Do you follow auto racing? Which league?

[fangio85]

Saying someone looks like a fool is disrespectful, as I said my first post was my opinion, you are free to disagree with that, I really don't mind, but you chose to say that my "ignorant statement" made me "look like a fool". You could have said you don't agree or you could have corrected what ever you thought I said wrong, but you chose instead to word your comment in a condescending way. If you spoke to someone like that in person, I would imagine they'd knock you out. At least they would where I'm from, I can't imagine people would put up with being spoken to like that by a stranger anywhere else. I apologized for getting worked up at your comments, and you then chose to keep going with your attitude. You could have accepted my apology and offered one of your own for offending me, again you chose not to. For what its worth my apology stands if you choose to be mature now and stop this nonsense. I would prefer to get back on topic, cause I am interested in which race series' everyone follows, as I don't have enough time to watch much myself.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Honestly, it all depends on what exites you about the sport. NASCAR is my sport. Most that bash NASCAR , don't fully understand it. It may look easy, but NASCAR stock cars are alot more bare-bones than F1 or Super GT. The cars are doing 190mph for about 2 hours, while racing against 42 other drivers on an oval. Also, the cars are alot heavier, use carburetors instead of fuel injection, and have a 4 speed gearbox instead of paddle shifters. NASCAR just seems more complex that any world circuit racing. I just wish GT5 included more hometown racing like figure 8s or demolition derby. That's where the entertainment factor really peaks

I'll agree, but, hopping onto an oval is a LOT easier than manhandling an Aussie V8 Supercar around Bathurst, I promise. I've actually done a bit of circuit racing etc., and it's tougher to run the road courses, when you're braking/accelerating/shifting a lot more often, and dealing with right-hand corners (because traffic gets cut off more often in chicanes than on ovals.)

But, I understand that NASCAR is hard. Being in the perfect spot at the end of the Daytona 500, to draft to the win seems hard. And, being a true touring car driver, I admit, I like the last few laps of Bristol/Martinsville.


But, in terms of difficulty, nothing beats 24 hour racing.

 

[Shoe67]

But, in terms of difficulty, nothing beats 24 hour racing.

👍 how the drivers do it is staggering. In 1971 there was a 96 hour race at Nurburging. Out of 30something that started, 16 finished I believe. (Google is your friend)

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Saying someone looks like a fool is disrespectful, as I said my first post was my opinion, you are free to disagree with that, I really don't mind, but you chose to say that my "ignorant statement" made me "look like a fool". You could have said you don't agree or you could have corrected what ever you thought I said wrong, but you chose instead to word your comment in a condescending way. If you spoke to someone like that in person, I would imagine they'd knock you out. At least they would where I'm from, I can't imagine people would put up with being spoken to like that by a stranger anywhere else. I apologized for getting worked up at your comments, and you then chose to keep going with your attitude. You could have accepted my apology and offered one of your own for offending me, again you chose not to. For what its worth my apology stands if you choose to be mature now and stop this nonsense. I would prefer to get back on topic, cause I am interested in which race series' everyone follows, as I don't have enough time to watch much myself.

Don't you think you are being a bit hypicritical here. I have done nothing different than you have done here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7979769#post7979769

You insinuate people are liars and say that they need glasses, again insinuating that they are blind, just because they don't agree with your opinion.

Like I said, I never called you any names. If you can't see the difference and want to take it personal, well then thats your problem, not mine. Like I said, all of your posts have been quite ironic. You get mad because you think I called you names, but in your very next post to me, you do the same thing with your "child" statement, which does not bother me, just need to point out the flaws in your argument here. Reply if you want, but I'm done here as you are just not seeing the irony in all your posts here.

 

[rosckolove]

I find NASCAR boring and I feel the cars are identical, which is fine, but I hate NASCAR because basically SPEED channel is just a giant NASCAR commercial all the time. They don't cover half the stuff they used to because everyone wants to watch a glorified version of skittles in a toilet.

Going to a race has the potential of being a lot of fun though.

Show up the day before the race with tickets to the infield and a camper. Man have you got a party on your hands.

Can someone tell me the difference between a Monte Carlo and a Camry in last years NASCAR car? (seriously, I don't know)

 

[DiersZee1]

Just like any other motorsport you watch....revolves around the Driver, Team, Equipment and Owner.

Each Manufacture has their own aero package and motor program. Some are more slick then others. There is no difference between nascar and the rest of the other series when it comes to fabricators, engineers who try different things to get an edge over their next door team mate or rival.

