Does anyone like the Spoon Civic Type-R

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That car is so much fun to drive... Although it's a little bit slow when fully modified, I love hearing the engine scream at 16000 rpm.

Does it have the highest torque compared to other cars in GT3?
 
Originally posted by j2s
this from a guy named NEON??
From Car & Driver:

2002 Civic EX
SAE Net Horsepower - 127 @ 6300
SAE Net Torque - 114 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2553

2002 Neon ACR
SAE Net Horsepower - 150 @ 6500
SAE Net Torque - 135 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2566
:lol:
Almost 20% more torque and horsepower, in a car that weighs a whopping 13 pounds more? And for the same price, too. I know which one I'd rather drive. :thumbsup:
 
yes, that post is tru about the civic ex, but u are comparing the highest neon engine to the lower civic engine. Why dont u compare it to the high model civic engine?? It has 160hp and 132 Torque, which is only 3 ft/lbs less and not much of a difference.
 
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Originally posted by Primax
yes, that post is tru about the civic ex, but u are comparing the highest neon engine to the lower civic engine. Why dont u compare it to the high model civic engine?? It has 160hp and 132 Torque, which is only 3 ft/lbs less and not much of a difference.

And then j2s added:
yeah man, equalize the playing field.
plus, a honda won't lose hp after 10,000 miles.
I did equalize the playing field - the Neon I quoted has the same list price as the Civic EX! If you want to throw the Si into the picture, then you just handed me almost $5,000 to spend on aftermarket parts before that Neon costs as much as the Si. And with that kind of money, I could be putting 200+ hp and 200+ ft/lbs of torque ON THE GROUND, not just at the crank (SAE net)! Or for the same $19,000 or so I could just wait till next spring and buy a Neon SRT and have all of that from the factory, with a full warranty.

Plus the Si is 200 pounds heavier still! And based on independent testing (Grassroots Motorsports), the Neon I quoted handles better than the Si on an autocross course by a healthy margin - like more than a second on a 50-second lap.

Why would the Neon lose horsepower after 10,000 miles? The 420A bottom end is fairly bulletproof, especially in the SOHC variety. Stock engines stand up to thousands of miles of sustained 6,000-rpm roadracing with few problems. My Neon has 80,000 hard miles on it, including track days at Road Atlanta, and autocross competition. If anything it's more rev-happy now than when I got it.

Don't believe everything your Stupid Street and Sport Compact Honda magazines say. Honda makes very nice cars; it's true. But they do not walk on water.

Edit: One last little thing - if the 160-hp Si is so hot, why did the SCCA put it in Showroom Stock C, against the 132-hp Neon, instead of SSB, against the 150-hp Neon?
:lol:
 
I enjoy driving the Spoon. It has more potential that most suspect, and can win quite a few races.

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Oh wait, we're talking about GT3 here? Sorry...
:lol:
I haven't driven the Spoon Civic TR. The stock Civic TR is not a bad little car, though. Like all FF cars it has understeer issues to deal with, but that can be handled with suspension adjustments.
 
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:smilewink
I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but I wanted to see if our new friend Cvcpower (who seems like a reasonable guy) had any thoughts to add.
:lol:
FWIW Neons don't walk on water either - I'm well aware of that! I'm just tiring of the opinion that Hondas are perfection on wheels. They're nice cars. That's all they are.
 
ok im not tring to be a pain, cause both of the neon/civic dudes backed off, but according to just engine specs (that is for both of the best engine from both compettiors:

From Sport Compact Car

(Neon ACR) engine code:ECH
Claimed cracnk hp:150 hp @ redline
Claimed cracnk torque:136 @ ?

