Does anyone know about the tyre rating equivalency to real life?

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I searched online and get very few information about tyre rating system in the game, how are they rated and what are the real life counter parts for each level? is sport soft more like michelin cup 2s? and also if anybody into motorsports can tell me what kind tyres they use in 24 hours le mans for P1 in equivalent to that of in the game's? racing soft? no clue..

I hope this is no duplicated thread.
 
The connection of real tyres to GTS tyres is interesting for me also.

If I would buy for example a N200 car in real, would the grip like comfort/hard tyres?

And what is with a N600 Lambo/Ferrari/...? Also comfort/hard there or better?
 
Waylon
what are the real life counter parts for each level
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There isn't one. GT Sport's tyres - just like every other previous GT game - are fictional.

In essence you could consider Comfort tyres as anything not fitted to performance road cars, with Hard being all about low rolling resistance for eco cars and Soft more of a mainstream brand of street tyre. You could consider Sport tyres as more for anything with a sporty image, with Hard representing an off-the-shelf performance tyre and Soft more like the tyre that car manufacturers pretend is street legal for a Nurburgring lap.

Racing tyres are simply a sliding scale - which the game shows you in the Settings screen - from most life, least grip (Hard) to least life, most grip (Super Soft).


If you're looking for a brand-to-brand, model-to-model equivalent, you're not going to get one - especially with Racing tyres. If you like, you can think of the non-racing tyres as:
CH - Bridgestone Turanza (low RR tyre designed for long life, fuel efficiency, low noise)
CM - Continental ContiPremiumContact (general purpose road tyre)
CS - Avon ZV5 (all-season tyre with improved dry grip)
SH - Toyota Proxes T1R (summer tyre)
SM - Yokohama Advan Neova AD08R (road tyre with track bias, poor wet grip)
SS - Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 (track tyre homologated for road use)
 
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The way I look at it (using Pirelli as guide) a comfort tyre would be something like a P6000 level tyre; does the job of adhering to the road up to a point. Then sports tyres would be akin to P Zeros. For wear, I'd think the Sport Soft works similar to a Toyo Proxes T1R, grips really nicely in the dry, but wears out really quickly.

Then, Racing tyres are pretty self explanatory. So you'd consider the GT86 and BMW i3 should be on a comfort tyre to mimic the low rolling resistance tyres fitted to the real cars. Something like the Peugeot 208 would have a sports hard or medium. A Megane Trophy probably had sports soft equivalent tyres when new, which is most likely the level of tyre used by the N400+ cars too.
 
VXR
For wear, I'd think the Sport Soft works similar to a Toyo Proxes T1R, grips really nicely in the dry, but wears out really quickly.
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Pfft, I get at least 12,000 miles from a set of T1-Rs, even on heavier cars like my Accord Type-R, ST220 and E39 Touring.

Besides, if Sport Softs are T1Rs, where would you fit in something like the P-Zero Trofeo and Corsa, or Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, which are fitted (as options) to cars like the Ferrari 458 Speciale and Porsche 911 GT3?


I love my T1-Rs (that's why I fit them to everything), but they are literally only a slightly more aggressive, softer compound of a regular road tyre. They're not even the softest or most aggressive Toyo rubber you can get...
 
Famine
Pfft, I get at least 12,000 miles from a set of T1-Rs, even on heavier cars like my Accord Type-R, ST220 and E39 Touring.

Besides, if Sport Softs are T1Rs, where would you fit in something like the P-Zero Trofeo and Corsa, or Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2, which are fitted (as options) to cars like the Ferrari 458 Speciale and Porsche 911 GT3?


I love my T1-Rs (that's why I fit them to everything), but they are literally only a slightly more aggressive, softer compound of a regular road tyre. They're not even the softest or most aggressive Toyo rubber you can get...
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Toyo T1R just look good and racey, but they don't grip very well, Continentals that you rate CMs would probably grip better on track ;) Unless you're talking about R1Rs, but they're very soft and considered an intermediate semi-slick for damp/slightly wet conditions
 
Regarding racing tyres, you can basically compare their tyre life to real world to find the tyre that resembles reality the most.

