Dodge Challenger News: 2009 R/T and SE Models Debut

  • Thread starter Thread starter YSSMAN
  • 364 comments
  • 20,345 views
No they weren't, if that was the case no magazine or TV shows would have ever compared them, they wouldn't have competed in the same racing league, and they wouldn't have had such similar track numbers stock.

**But we are way off topic...lets just drop it eh?
 
The Dodge Callenger

Back on topic, eh?

So some of the things I've read after coming back from work:

- The Style is Wrong: I whole-heartedly disagree. Sure, the "retro" fad may be played out and "wrong" for some people, but it still is a very popular thing in some people's eyes. Considering that only two cars from America have been released in "retro" style (The GT, Mustang), I can't really fault the overall idea. Throw in the MINI, the 500, New Beetle, F-Type, etc... Its just a minor trend that will only go on for so long. Sure, the Challenger will be joined by the Camaro (which really isn't all that retro when seen in person) and the updated Mustang, but so what?

You've got to also remember the economics of the issue; The "Baby-Boomers" grew up loving and driving these cars and then had to give them away for Dodge Caravans when the kids arrived. Now that they're empy-nesters, have a 401K to spend, and want these good-looking and fun to drive cars again, well, it makes sense to cater to those needs and desires... God forbid the American companies do that for once...

- The Price: While the other SRT-8 cars have indeed been a fair bit of performance for not much money (by comparison to cars like the CTS-V, M5, E63, etc...), that by no means translates into instant sales. You will always seen ten times as many R/Ts and 300Cs than SRT-8 versions of the different models, and I assume it will be much the same case with the Challenger in 2009.

Like Toronado said, $38K buys you a lot of car elsewhere. Thats nearly in 500 BHP Cobra territory (depends on the markup... We've got an extra $20K stuck to ours), and God only knows what GM will do. Considering that this Challenger has "only" 425 BHP, that isn't much at that asking price. Ford still has the "Hurricane" V8 to play with on the updated GT models, and while GM hasn't said officially what the Camaro will back, its safe to assume that there will be a 400 BHP model for right around $30K.

That extra cash just doesn't seem worth it to me. They (Cerberus/Chrysler) are banking on MOPAR fans to come out and get the first cars, which will likely be the case, and afterwards, won't worry too much about the SRT-8 models and instead focus on the regular R/T versions (which is where the attention should have been focused anyway...). The problem is, the LX chassis is too heavy and will likely be out-of-date by the time this car finally shows up. Sure, Zeta isn't light either, and I doubt the Orion chassis (Mustang) is any better either. But, nevertheless, they are new, LX is not.

- Transmissions: I don't think there will really be a huge problem with the 5-speed slushbox, but the thing is, you're going to want a manual transmission anyway. Its how it should be done, every time. But even then, the Camaro will likely have a 6-speed box, the updated Mustang may even get the same, so again, Chrysler will be behind... And that includes the choice of the T56. The General already has a modified version of it in the Corvette and Commodore/etc, and I assume Ford will be doing the same, so again, why not Chrysler?

- Would I Still Want One?: Hell Yes!

The fact that these incredibly awesome concept cars are going from turntable to driveway in less than three or four years is just awesome, and furthermore, not losing much of the overall look is certainly something worth appreciating. The big problem with Chrysler is that they are behind the times, out of cash, and desperately need something like this to bring interest back to the company.

If I'm getting one, I'm going for the standard R/T with the 360 BHP 5.7L HEMI and the T56. I want it in Plumb-Crazy Purple, no stripes, 19" wheels with summer rubber, and the most basic interior made possible. Keeps prices down, makes it a bit more modest, and overall, not as cocky.

...But who am I kidding? I'd rather have the Camaro anyway. Well, my Dad is getting one, but I get to sit in it right?
 
-> I've seen these pics earlier before I logged on to GTP. But somehow the rear made me naucious a bit: :sick:

08challenger3en6.jpg


^ The rear bumper looks too big and out of proportioned.

challenger_rear_view.jpg


^ I was looking for a style similar to this one above. What a dissapointment. :indiff:

IMO the bodystyle the production car is representing from the rear ('69 or '70?) is better than the concept car was representing. (That bodystyle is butt ugly to me)
 
I'd chalk that up to more displacement and high end grunt. The 'Vette still wins the comparisons. Creature comforts FTW.
It wins because of price, not performance. Every test I've seen pitting the Z06 and SRT-10 Coupe against each other normally says the Vette wins due to price. The cars are still dead even in performance.

