Do we need a track editor?

[Seismica]

I just want PD to confirm whether it is or is not in the game. It has been leaked and mentioned so many times and its building up so much hype, if they just come out and say it isn't going to be in the game now, it will save them a lot of trouble later when they get the angry backlash from certain fans about something they promised, when infact its just they never bothered to deny it.

When is PDs next public appearence? Anyone got any news?

 

[bullie77]

I just want PD to confirm whether it is or is not in the game. It has been leaked and mentioned so many times and its building up so much hype, if they just come out and say it isn't going to be in the game now, it will save them a lot of trouble later when they get the angry backlash from certain fans about something they promised, when infact its just they never bothered to deny it.

When is PDs next public appearence? Anyone got any news?

What promise? If it is, accordingly to your own words, a "leak" originating this hype about it, what have PD "promised" regarding a track editor?

 

[MatskiMonk]

I love the idea, but only if it was powerful and yet simple enough to use that people would be able to turn out some good tracks - but as has been said above - I'd expect lots of really half-arsed novelty tracks, and bad copies of real tracks.

Only way I see it working is if they release a track editor application for the PC, that gave us full control of everything, but without any really accurate 3D modelling skills being required.

In my youth I used to create lots of .wads (levels) for DooM on the PC, it was great, I spent more time making than playing! But that was good because a) they were simpler times, and b) between 4 utils you could basically acheive everything the guys that developed the game could achieve... but times have moved on, PD has a room(s) full of people who's full-time job it is to model stuff, they visit tracks, take photo's, use GPS, then model basically from scratch using really expensive computers and software. I just really doubt people could even meet the standard of GT 3 tracks, let alone the detail in GT5.

I'd rather a track or two via DLC every month!

 

[TokyoDrift]

The more I think about it, the more excited I get about the possibilities a track editor could create.

The more I think about it, the more I think one is not needed for launch. Make it an add-on later, if at all.

 

[Whistle Snap]

Rally stage creator 👍

I hope it's a realistic version of Mod Nation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tyk3CC3vyyg

 

[Seismica]

What promise? If it is, accordingly to your own words, a "leak" originating this hype about it, what have PD "promised" regarding a track editor?

Read again.

I said (or meant to say) that the fact they havn't denied it leads to people to draw conclusions "Oh it must be in the game because they never denied it". If they just came out and said 'it will not be in the game despite these rumours' then these threads would stop, the discussion of a track editor would stop, instead it would be added to the wishlist for GT6 and PD would get not abuse about not delivering it in GT5. Everybody wins.

Unless PD are playing a very silly marketing strategy, i will only assume that they have some sort of Track editor underway. But like the weather simulation it is still in the works and they don't want to promise anything. But it would be better if they denied it up until the point they put it in the game, rather than giving 'no comment'

 

[bullie77]

I've read it several times, and still my questions maintain. Simply because you are, as many others, assuming that the fact that PD is not denying a rumour is plausible cause to one believe that there is some real basis for that rumour. You are reflecting on PD's attitude "what you would do if you were on their shoes" and drawing your conclusions over they are doing differently.

Imagine if PD had to deny all the rumours about GT5. Probably they would have to employ some specially for that, because there are so many that he would have not the time to do anything else.

If I spread the rumour on the web that GT5 will feature WTCC, F1, and full WRC calendar championships why should they have to rush and deny it? It's a rumour and that's it. You'll buy it if you want to but if it reveals to be untrue when the game is launched there's no reason at all why any should complaint about it. PD never have state or implied that it would be fitted in the game.

Imagine your football team have to deny every rumoured transfer that is mentioned on the media or in the pub...

 

[Sturdy]

You'll buy it if you want to but if it reveals to be untrue when the game is launched there's no reason at all why any should complaint about it. PD never have state or implied that it would be fitted in the game.

@bullie77: I think part of Seismica's concern is that although you're correct and there's no reason why anyone should complain, a lot of people will complain, because the rumours they read over and over turn out to be just rumours.

@Seismica: Although you have a valid point, the problem is, if PD reply to this rumour and say 'it's not true', then the fact that they haven't replied 'it's not true' to all the other rumours would make people think 'ah, so it must be true...'

It's the same position Sony take, answer the same way to everything, 'no comment'. It's the only way they can avoid giving anything away.

 

[Seismica]

I've read it several times, and still my questions maintain. Simply because you are, as many others, assuming that the fact that PD is not denying a rumour is plausible cause to one believe that there is some real basis for that rumour. You are reflecting on PD's attitude "what you would do if you were on their shoes" and drawing your conclusions over they are doing differently.

Imagine if PD had to deny all the rumours about GT5. Probably they would have to employ some specially for that, because there are so many that he would have not the time to do anything else.

If I spread the rumour on the web that GT5 will feature WTCC, F1, and full WRC calendar championships why should they have to rush and deny it? It's a rumour and that's it. You'll buy it if you want to but if it reveals to be untrue when the game is launched there's no reason at all why any should complaint about it. PD never have state or implied that it would be fitted in the game.

Imagine your football team have to deny every rumoured transfer that is mentioned on the media or in the pub...

I analysed the situation, made my point that people will fall for a possible hoax and that PD/Sony arn't helping the situation. If they have to time to say 'no comment' They could have spent an extra few seconds to say 'no, it will not be in GT5'.

You seem to have the same mindset as me on the subject, it is a rumour nothing more, but we cannot rule it out either until it is confirmed either way by Polyphony Digital themselves. The 'no comment' reply that Sony gave on the subject could mean anything. But if PD were much clearer and give out a bit more info we could do away with a lot of this pointless speculation.

