments about race, nation, religion, or whatever to yourself.
 
VANDENAL
Okay, I could care less what you think. Americans' are generally associated as being ignorant. Canadians' just point out the truth.
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2700 posts is a lot for a troll. I do wonder if in any of those 2700 posts you've ever used proper grammar.

If you have the ability to care less, as indicated by your statement, "I could care less," it means you care.

An apostrophe indicates ownership.
Example: This is the American's passport.

When following an S, the apostrophe indicates ownership when the base word already ends in an S.
Example: This is Mr. Davis' car.

As is an article used in comparisons, similar to how like may be used.
Example: They are as ignorant as has been suggested.

With means accompanied by. It is not used when comparing similar things, but instead used when applying specific traits or affiliations to a subject.
Example: I have been associated with hard work by all of my managers.

Your statement broken down, reads as follows:

Americans (plural) have ownership of "are generally associated similar to being ignorant."

In the sentence, Americans are the subject. Or to put it more plainly; Americans are what the sentence is about. You have indicated that they own an object. In the sentence, the object is are generally associated as being ignorant which we now know translates to are generally associated similar to being ignorant. Objects are traditionally nouns and not sentence fragments.

We can now determine the proper structure of your statement;

Okay, I couldn't care less about what you think. Americans are generally associated with ignorance. Canadians just tell it how it is.
 
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A point... at Daytona, Indianapolis, and Talladega NASCAR run 500hp roughly. Other tracks they run unrestricted.

Also LMP's are not as powerful in real life as in GT.

I posted this a while back on a thread:


Car (REAL LIFE HP / GT5 HP)

Audi R8 '01 (610 / 822)
Audi R8 '05 (520 / 818)
Bentley Speed 8 (615 / 814)
BMW V12 LMR (580 / 764)
Pescarolo Courage-Judd GV5 (600 / 770)
Pescarolo C60 Hybride (660 / 905 with over 1000 possible)
Pescarolo Courage C60 Peugeot ((510 / 828)
Peugeot 908 (700 / 725)
Toyota GT-One (600 / 803)
 
Spoil-t
Haters gonna hate. We live in America. We use REAL speed measurements. MPH all the way.

Here's another one to hate on. My sis has a heavily modified Geo Metro that does 170MPH in 6th.
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If I had the option, I would delete this comment from this thread, honestly.
How Ignorant can a guy really be. "We use REAL speed measurements" If it were the only REAL measurement of speed, the rest of the world wouldn't be using Kilometers per Hour. Metric Units ALL make more sence then Imperial. For instance, 12 inches = 1 foot, how does that make sence, where is the importance of 12. In metric, 100cm equal 1 meter, 1000 Meters = 1 Kilometer. All measurements relate to eachother, unlike imperial they all relate. Pretty mucht the reason being the Rest of the Advancing World Uses it. I will even go further to say, metric temperature measurements make more sence as well: 0 degrees Celsius is the freezing point of water. 100 degrees is boiling point. 0 and 100 are both numbers of importance. i garruntee, your boiling and freezing points, have irrelevent numbers like 34 and 143. Just saying.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
well said, and highly agreeable. 👍
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Behold, ignorance!

Believe it or not, this is the first time I've seen someone say they were superior because of their system of measurements. I hope it's the last.

Your second post is borderline unreadable, and the boiling & freezing points are 212 and 32, not 34 and 143.
 
@Bones Brigade: The majority of my posts are gramatically correct. I am not a troll, Mr. Coolfiat was a troll. I have ADHD, the attention span of a five year old, and I am agitated. Thanks for the grammar lesson, but I know how to write. @Toronado: I said ignorance, I did not mention hypocrisy, which I exhibited. @MOTORTRENDmitch: You reside in London, Ontario? Nice, I live in Chatham.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
If I had the option, I would delete this comment from this thread, honestly.
How ignorant can a guy really be? "We use REAL speed measurements." If it were the only REAL measurement of speed, the rest of the world wouldn't be using kilometers per hour. Metric units ALL make more sense than imperial. For instance, 12 inches = 1 foot. How does that make sense? Where is the importance of 12? In metric, 100cm equals 1 meter, 1000 meters = 1 kilometer. All measurements relate to each other, unlike imperial where they do not. That's pretty much the reason being the rest of the advancing world uses it. I will even go further to say, metric temperature measurements make more sense as well; 0 degrees Celsius is the freezing point of water, 100 degrees is the boiling point. 0 and 100 are both numbers of importance. I guarantee your boiling and freezing points, have irrelevant numbers like 34 and 143. Just saying.
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I wish the US used the metric system. It really doesn't make any sense that we created this whole new system for measurement. What in the heck was the point?