Now data is easier for the crew chiefs and tuners so it all boils down to who will give us the best run to the checkered flag in must series. NHRA you got tuners and having to have knowledge of what the starting line will give you for clutch adjustment. F1 you got so many different companies and yet they are so close to each other in lap times....still the same idea behind them all. Circle 8 or Derby is something not even in the same realm for me.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I find NASCAR boring and I feel the cars are identical, which is fine, but I hate NASCAR because basically SPEED channel is just a giant NASCAR commercial all the time. They don't cover half the stuff they used to because everyone wants to watch a glorified version of skittles in a toilet.

Going to a race has the potential of being a lot of fun though.

Show up the day before the race with tickets to the infield and a camper. Man have you got a party on your hands.

Can someone tell me the difference between a Monte Carlo and a Camry in last years NASCAR car? (seriously, I don't know)

I respect your opinion of NASCAR and you are certainly entitled to it. But tell me one thing, and this is the part that I don't get. Why hate a sport just because a certain channel over plays it. Thats the part I don't understand. You don't hate NASCAR for what it is, or what its not, you hate NASCAR for a reason that doesn't really have anything to do with the sport itself.

You say it is boring. I can agree, there are some races that can get boring at some point in the race. But overall, I find it an exciting sport to watch. In my opinion, boring is not really a reason to hate it as there is action going on on different parts of the track most of the time. There is no sport that is 100% exciting all of the time. Football, baseball, ect. can also become boring at some point if the other team has a big lead. Same with other forms of motorsports. I say all this because I really don't think "boring" is a reason to hate any sport as they can all become boring at some point.

And as far as the cars being identical, I can feel your pain there, and apparently so does NASCAR as they are making changes to that this upcoming season. Cars will look more like their consumer available counterparts which really pleases me to see.

Not trying to start an argument with you, just having a constructive conversation with you about our differing opinions.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I find NASCAR boring and I feel the cars are identical, which is fine, but I hate NASCAR because basically SPEED channel is just a giant NASCAR commercial all the time. They don't cover half the stuff they used to because everyone wants to watch a glorified version of skittles in a toilet.

Well SPEED won't be around for much longer, so you won't have to worry about it.

Going to a race has the potential of being a lot of fun though.

Show up the day before the race with tickets to the infield and a camper. Man have you got a party on your hands.

THIS. Anyone who bashes NASCAR should actually suck it up and go to a live race. Watching it on TV is NOT the same.

Can someone tell me the difference between a Monte Carlo and a Camry in last years NASCAR car? (seriously, I don't know)

This actually shows how little you know. The Monte Carlo hasn't been around since....2007? Physically they may have looked identical, but not all the cars are made by the same teams. Different engines are used, different parts are used. So technically they are not identical.

Again, 2013 will be a good year.

 

[Aquarelle]

NASCAR is a great sport because it takes some serious courage to take a car with next to no equipment around a track with zero escape zone with turbulent airflow, in sweltering heat with immense noise levels and several cars surrounding you.

If you don't like to watch it that's fine, personally I prefer to watch V8 supercars which runs with similar regulations as far as car similarity goes.

But Fanigo you really need to calm down and look back over everything that has been said so far, Cargo_Rat is a great guy and he never directly insulted you like you continue to suggest. I implore you to go back and re-read his post in a calm and positive mindset and see where he's coming from.

And as far as the cars being identical, I can feel your pain there, and apparently so does NASCAR as they are making changes to that this upcoming season. Cars will look more like their consumer available counterparts which really pleases me to see.

I agree, I was checking out the new models and they look great! I may well end up watching this season if I can find a place streaming it

 

[rosckolove]

I respect your opinion of NASCAR and you are certainly entitled to it. But tell me one thing, and this is the part that I don't get. Why hate a sport just because a certain channel over plays it. Thats the part I don't understand. You don't hate NASCAR for what it is, or what its not, you hate NASCAR for a reason that doesn't really have anything to do with the sport itself.

You say it is boring. I can agree, there are some races that can get boring at some point in the race. But overall, I find it an exciting sport to watch. In my opinion, boring is not really a reason to hate it as there is action going on on different parts of the track most of the time. There is no sport that is 100% exciting all of the time. Football, baseball, ect. can also become boring at some point if the other team has a big lead. Same with other forms of motorsports. I say all this because I really don't think "boring" is a reason to hate any sport as they can all become boring at some point.

And as far as the cars being identical, I can feel your pain there, and apparently so does NASCAR as they are making changes to that this upcoming season. Cars will look more like their consumer available counterparts which really pleases me to see.

Not trying to start an argument with you, just having a constructive conversation with you about our differing opinions.