 

[Sturdy]

The 'no comment' reply that Sony gave on the subject could mean anything. But if PD were much clearer and give out a bit more info we could do away with a lot of this pointless speculation.

The fact that it could mean anything is the whole point.

What do you propose they do, answer 'no, it's not in the game' to every rumour that's false, and then answer 'no comment' to any that are true? That's just not going to work...

They have to answer the same way to every rumour, otherwise they will give stuff away. It's that simple.

So, they can either confirm every rumour is true and disappoint everyone.

Answer that all rumours are false, and destroy any expectations for the game.

Answer no comment to everything, and let people speculate, and only those that are unfortunate enough to buy into the rumours will be let down.

 

[bullie77]

You seem to have the same mindset as me on the subject, it is a rumour nothing more, but we cannot rule it out either until it is confirmed either way by Polyphony Digital themselves. The 'no comment' reply that Sony gave on the subject could mean anything. But if PD were much clearer and give out a bit more info we could do away with a lot of this pointless speculation.

Yes I share the same opinion you do, that the game isn't going to have a track editor. However, I disagree from you when you say that they should denied clearly instead of the "no comment" declaration. Why? Because if I was in their shoes I would probably do the same. This kind of hype is free-advertisement for the game. And considering that and the fact that "there's no such thing as bad publicity", I would imagine that this is something that would in fact be positive for PD - it keeps the game in peoples mouth while its not lauched.

 

[TheCracker]

I analysed the situation, made my point that people will fall for a possible hoax and that PD/Sony arn't helping the situation. If they have to time to say 'no comment' They could have spent an extra few seconds to say 'no, it will not be in GT5'.

You seem to have the same mindset as me on the subject, it is a rumour nothing more, but we cannot rule it out either until it is confirmed either way by Polyphony Digital themselves. The 'no comment' reply that Sony gave on the subject could mean anything. But if PD were much clearer and give out a bit more info we could do away with a lot of this pointless speculation.

Even if GT5 comes out without a track editor, the whole idea of GT5 having one came from a reliable source with access to insider information. The information about the possibility of a track editor is probably 6 or 7 months old now. It's quite possible that at the time, PD were developing and evaluating it alongside other features, that may or may not eventually end up GT5.

 

[Seismica]

Even if GT5 comes out without a track editor, the whole idea of GT5 having one came from a reliable source with access to insider information.

Which is why i think they should have been straight as to whether this particular rumour was true or not.

Unlike the various rumours about porsche being confirmed, this one came from a relatively reliable source (at least the original rumours did like you said). Which is why PD will probably get some stick for it when it turns out not to be in the game, they could have just said something like "We were considering it but we decided to focus on other features of the game we feel are more important" Rather than "No comment", as it would have quashed rumours while still keeping up the hype about other features that are rumoured. But thats the way it is, PD are keeping us guessing.

The fact that it could mean anything is the whole point.

What do you propose they do, answer 'no, it's not in the game' to every rumour that's false, and then answer 'no comment' to any that are true? That's just not going to work...

They have to answer the same way to every rumour, otherwise they will give stuff away. It's that simple.

So, they can either confirm every rumour is true and disappoint everyone.

Answer that all rumours are false, and destroy any expectations for the game.

Answer no comment to everything, and let people speculate, and only those that are unfortunate enough to buy into the rumours will be let down.

Well to rumours with questionable sources, 'no comment' is fine. But a rumour than originates from a fairly relaible source should be dealt with explicitly, rather than with the generic response.

 

[FoolKiller]

Which is why i think they should have been straight as to whether this particular rumour was true or not.

Unlike the various rumours about porsche being confirmed, this one came from a relatively reliable source (at least the original rumours did like you said). Which is why PD will probably get some stick for it when it turns out not to be in the game, they could have just said something like "We were considering it but we decided to focus on other features of the game we feel are more important" Rather than "No comment". But thats the way it is, PD are keeping us guessing.

You are assuming that PD themselves know for sure. They may have it as an idea and even have the main coding done, but are still undecided on putting it in.

Or it could just be that marketing has a specific timeframe for releasing game information and anything not specifically addressed at this point in time will automatically get a default "no comment" no matter what.

 

[Seismica]

You are assuming that PD themselves know for sure. They may have it as an idea and even have the main coding done, but are still undecided on putting it in.

Or it could just be that marketing has a specific timeframe for releasing game information and anything not specifically addressed at this point in time will automatically get a default "no comment" no matter what.

When it came to weather PD were very clear, saying they had a model ready but were unsure as to whether they would include it for various reasons. I don't see why they couldn't have done the same with the track editor rumours when asked to comment.

And as for the information release timeframe, i will just say they work in mysterious ways

 

[FoolKiller]

When it came to weather PD were very clear, saying they had a model ready but were unsure as to whether they would include it for various reasons. I don't see why they couldn't have done the same with the track editor rumours when asked to comment.

Marketing has a huge urprise advertising push prepared for it and mentioning it now would ruin that?

And as for the information release timeframe, i will just say they work in mysterious ways

Maximum impact is their goal. Leaks ruin that. For example: PS3 Slim and PSP Go. E3 should have been huge, not old news.

 

[Sturdy]

Well to rumours with questionable sources, 'no comment' is fine. But a rumour than originates from a fairly relaible source should be dealt with explicitly, rather than with the generic response.

I think that's fair enough, we probably all agree that they could be a bit more forthcoming with information 👍

I think their problem now is if they change tact and start responding to certain rumours, they risk giving away things that they perhaps want to keep secret.