LMP1 should be able to double or triple stint the tyres, so my guess is that even RH’s will be too soft.

For GT3, the usual stint lengths supported by tyres is either 1 hour (Blancpain Endurance, ADAC GT Masters) or at least 30 minutes (Blancpain Sprint), although the restricted number of tyres per weekend means the tyres will have to last more than the net stint lengths in most cases.

Overall, RH is usually the closest to real durability and grip in the game for any race car, although probably still too soft. (Even though it’s more fun to drive this way)
 
fifomaniak
Continentals that you rate CMs would probably grip better on track ;)
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Not likely. ContiPremiumContact are fat-ass tyres for fat-ass cars focused on noise reduction and fuel efficiency (B-rated) - the sort of thing you'll find on every 1.4TSI and 1.6TDI Golf. They're about equivalent to, if slightly better than, Toyo Proxes CF2s. They're Comfort tyres all day long.

ContiSportContact are the grippy ones, but they're a chunk ahead of T1Rs. A T1R, like the old Eagle GSD3, is more of your basic, entry level sports tyre that you could drive to a track day, have fun with, and drive home again, hence why they're my sort-of mental equivalent of Sports Hards.


But then no car in the game is really on the tyres it should be on. The 911 GT3 should be SS. The BMW i3 should be CH. Golf GTI and Megane RS should be SM, Mazda Atenza should be CM, Mazda Roadster should be CS or SH, Toyota GT86 should be SH. Instead, nigh-on everything (and it might BE everything - I haven't checked; in GT6 it was a mix of CS and SH) that's an N-class road car is on SH.
 
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Famine
Not likely. ContiPremiumContact are fat-ass tyres for fat-ass cars focused on noise reduction and fuel efficiency (B-rated) - the sort of thing you'll find on every 1.4TSI and 1.6TDI Golf. They're about equivalent to, if slightly better than, Toyo Proxes CF2s. They're Comfort tyres all day long.

ContiSportContact are the grippy ones, but they're a chunk ahead of T1Rs. A T1R, like the old Eagle GSD3, is more of your basic, entry level sports tyre that you could drive to a track day, have fun with, and drive home again, hence why they're my sort-of mental equivalent of Sports Hards.


But then no car in the game is really on the tyres it should be on. The 911 GT3 should be SS. The BMW i3 should be CH. Golf GTI and Megane RS should be SM, Mazda Atenza should be CM, Mazda Roadster should be CS or SH, Toyota GT86 should be SH. Instead, nigh-on everything (and it might BE everything - I haven't checked; in GT6 it was a mix of CS and SH) that's an N-class road car is on SH.
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Yes, but the difference between GT6 and GT sport is that on GT sport all cars comes supplied with all the different tyre compounds so PD I guess didnt bother to change the starting tyre for each like they did in GT6
 
Thanks for sharing your input guys. Yea it would be cool if they make N cars come with their own factory tyre sets. I also wondered the reason we have intermediate and heavy wet even snow sets where the game doesn’t even have dynamic weather :confused: , is this some sort signal to us to keep eye on future patches? Love to see snowy dirt or heavy rain on Nurburgring.
 
VXR
The way I look at it (using Pirelli as guide) a comfort tyre would be something like a P6000 level tyre; does the job of adhering to the road up to a point. Then sports tyres would be akin to P Zeros. For wear, I'd think the Sport Soft works similar to a Toyo Proxes T1R, grips really nicely in the dry, but wears out really quickly.

Then, Racing tyres are pretty self explanatory. So you'd consider the GT86 and BMW i3 should be on a comfort tyre to mimic the low rolling resistance tyres fitted to the real cars. Something like the Peugeot 208 would have a sports hard or medium. A Megane Trophy probably had sports soft equivalent tyres when new, which is most likely the level of tyre used by the N400+ cars too.
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Do you mean a Toyo R888? That would make more sense. Tires don’t correlate well to this game because for some reason the amount of traction you should have when pushing it in a straight line on flat ground results in more wheel spin than there should be.
 