Ah you don't need to worry about an argument man. I knew coming into this a reply like that was in order.

The reason I don't like NASCAR is because I don't like Oval racing. I don't like how the car's are identical, I don't like how a sport I don't like took over the best motorsports channel. You could turn speed channel on and watch Motorcross Boat racing Baja trucks and many forms of road racing in one day.

Now you only see something besides NASCAR if its a special event like Le mans.

I don't like how you could be the fastest guy out there by a long shot and you could still get beat because your just going in circles in each others draft.

To me the most exciting thing in NASCAR to watch is crashes. Or the very few and far between 3-4 wide position changes on the last lap.

Obviously this is just my opinion. I don't look down on people who like NASCAR whatever floats your boat is cool with me. Unless you enjoy WWE wrestling, then I think your an idiot.

This actually shows how little you know.

Stupid comment man. Just because I didn't know they don't put a Monte Carlo sticker on the car anymore doesn't mean I don't know they are identical. Was it really a Monte Carlo anyway? Isn't the headlight sticker being the same shape the only thing thats similar?

You should have taken that as whats different between a toyota and a chevy.

When have they ever actually used anything from a production car in the past 20+ years.

The cars are the same.

 

[rosckolove]

sorry.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Ah you don't need to worry about an argument man. I knew coming into this a reply like that was in order.

The reason I don't like NASCAR is because I don't like Oval racing. I don't like how the car's are identical, I don't like how a sport I don't like took over the best motorsports channel. You could turn speed channel on and watch Motorcross Boat racing Baja trucks and many forms of road racing in one day.

Now you only see something besides NASCAR if its a special event like Le mans.

I don't like how you could be the fastest guy out there by a long shot and you could still get beat because your just going in circles in each others draft.

To me the most exciting thing in NASCAR to watch is crashes. Or the very few and far between 3-4 wide position changes on the last lap.

Obviously this is just my opinion. I don't look down on people who like NASCAR whatever floats your boat is cool with me. Unless you enjoy WWE wrestling, then I think your an idiot.

Well, as has been pointed out already, the cars are not all truely identical. As far as the looks, that will change this season also. You will be able to better tell apart the makes.

Again, you hating the sport just because a certain channel over plays it is no reason to hate it.

Also, your comment about how you could be the fastest car out there and still get beat because you are going in circles really makes no sense at all and just shows how little you know about the sport. There are only 3 tracks where drafting comes into play and I can agree, at those tracks it can be a wildcard at who wins. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. But the other tracks, most of the time the fastest car does win, barring mechanical failure or getting caught up in someone elses accident.

To me, and no offense, but you just sound like another uniformed NASCAR hater who really knows nothing about the sport other than what you see on the surface.

And, as far as just watching NASCAR for the crashes, I'll leave that one alone except to say that lives have been lost in those very crashes you seek.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Stupid comment man. Just because I didn't know they don't put a Monte Carlo sticker on the car anymore doesn't mean I don't know they are identical. Was it really a Monte Carlo anyway? Isn't the headlight sticker being the same shape the only thing thats similar?

You should have taken that as whats different between a toyota and a chevy.

When have they ever actually used anything from a production car in the past 20+ years.

The cars are the same.

No, it wasn't stupid, and I stand by what I said.

And who cares if the cars are the same? Spec racing is some of the best racing in the world is it not? That leaves it all up to the drivers to show their driving skills...

Again, go to a live race.

 

[rosckolove]

I don't watch NASCAR for the crashes, its just happens to be one of the more entertaining parts of the series.

I have been to a live race. Went with a DIE HARD NASCAR Fan. Left halfway through because it was boring, even in his eyes.

This is just my opinion. There must be a reason tons of people share it.

Can someone explain exactly how the cars are different? I would like to know, because I don't.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

I don't watch NASCAR for the crashes, its just happens to be one of the more entertaining parts of the series.

I have been to a live race. Went with a DIE HARD NASCAR Fan. Left halfway through because it was boring, even in his eyes.

This is just my opinion. There must be a reason tons of people share it.

Can someone explain exactly how the cars are different? I would like to know, because I don't.

Saying that the crashes are the more entertaining part of NASCAR is just sadistic in my opinion.

You can't judge NASCAR as a whole based on one race, or one bad experience. As I've said before, not all races are going to be 100% exciting all of the time, same with other series or other sports.