However, with the new Viper out, I believe it was Road & Track who picked the Viper due to 100 more horses, while still retaining a similar MSRP of the 500Bhp.
 
-> This is a big disapointment in my opinion that the Challenger will be released next year. Not just because they will only churn out up to 5,000 units next year, but the SRT model won't come up a 6-speed M/T! What a way to introduce car on its first year of production.

Inside Line
Chrysler Planning To Build Only 5,000 2008 Dodge Challengers

SANTA MONICA, Calif. — Its official debut is still months away, but details are starting to leak out about the 2008 Dodge Challenger. According to Automotive News, Dodge plans to roll out the Challenger in two phases. A 5,000-car limited-run 2008 Challenger SRT will be unveiled at the 2008 Chicago Auto Show in February. The SRT will use the 6.1-liter Hemi mated to a five-speed automatic.

For the 2009 model year, Dodge will expand the Challenger lineup to include both 6.1- and 5.7-liter Hemi versions to be shown at the 2008 New York Auto Show in March. A six-speed manual will be added and possibly a dual-clutch transmission. Dodge will increase the Challenger's production output to 30,000-35,000 cars in 2009, says Automotive News.

What this means to you: Unless you're willing to pay up for the top-of-the-line SRT version, you won't be able to buy a Challenger until the 2009 model year.

watermark.php


^ Yup, cars are getting lamer and lamer these days. We still have to wait still. :indiff:
 
Cars are getting lamer? :odd: Would you rather have a 1994 Corvette or a 2008 Corvette?
 
Uh, I don't see why this is a problem really. My basic assessment is that, at the very least, Chrysler finally got their "S" together and actually will have the Challenger on the streets by March 2008. Sure, only 5000 will be ready, and I'm absolutely certain that they will be sold immediately (that is, if they aren't already), but it isn't as though the 2009 model year is far away either... There are limits to production, and my guess is that this initial run of 5000 is the most that they could build in time for March.

Sure, its a bit "lame" that they're all going to be SRT-8 models with slushboxes, but to the hardcore MOPAR fans, it wouldn't make a difference...
 
Cars are getting lamer? :odd: Would you rather have a 1994 Corvette or a 2008 Corvette?
^ Well the Vette is only a puny .01% of my exception to that contrary. Heres a bigger scale:

- New Impreza or GC Impreza
- AE86 Corolla or Corolla XRS
- Buick GNX or Buick La Crosse Super
- Toyota Supra or Lexus SC430

...I could go on y'know, but getting back to the topic here, I think too much technology on cars is what taking us away from pure driving excitement. :indiff:
 
With them going up against the new Camaro which is probably one of the most hyped vehicles I have ever seen I do feel they are going to run into some issues. Sure they will sell the 5,000 rather quickly but when someone finds out they are unable to get a Challenger they will probably just go looking at a Camaro or a Mustang.
 
Well, the Camaro should in theory be ready for the fall of 2008, but I could be mistaken. My guess is that the pricing game is going to be the big deciding factor for a lot of these folks. The Mustang is still a wonderful deal at $27K for a nicely done GT, and my guess is that if Chevy can do the $27-30K dance with a 360 BHP V8, the game should be very interesting.
 
Isn't there a new Mustang on taps for 2009 as well? It could get real interesting real fast, although who knows how long the muscle car boom will last considering oil keeps going to the moon. How do you think rising fuel prices will affect these cars? I know there will be people who still buy them but I can see their sales start to hurt because gas starts topping $4 something a gallon.
 
There is a new Mustang on the way, apparently, but the details are far more screwed up than we had all anticipated. The problem pretty much stems out of the fact that the Orion (read Falcon) chassis probably won't be coming to the US after all, and Ford says they won't have their North American RWD chassis ready until 2010 at the earliest. That would likely sit underneath a Crown Victoria replacement before it underpins a new Mustang... Then you get into the "Huntsman" project which is probably the North American version of Orion, and its a whole 'nother level of messy.

My guess?

The Mustang will get a restyle similar to that of the concept one from about a year back, making it look a bit more like the later '60s models before Ford destroyed the styling on the car. My other guess is that the current Modular program will be updated to produce more horsepower, as it will likely be down between 60-150 BHP under most circumstances. Direct-Injection seems like a reasonable guess at some point, but I'd personally prefer the addition of a "street" version of the Ford 5.0L Cammer V8. Otherwise, the addition of the 6.2L "Hurricane" V8 seems like a near-certainty for the later Cobra models.