(Civic Type R) engine code:K20C
Claimed cracnk hp:200 hp @ 7400 rpm
Claimed cracnk torque:145 lb-ft @ 5900 rpm

It's pretty close, but now look. BOTH of the 2 engines are 2.0 liter engines. see you just can't compare cars to their price. i don't know if it's the quality, but hp efficiency. well at least to the engines.

mad props to you both for tring to smoke each other.

oh yeah. spoon civic type r kick ass. true dat.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke

From Car & Driver:

2002 Civic EX
SAE Net Horsepower - 127 @ 6300
SAE Net Torque - 114 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2553

2002 Neon ACR
SAE Net Horsepower - 150 @ 6500
SAE Net Torque - 135 @ 4800
Base Curb Weight (lbs)2566
:lol:
Almost 20% more torque and horsepower, in a car that weighs a whopping 13 pounds more? And for the same price, too. I know which one I'd rather drive. :thumbsup:

:rolleyes: Well the :chrysler: Neon has poor bulid quality, which makes reliability an issue... :honda:'s Civic However is one of the most popular and reliable cars WorldWide: earth: and the Chassis are better :D

Plus you can tune up your Civic Real Good, your neon however in my opinion is an old mans car...:tophat:

Sorry Mate but the Japanese car wins again :chkflag:
 
At the risk of getting this thread *clicked* or moved to the Automotive forum...

Hondamobile: YES, they both have 2-litre engines and YES the Civic-R has more volumetric efficiency. But it costs more! Give me the difference in price to spend on the Neon, and I can easily make those numbers, without going turbo. Plus it would be more of a 'square' engine, with more equal HP and torque numbers - which makes a quicker car.

Alexy: 1) My '95 Neon is tight and rattle-free at 7+ years old and 80,000 miles. The only non-wear problem it's had was the headgasket, which Chrysler fixed, even out-of-warranty. The car has never once stranded me.

2) I couldn't care less about how popular the Civic is. That doesn't make it better. As far as the chassis goes, the Neon is one of the best handling FWD economy cars ever built - it is dominant in autocross and amateur road racing.

3) In your opinion it's an old man's car. Tell that to my friend Don Howard who has a low-13-second naturally aspirated Neon that he drives to work every day. He used it to win the American Mopar Nationals burnout contest against lots of huge-engined late-60s muscle cars. Neons are currently the fastest two FWD unibody (non-tube-framed) drag racers in America. Dollar for dollar I can out-tune a Civic with the Neon - in both power and handling, at least in America.

So, cheers, mate, but I think the American car wins again. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
At the risk of getting this thread *clicked* or moved to the Automotive forum...

Hondamobile: YES, they both have 2-litre engines and YES the Civic-R has more volumetric efficiency. But it costs more! Give me the difference in price to spend on the Neon, and I can easily make those numbers, without going turbo. Plus it would be more of a 'square' engine, with more equal HP and torque numbers - which makes a quicker car.

Alexy: 1) My '95 Neon is tight and rattle-free at 7+ years old and 80,000 miles. The only non-wear problem it's had was the headgasket, which Chrysler fixed, even out-of-warranty. The car has never once stranded me.

2) I couldn't care less about how popular the Civic is. That doesn't make it better. As far as the chassis goes, the Neon is one of the best handling FWD economy cars ever built - it is dominant in autocross and amateur road racing.

3) In your opinion it's an old man's car. Tell that to my friend Don Howard who has a low-13-second naturally aspirated Neon that he drives to work every day. He used it to win the American Mopar Nationals burnout contest against lots of huge-engined late-60s muscle cars. Neons are currently the fastest two FWD unibody (non-tube-framed) drag racers in America. Dollar for dollar I can out-tune a Civic with the Neon - in both power and handling, at least in America.

So, cheers, mate, but I think the American car wins again. :cheers:

:rolleyes: Man you really love your Neon don't you? Ok I respect your thoughts about it but let me end on this: The Fast and The Furious showed the awesomeness of the :honda: Civic, did you see any Neons, and if yes how many?
 

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Originally posted by alexy2k
The Fast and The Furious showed the awesomeness of the :honda: Civic, did you see any Neons, and if yes how many?
Yes, I do love it, because it was cheap and offers excellent performance. Plus, I prefer to do things my own way rather than always follow the crowd. I like to root for the underdog - especially when the underdog is actually better!