The cars are built to be the same spec wise for parady. However, there are differences between each make as far as the cosmetic aspect of it goes, which will be even more so this year. Not including this upcoming year, if you couldn't tell the differences between them by looking at them, then you're not looking close enough. And I'm not talking microscopic differences either if you're going to try to go down that road. The nose pieces are different, the back bumper covers are different, the hoods and decklids vary slightly. NASCAR has to keep the cars somewhat similar for competition reasons, but they are by far not identical. If they didn't do this, then you would more than likely have one make with an advantage and would be winning all the time. Then you would have people complaining about that. Anyways, I don't think that the cars looking similar is any reason to hate NASCAR.

So in closing, you have your reasons why you hate NASCAR and I respect your decision, I just don't agree with your reasoning. Have a good day.

 

[sporkface69]

The cars really arent that different. Yeah there are different engines from different manufactureres, etc., etc. BUt what really make NASCAR fun to watch for me is the drama. Did you hear about Phoenix in November? If not look it up. I was there. It was exciting. It was funny. And that stupid Jeff Gordon deserved to get his *** beat. Its the same reason I like F1, it's not just the racing it's the story behind it that intrigues me.

 

[rosckolove]

Its not sadistic. A lot of people feel that way. The crashes just happen to be more entertaining than watching cars go in circles for hours on end.. I don't enjoy people dieing. 3 wide finishes beat out crashes any day.

Not just looking similar. They are all the same car. Aren't they all running the same chassis? Don't they all run the same engine's?

I'm not telling you, I am asking, to help me see your side.

 

[Shoe67]

About three wide finishes. I recall an unbelievable race. I don't remember if was was last year or two years ago. It was at Talladega, and the 4 Hendrick cars cruised at the back of the pack all race, then at the end they pushed to the front and finished 3wide 2deep bumper to bumper in a 0.002sec difference (tied for the closest ever in NASCAR). I think Jimmy Johnson got the win. Those are the races that I love the most. There is a lot of strategy built in to these races as well, which is an aspect that I greatly enjoy.

 

[sporkface69]

Its not sadistic. A lot of people feel that way. The crashes just happen to be more entertaining than watching cars go in circles for hours on end.. I don't enjoy people dieing. 3 wide finishes beat out crashes any day.

Not just looking similar. They are all the same car. Aren't they all running the same chassis? Don't they all run the same engine's?

I'm not telling you, I am asking, to help me see your side.

No every shop has their own chassis and engine builder. They all have to build them to conform to NASCAR's rule book, but there are still things that they can do to give them an edge over the competition. Just like in F1, Red Bull is light years faster than Caterham aren't they? It's the same thing in NASCAR, only the rules regarding car building are a little more strict to promote competition.

One of the main reasons that people like NASCAR is the competition. At any given race you can have at least 10-15 drivers with a real chance at winning if they have the right strategy, keep up with the track and don't have any mechanical problems. I will admit, the races are a little long, sometimes I even have trouble watching them the whole way through, but there is just so much more to NASCAR than just going around in circles for 3 1/2 hours.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I do agree the races are too long.

 

[sporkface69]

They're longer than RSCS races and they have to have more than one driver.What does that say about NASCAR drivers?

 

[NCRthree]

This will date me for sure but as a 10-11 year old kid, I used to love watching when Richard Petty ran that bright blue Superbird! Wow, what a car. The battles with Pearson and others in those fastback Fords and Mercury's. Then those long bottle shaped early 70's Chargers in red, white and blue STP colors. Lost interest after I became a teenager.


GT5 has rekindled my interested in auto racing and I go to VIR at least once a year for GrandAm and this year ALMS. Just don't have the patience or time to sit through a whole race of any kind on TV.

 

[analog]

You know, playing racing games has really influenced the way I watch (or don't watch) motorsport and vice versa.
Nowadays I only really follow F1 races from beginning to end (nothing to do with playing videogames, just find the last 3 seasons at least very interesting again), try to watch other series but mostly always get bored after a while and they just serve as a reminder I can race virtually myself (so I switch on my PS3).

On the other hand, when I watch a race taking place on tracks I'm familiar with through playing videogames I now find myself watching differently than before, trying to learn things I can apply in a videogame myself but also a better understanding of what I see happening on the telly (at least I think I do ).

I always loved footage of onboard cameras before but now even more so, the Le Mans 24 hour race was broadcasted live for the entire 24 hours on a Dutch TV channel this year and I think I watched hours and hours of it which I doubt I would've done if I hadn't driven so much on GT5's Le Sarthe track with day/night/weather change (even though I loved Le Mans since being a child, mostly for the cars then I think and watching that Steve McQueen movie).