...Admittedly, I'm eager to see if they drop a twin-turbocharged V6 in there, which honestly is the most exciting engine that Ford has developed in some time...

So, pretty much by 2010, all of the cars should be in top form, and its the muscle car wars all over again, $3 gasoline be damned!
 
One more Update!

Autoblog
The Ford Mustang has held court in the modern day muscle car segment long enough. At least that's what Chevy and Dodge would like you to believe, as both brands are prepping their answer to the Mustang as we speak. Dodge's offering will of course be the new Challenger, and Allpar.com has dug up some news on the rear-wheel-drive muscle car's productions specs that was previously unknown. Along with detail information on each of the Challenger's drivetrains, including engines, transmissions and axle ratios, Allpar.com reveals two new features that the Challenger will sport when it goes on sale sometime next year as a 2009 model. The first is the same Hill Start Assist technology used on the Dodge Ram, Jeep Commander, Grand Cherokee and Liberty. Like the name suggests, HSA will hold the car in place on a hill, giving the driver a small amount of time to switch pedals and begin applying throttle. Hopefully it will save a few rear bumpers from some expensive bodywork. The second feature is called the Trak Pak, which is reportedly just a marketing term for a specific combination of transmission, shfiter and gearing. Available on R/T and SRT-8 models, the Tremec 6-speed manual is included, as well as a limited slip differential, though the axle ratio appears to vary between the two models on which the Trak Pak is included.

09challengerspecs.jpg

Going over the breakdown of each model's drivetrain, the base 2009 Dodge Charger appears to be a bit of a letdown with its 3.5L V6 and 4-speed automatic. Allpar.com reports that the 4.0L Phoenix V6 will replace the 3.5L eventually, but probably not until the 2011 model year.

Also of note is that Allpar.com claims that the first Challengers will actually be 2008 models produced as early as next March. These will only be SRT-8 models with an automatic, and as we reported earlier, will likely number less than 5,000. It sounds like immediately following this initial run, Dodge will begin producing all three variants of the Challenger as 2009 models. Will the Dodge Challenger have the goods to knock the Mustang off its throne? We're guessing it will make a dent in Mustang sales, as will the new Chevy Camaro, but that the Mustang will remain the segment's sales leader.
 
heh, bringing back the "Trak Pak" moniker, eh? Hm, I like that Idea, and, (despite dealer markups on this one like there'll be with the top Camaros during the first month or so.) I like the idea of going R/T with Trak Pak. Honestly, I'm glad they're going full-range with this one, and I certianly hope the SRT mill gets an uprate, now that the Viper is up over 600HP. there's room at the top for more power

...Is there a way to combine the 426 block with modern heads and periphery? and still be smog legal?
 
2008 Dodge Charger SRT8 arrives at $37,995

Autoblog
As we revealed a few days ago, the first Dodge Challengers to go on sale will only be 2008 SRT8 models. Today we've learned that those 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8s will carry an MSRP of $37,995 (including $675 for destination) and that dealers will begin taking orders for them as early as December 3rd. That's next Monday, people. If you were expecting to have the whole month of December to convince your domestic partner that a Challenger is much more important than Christmas presents, the deadline for that convincing argument has just been moved up.

The 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 will be available in three colors: Black, Silver and HEMI Orange. All will feature the same carbon fiber hood stripes as the concept vehicle, as well. The iconic muscle car that looks poised to beat the Chevy Camaro to market by a good margin is, of course, powered by a 6.1L HEMI V8 that's available with a 5-speed automatic or six-speed manual (though prior reports state you need to wait for the '09 for the latter). While power figures have yet to be revealed, this engine makes 425 horsepower in other SRT8 vehicles.

Stay tuned to us for more info on the 2008 Dodge Challenger as it becomes available, which we promise will be soon. We expect pricing for the rest of the lineup to be announced sometime around the Detroit Auto Show in January. Also check out the Dodge brand's official blog called Red Letter Dodge, as we find information gets posted there first usually.

I think I'd rather have a G8 for that price.

I just saw they are going to offering a 3.5L V6 in the car...I didn't think Chrysler engineers could get any stupider but they proved me wrong. The 3.5L is gutless, the Magnum was terrible with that engine in them (we have they at the City of Auburn Hills when I worked there). I don't see why they just don't offer two V8 options and call it a day. V6 "muscle" cars are rather pointless in my opinion.
 
Uh...okay...350HP for a reasonable price, or, for just a little more, 425. What's the MSRP on a GT500, though? 40k+, right?