On the subject of "Fast and Furious", there are three things you need to remember:

1) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
2) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
3) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.

Without going into details, let's just say that a hemi-powered Charger in that trim could tow that Supra like a boat.
 
The point of this thread is to remember that when it comes to torque...

VTEC power rules!

AzN Revolution :honda:

Remember:

1) More people like Civics than Neons
2) The Japanese are ALWAYS slightly ahead of our time
3) VTEC power (Variable Valve Timing Control)

:D
 
I don't like the car much at all...looks ok, but driving isn't good...

Highest torque? Hell no, it's got minimal torque...
 
Originally posted by neon_duke


1) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
2) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.
3) It's a movie, made in Hollywood.


Wrong!

It's an overbudgeted lame C-movie, made in Hollywood.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
At the risk of getting this thread *clicked* or moved to the Automotive forum...

Hondamobile: YES, they both have 2-litre engines and YES the Civic-R has more volumetric efficiency. But it costs more! Give me the difference in price to spend on the Neon, and I can easily make those numbers, without going turbo. Plus it would be more of a 'square' engine, with more equal HP and torque numbers - which makes a quicker car.

Alexy: 1) My '95 Neon is tight and rattle-free at 7+ years old and 80,000 miles. The only non-wear problem it's had was the headgasket, which Chrysler fixed, even out-of-warranty. The car has never once stranded me.

2) I couldn't care less about how popular the Civic is. That doesn't make it better. As far as the chassis goes, the Neon is one of the best handling FWD economy cars ever built - it is dominant in autocross and amateur road racing.

3) In your opinion it's an old man's car. Tell that to my friend Don Howard who has a low-13-second naturally aspirated Neon that he drives to work every day. He used it to win the American Mopar Nationals burnout contest against lots of huge-engined late-60s muscle cars. Neons are currently the fastest two FWD unibody (non-tube-framed) drag racers in America. Dollar for dollar I can out-tune a Civic with the Neon - in both power and handling, at least in America.

So, cheers, mate, but I think the American car wins again. :cheers:


well i now see we have different minds. most of us honda lovers love honda not only for the engine but for the quality of the other stuff like the interior and dash. have you seen the civic si and type r dash. vtec+dick shift=kick ass car.if it was the same car and without the vtec it would probably cost a lot less.

and the Japanese are ahead of the US. name an American car that is equipped with a variable timing and lift control. even Ferrari has it now. :)
 
also, i have a 92' Accord that runs perfect. it is also older than your neon and has 234,000 + miles on it. it drive from where i live (Lone Pine,CA)(which you probably don't know where it is cause it's tiny and has a population of 2,400) to Chino,CA every other weekend to get stuff and visit my relatives and friends. thats a 3 1/2 hr drive at a constant rate of 75 mph. do you realize how many more miles i will drive it that car? only thing i ever had to replace on the car was the spark plugs, besides the filters. and it's almost completly stock (AEM intake).

but like i said, Import tuners like quality, girls, and VTEC, while you like cheap supped up domestic cars and read Car and Driver with older people as publishers while we read Honda Tuning and Sport Compact Car.

in the end we all have one thing in common, we love cars, and that's pretty much all that counts.
 
My dad has a '93 Probe GT(MX-6 underneath)with 200,000 miles, still runs like new on the original motor...
 
Originally posted by j2s
there is just about NO WAY you can get an honest 200,000 miles out of a Neon.
Care to bet? I know somebody who uses their Neon for courier service making medical deliveries. That Neon has about 350,000 miles on it at last count. Original engine. Several clutches, yes, but original engine. There are some known over 200,000 miles and many well over 100,000.

Unless I get tired of it there is nothing preventing my Neon running 200,000 miles, just like my old Supra, and just like my Civic before that. FWIW I have a '67 Pontiac in my garage that just rolled over 270,000 miles.
Consumer Reports (Retards) be damned, the Neon is just not made of tin like people think it is. I have nothing against Japanese cars. I just do not think they are the only choice available.
 
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