Same goes for NASCAR in fact, doing a few online races on Daytona with a full pack made me appreciate the sport much more and also taught me how little I knew about it.
I'm not a fan but there's much more to it than meets the eye, it's such a different type of motorsports than anything else (only Indycars come close perhaps but then I prefer NASCAR to watch visually) and one of those sports you'll have to know something about to enjoy (like cricket I imagine ).

 

[Dolph Drago]

About three wide finishes. I recall an unbelievable race. I don't remember if was was last year or two years ago. It was at Talladega, and the 4 Hendrick cars cruised at the back of the pack all race, then at the end they pushed to the front and finished 3wide 2deep bumper to bumper in a 0.002sec difference (tied for the closest ever in NASCAR). I think Jimmy Johnson got the win. Those are the races that I love the most. There is a lot of strategy built in to these races as well, which is an aspect that I greatly enjoy.

Exactly. Even if you aren't a fan of Nascar, this has to be exciting to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xos7OG2htok

Edit:Can't forget about this one either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VrJPxDhC9E

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

All this talk about NASCAR has really got me excited about the upcoming season. I can't wait for it to start. Missing my heroes and can't wait for their return.

 

[Shoe67]

All this talk about NASCAR has really got me excited about the upcoming season. I can't wait for it to start. Missing my heroes and can't wait for their return.

Same here. I'm interested to see the new bodies in action.

 

[CJSpencer77]

All this talk about NASCAR has really got me excited about the upcoming season. I can't wait for it to start. Missing my heroes and can't wait for their return.

Thats what motorsport is about when you get into it, no matter what series, im not a Nascar fan and dont really get its finer points because im English so ive not been exposed to it as much, I love F1 in the same way you no doubt love Nascar, but id like to know all these people who keep shooting Nascar down would you honestly turn down free tickets to say Daytona if you was near? or the same vice versa for say Silverstone F1 ?

If its motorsport then iam in 👍

P.S. OP great thread

 

[rosckolove]

If it were tickets to sit in the stands? Yes I would turn it down.

Tickets for the infield (if available at daytona) and go the night before the race, then I would go. But leave before the race ended to avoid traffic, As we have done before.

 

[Schrodes]

I grew up on the Australian Touring Car Championship and continued to follow it when it turned into V8 Supercars. We camp at Bathurst each year and it's the best week of the year for me. We also go to the Eastern Creek round when it is included and the test day at Eastern Creek is coming up. Can't wait to see the new sponsors and colours and see how the Nissan and AMG go.

The Touring Car Masters is a fantastic series with older cars up to 1974. This series has Monaros, Toranas, Falcons, Mustangs, Camaros and even a Javelin. Group C and Group A complete the historic scene here. These cars attend the Australian Muscle Car Masters at Eastern Creek on Fathers Day each year and it is the second best race meeting of the year.
Plenty of TCM to see here. http://www.youtube.com/user/TouringCarMastersAus?feature=mhee
The Javelin is a bit second hand at the moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Ob0Ix1FPo

I remember running around as a kid at Liverpool and Granville speedways when dad was racing. Haven't been to the speedway for a few years now, always intend to though. I need to get a sprintcar and sedan hit soon. Haven't been to the drags for a while either.

I try to get to a GT round during the year but it's not high on my priority list. The Eastern Creek round seems to clash with the Sydney Swans home games.

As far as TV goes, I try to watch a recording of each F1 race and some British Touring Car racing. Channel ONE has been showing NASCAR for four or five years now and I became a Brad Keselowski fan when I started watching NASCAR again. As a Peter Brock/Craig Lowndes/Holden fan it will hurt to see Keselowski in a Ford but I will support him anyway. I supported Brock and Lowndes when they switced to Ford, I just didn't buy and merchandise that had the Ford logo on it. I record each NASCAR race and watch it when I get home from work but I take the day off to get up at 3am to watch the Daytona 500. I like seeing Marcos Ambrose do well because it means he won't come back here for a drive. I also watch the Nationwide Series but Channel ONE's commitment to that was terrible last year.

I guess you could put me in the category of people who play GT5 because of an initial interest in motorsport. I play a few other games but I doubt I would have a Playstation if there was no Gran Turismo.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Tickets for the infield (if available at daytona) and go the night before the race, then I would go. But leave before the race ended to avoid traffic, As we have done before.

Where's the fun in that? I just sit around and wait for the traffic to leave. Not going to miss the end of the race just to avoid a traffic jam. The best thing to do is take Friday & Monday off, and stay at the track the whole weekend. That way you can walk to your camp site after the race, spend the night, and leave on Monday with zero traffic. 👍