The problem with not offering V6 musclecars is that you basically give that market to the guy who is making them. If the amount of V6 Mustangs on the road are any indication...
 
Thats a good spot! I wonder when they'll start showing those?

I'm excited to see the car nearing the finish line (because that means the Camaro is that much closer), and having all three together is just going to be awesome.

But between the Plumb-Crazy Challenger R/T and the new HEMI Orange Challenger SRT-8, I'd rather have the classic one...
 
You'd be paying a TON more, YSS, those cars are hard to find below $60K in that condition these days. That's probably why the old guy didn't dump the clutch...Challengers are "Investments," now.

stupidbabyboomers.

That's the other thing...I could see that '70's price going up another 10 grand once the new one comes out. Mopar mania strikes again...It's tough to be a mopar guy on a budget.

...and it's "Plum Crazy," Not Plumb as in "Plumb bob." Silly GM boy. XP
 
Meh, at least GM's colors made sense... Victory Red, Bermuda Blue, Hugger Orange, etc...

It will be interesting to see what the new cars do end up doing to the origional's value. Given that the Challenger went without a replacement, the situation would be very different from the Camaro, which died in 2002.

...As someone who has been looking into a Camaro for some time, I can only hope that the value of the 98-02 models drops when the '09 models debut. We'll see...
 
Tha values of those models may acutally drop: the gen-1s should hit the stratosphere, though...

although, the retro Mustang didn't do much for it's older brethren. Other than big-block Shelbys, maybe.
 
You'd be paying a TON more, YSS, those cars are hard to find below $60K in that condition these days. That's probably why the old guy didn't dump the clutch...Challengers are "Investments," now.

I'd rather have an old one because they don't suck, they are actually retro...not a crappy take on retro, and they won't fall apart in two weeks like the new one will.
 
I hope this one has far better quality than its two LX predecessors. They weren't horrible, but they certainly weren't good. If the Camaro is anything similar in quality to the CTS and Malibu, you can bet your ass the standard will be set rather high for Chrysler and Ford with their upcoming projects...
 
I'd rather have an old one because they don't suck, they are actually retro...not a crappy take on retro, and they won't fall apart in two weeks like the new one will.

Actually, a 426 Hemi is rather maintainance intensive, with solid lifters, dual quads (must be synchronised!) and whatnot. They even say it in factory literature of the time. I doubt this new one will fall apart in two weeks, will start on cold mornings, and won't suffer from vapor lock on hot days. ah, the wonders of the modern automobile.

unless, of course, you drive it stupid.

Agreed on the Quality point, YSS. It at least has to be better than the current Mustang inside, if not as good as a car like the Malibu, but, as cash-strapped as Chrylser is, I see cheap plastic going into the injection molding machines....

On another note: It'll be neat to see it as Mopar's Formula D car...
 
It's a sub-par Chrysler product, it will be a rubbish car.
 
2 weeks? how odd, my parents chrysler is closing in on 11 years old. So by you standards it should be way past its expiration date. Rubbish maybe, but they do last.
 
2 weeks? how odd, my parents chrysler is closing in on 11 years old. So by you standards it should be way past its expiration date. Rubbish maybe, but they do last.

Our family's Chrysler's tend to disagree with that. Our PT had the rear view mirror fall off two days after we bought the car. But that's besides the point, some people really need to learn the word sarcasm and what it means.

The point they are poorly made products and the Challenger is going to be the same way, another sub-par Chrysler model that a few people will buy but in the end the Mustang and Camaro will be better...but that's not saying much.
 
Now, NOW!!! this is one of the first new models to come out under Cerberus's reign! At least, one they had any great deal of control over. I expect at least some, if not great, improvement in the interior department. I mean, they've got the exterior design of this car down pat. (Compared to anything else they currently have.) I'd be worried about the Camaro, and I hope Mopar gets the Challenger within a reasonable distance, I really do. Mustang...ehh, notsomuch. They'll be late to the party, anyway, and still don't have any really great engine aside from the Hurricane which ain't out yet.

I should mention that the Caravan/Town and Country are also competitive again in their segment everywhere but the drivetrain department. They're worth looking at for reasons other than price, finally. Chrysler knows what they're doing wrong, it's a matter of fixing it, axing the redundancies and such. Honeslty, you can't expect something that was just cast aside by a major automaker to be a world beater, but they can damn well try.

Chrysler: the last great American Independent. Keep the flame alive, boys. I dont' want your name listed with Studebaker and Packard.
 

Latest Posts

Back