Originally posted by neon_duke
A Honda? Have torque?!
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From Car & Driver:Originally posted by j2s
this from a guy named NEON??
I did equalize the playing field - the Neon I quoted has the same list price as the Civic EX! If you want to throw the Si into the picture, then you just handed me almost $5,000 to spend on aftermarket parts before that Neon costs as much as the Si. And with that kind of money, I could be putting 200+ hp and 200+ ft/lbs of torque ON THE GROUND, not just at the crank (SAE net)! Or for the same $19,000 or so I could just wait till next spring and buy a Neon SRT and have all of that from the factory, with a full warranty.Originally posted by Primax
yes, that post is tru about the civic ex, but u are comparing the highest neon engine to the lower civic engine. Why dont u compare it to the high model civic engine?? It has 160hp and 132 Torque, which is only 3 ft/lbs less and not much of a difference.
And then j2s added:
yeah man, equalize the playing field.
plus, a honda won't lose hp after 10,000 miles.
Originally posted by neon_duke
From Car & Driver:
2002 Civic EX
SAE Net Horsepower - 127 @ 6300
SAE Net Torque - 114 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2553
2002 Neon ACR
SAE Net Horsepower - 150 @ 6500
SAE Net Torque - 135 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2566
Almost 20% more torque and horsepower, in a car that weighs a whopping 13 pounds more? And for the same price, too. I know which one I'd rather drive. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by neon_duke
At the risk of getting this thread *clicked* or moved to the Automotive forum...
Hondamobile: YES, they both have 2-litre engines and YES the Civic-R has more volumetric efficiency. But it costs more! Give me the difference in price to spend on the Neon, and I can easily make those numbers, without going turbo. Plus it would be more of a 'square' engine, with more equal HP and torque numbers - which makes a quicker car.
Alexy: 1) My '95 Neon is tight and rattle-free at 7+ years old and 80,000 miles. The only non-wear problem it's had was the headgasket, which Chrysler fixed, even out-of-warranty. The car has never once stranded me.
2) I couldn't care less about how popular the Civic is. That doesn't make it better. As far as the chassis goes, the Neon is one of the best handling FWD economy cars ever built - it is dominant in autocross and amateur road racing.
3) In your opinion it's an old man's car. Tell that to my friend Don Howard who has a low-13-second naturally aspirated Neon that he drives to work every day. He used it to win the American Mopar Nationals burnout contest against lots of huge-engined late-60s muscle cars. Neons are currently the fastest two FWD unibody (non-tube-framed) drag racers in America. Dollar for dollar I can out-tune a Civic with the Neon - in both power and handling, at least in America.
So, cheers, mate, but I think the American car wins again.![]()
Yes, I do love it, because it was cheap and offers excellent performance. Plus, I prefer to do things my own way rather than always follow the crowd. I like to root for the underdog - especially when the underdog is actually better!Originally posted by alexy2k
The Fast and The Furious showed the awesomeness of the :honda: Civic, did you see any Neons, and if yes how many?
Originally posted by neon_duke
1) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
2) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
3) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
Originally posted by neon_duke
At the risk of getting this thread *clicked* or moved to the Automotive forum...
Hondamobile: YES, they both have 2-litre engines and YES the Civic-R has more volumetric efficiency. But it costs more! Give me the difference in price to spend on the Neon, and I can easily make those numbers, without going turbo. Plus it would be more of a 'square' engine, with more equal HP and torque numbers - which makes a quicker car.
Alexy: 1) My '95 Neon is tight and rattle-free at 7+ years old and 80,000 miles. The only non-wear problem it's had was the headgasket, which Chrysler fixed, even out-of-warranty. The car has never once stranded me.
2) I couldn't care less about how popular the Civic is. That doesn't make it better. As far as the chassis goes, the Neon is one of the best handling FWD economy cars ever built - it is dominant in autocross and amateur road racing.
3) In your opinion it's an old man's car. Tell that to my friend Don Howard who has a low-13-second naturally aspirated Neon that he drives to work every day. He used it to win the American Mopar Nationals burnout contest against lots of huge-engined late-60s muscle cars. Neons are currently the fastest two FWD unibody (non-tube-framed) drag racers in America. Dollar for dollar I can out-tune a Civic with the Neon - in both power and handling, at least in America.
So, cheers, mate, but I think the American car wins again.![]()
Care to bet? I know somebody who uses their Neon for courier service making medical deliveries. That Neon has about 350,000 miles on it at last count. Original engine. Several clutches, yes, but original engine. There are some known over 200,000 miles and many well over 100,000.Originally posted by j2s
there is just about NO WAY you can get an honest 200,000 miles out of a Neon.