However, there are a few issues with your post. The Imperial system is a British system developed in the early 19th Century. The United States uses the US Customary System with measurements mostly being defined prior to the establishment of the Imperial system. However, the US and UK (as well as other current and former British commonwealths) have since agreed to use equal standards and units in many of the measurements. I have also edited your post above so it fits the GTP AUP. You had numerous punctuation, capitalization, sentence structure, and spelling errors which are not tolerated on GTP. Feel free to read through my edit of your post to familiarize yourself with what is acceptable.

VANDENAL
@Bones Brigade: The majority of my posts are gramatically correct. I am not a troll, Mr. Coolfiat was a troll. I have ADHD, the attention span of a five year old, and I am agitated.
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You called Americans ignorant and became agitated? Explain.

And there are 2 m's in grammar.
 
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@Bones Brigade: Okay, I messed up that one :lol:. I've been playing too much Madden NFL 12 with the kicker whose last name is Gramatica. And I was agitated before that original post saying that Spoil-t represented the stereotype that "Americans are Ignorant" because of what he said regarding 'REAL measurements of speed'. Which is why I sounded like a jerk.
 
VANDENAL
@Bones Brigade: Okay, I messed up that one :lol:. I've been playing too much Madden NFL 12 with the kicker whose last name is Gramatica. And I was agitated before that original post saying that Spoil-t represented the stereotype that "Americans are Ignorant" because of what he said regarding 'REAL measurements of speed'. Which is why I sounded like a jerk.
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They are real measurements.
 
If people can't play nice, they will be getting further knocks on the door from mods bearing bad news.
 
BACK ON TOPIC

I would love a more representative turbo tuning system. Whilst having low power = low range torque, mid power = mid range torque, etc. is lovely, I'd prefer 3 or maybe 4 turbo stages that give proportional power gains, and then the ability to adjust the power and torque bands in a seperate tuning menu
 
MrMulsanne
A point... at Daytona, Indianapolis, and Talladega NASCAR run 500hp roughly. Other tracks they run unrestricted.

Also LMP's are not as powerful in real life as in GT.

I posted this a while back on a thread:


Car (REAL LIFE HP / GT5 HP)

Audi R8 '01 (610 / 822)
Audi R8 '05 (520 / 818)
Bentley Speed 8 (615 / 814)
BMW V12 LMR (580 / 764)
Pescarolo Courage-Judd GV5 (600 / 770)
Pescarolo C60 Hybride (660 / 905 with over 1000 possible)
Pescarolo Courage C60 Peugeot ((510 / 828)
Peugeot 908 (700 / 725)
Toyota GT-One (600 / 803)
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I quote again...
 
MrMulsanne
I quote again...
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This is why I run in lower PP rooms. Tuning as it applies to power adders and overall engine tuning is very poor. Lower PP means less reliance on the tuning portion of the game. Unless of course you're building up a really low powered car. I can build a competitive car with suspension and drivetrain components without depending on a faulty power system.
 
It's limited overall, and the power increase given by individual parts is way off. Air filters don't add 40+hp when clamped on to a naturally aspirated engine, putting five figures into your turbo setup will yield much better results in real life, it's impossible to tell what the actual spring rates and ride height are, and you are incredibly limited in the aerodynamic department. They're still using the upgrade system that was put on the table 19 years ago. The only change is now you can upgrade all of your cars in one spot (remember having to select countries and individual dealerships?), and there are less parts. The modification aspect of this game, if unchanged, will prevent me from buying GT6. I don't want a driving simulator that's only realistic for stock cars, seeing as racing with a stock vehicle is so incredibly rare in-game. Is it really a simulator at this point?
 
Raven_WET01
It's limited overall, and the power increase given by individual parts is way off. Air filters don't add 40+hp when clamped on to a naturally aspirated engine, putting five figures into your turbo setup will yield much better results in real life, it's impossible to tell what the actual spring rates and ride height are, and you are incredibly limited in the aerodynamic department. They're still using the upgrade system that was put on the table 19 years ago. The only change is now you can upgrade all of your cars in one spot (remember having to select countries and individual dealerships?), and there are less parts. The modification aspect of this game, if unchanged, will prevent me from buying GT6. I don't want a driving simulator that's only realistic for stock cars, seeing as racing with a stock vehicle is so incredibly rare in-game. Is it really a simulator at this point?
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This is incredibly valid and I think overlooked by many. It remains a driving simulator but removing the driving aspect also removes the simulation aspect. The two have to be together to be accurate.
 
VANDENAL
@Bones Brigade: The majority of my posts are gramatically correct. I am not a troll, Mr. Coolfiat was a troll. I have ADHD, the attention span of a five year old, and I am agitated. Thanks for the grammar lesson, but I know how to write. @Toronado: I said ignorance, I did not mention hypocrisy, which I exhibited. @MOTORTRENDmitch: You reside in London, Ontario? Nice, I live in Chatham.
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Lol I just finished readinv your gear grinder about this. I don't blame you.
 

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