I can vouch that pilot sport cup 2 tyres are very soft and have tons of grip! So probably very similar to an SS road tyre in gts. Although only last about 6000 miles and cost loads!!!
 
PD's tire model is still fundamentally flawed at low speeds. The well documented launch issues illustrate how bad the low speed traction is modeled, and few acknowledge that there is no different model between launching and any other high acceleration event. It's the same flawed grip whether starting from a standstill or powering out of a tight hairpin.

There's just something wrong at low speeds. I cannot honestly say that there is any improvement over GT6's tire model. It just seems to have been put in for the sake of change, not reality...

As to the equivalency between real tires and GT's different levels, I remember a GT5 challenge where you had to try and beat David Coulthard's Top Gear Test Track time in a real Mercedes SLS (I think that was the car) on its real stock tires. Basically, it boiled down to top drivers beating him handily until they dropped down to CH's!
 
RichiPuppy
Do you mean a Toyo R888? That would make more sense. Tires don’t correlate well to this game because for some reason the amount of traction you should have when pushing it in a straight line on flat ground results in more wheel spin than there should be.
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No, in my experience on an Astra Coupe was that they wore out very quickly.
 
Low speed acceleration model aside I look at tires mostly raced as:

SH - 300 TW (treadware or utqg)
SM - 240 TW
SS - 200 TW (Pilot Sport 4, Bridgestone RE 71R, BF Goodrich Rival 1.5)
RH - 140 TW (Toyo R1R, Federal RSRR, Hankook vestus)
RM - non DOT R compound (Hoosier R7, Toyo Proxes RR, Pirelli Trofeo R)
RS - non-DOT R compound (Hoosier A7, Michelin Cup 2, Pirelli P Zero Racing Slick)

Now if they could get the heat/wear/grease model working better.
 
simsimsheree
As to the equivalency between real tires and GT's different levels, I remember a GT5 challenge where you had to try and beat David Coulthard's Top Gear Test Track time in a real Mercedes SLS (I think that was the car) on its real stock tires. Basically, it boiled down to top drivers beating him handily until they dropped down to CH's!
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Yes, but 2 other factors do benefit lap times in games. The track is always at optimum conditions, and drivers don’t need to account for a margin not to die.

So, it’s hard to judge where the actual grip level should be.
 
Slo_Wass_Mike
Low speed acceleration model aside I look at tires mostly raced as:

SH - 300 TW (treadware or utqg)
SM - 240 TW
SS - 200 TW (Pilot Sport 4, Bridgestone RE 71R, BF Goodrich Rival 1.5)
RH - 140 TW (Toyo R1R, Federal RSRR, Hankook vestus)
RM - non DOT R compound (Hoosier R7, Toyo Proxes RR, Pirelli Trofeo R)
RS - non-DOT R compound (Hoosier A7, Michelin Cup 2, Pirelli P Zero Racing Slick)

Now if they could get the heat/wear/grease model working better.
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I think you're a way out there.

Michelin Cups are road legal track day tyres - no way are soft slicks the equivalent in GTS.

Also, Trofeo R's are considered to have higher grip levels than Cup 2's.
 
Stotty
I think you're a way out there.

Michelin Cups are road legal track day tyres - no way are soft slicks the equivalent in GTS.

Also, Trofeo R's are considered to have higher grip levels than Cup 2's.
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The Michelin I mean is the tire they use in the Porsche Cup (I assumed they called that tire the Cup 2) which is very sticky and not a DOT street tire.
 
Waylon
I searched online and get very few information about tyre rating system in the game, how are they rated and what are the real life counter parts for each level? is sport soft more like michelin cup 2s? and also if anybody into motorsports can tell me what kind tyres they use in 24 hours le mans for P1 in equivalent to that of in the game's? racing soft? no clue...
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You may find this thread of some interest, although it was with regards to GT5 not GTS (make sure to read post 81 as well as the OP).


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