Does "clean" mean anything anymore?

[klassykid9801]

The OP is asking about people who ignore clean in the title of room not whether clean is better than dirty, you comment that clean racing racing is boring. To me it sounds like you go into clean lobbies and race dirty so you have more fun, ruining the lobby for people who are trying to race.

And what does any of that mean that you just said?

But i dont do that i join dirty lobbies to play dirty and it means what it says

 

[chuyler1]

If you can qualify in the top 1/3rd (top 5 of a full lobby), you'll find most rooms are pretty clean, especially when they state "clean". However, if you find yourself at the middle or back of the pack after qualifying, you'll get stuck with the drivers that simply have trouble racing the track, let alone racing clean.

Personally, I like forgoing qualifying so I start in the back row. I can watch the carnage in turn 1 and then slip through and chase the leaders over the next few laps. If I don't catch them, oh well.

 

[samie57]

Clean rarely is but then again blame is placed just as accurate as the driving. I got kicked the other day because of someone elses driving... Its just part of being online.

Same thing happened to me. I was taking my lines a little aggressive and a n00b hit me. I didnt have a mic so he told the host to kick me because I hit him. I had no mic so bam I got kicked.

 

[calico]

As mentioned above, look for rooms that will contain clean drivers first.
* PP restriction
* Tire restriction

Most newbs and bad drivers only get ahead by racing on RS tires. Find a room that restricts to SS or SH, or CS tires with a specific PP or hp/weight restriction and you'll have better luck. Lower PP rooms will offer more wheel-to-wheel racing and fewer visits to the sand pit. I would never race above 500pp in a public lobby simply because there aren't enough drivers out there (aside from GTP members) that can handle the speed and still race clean lap after lap.

Also, there are ways to adjust your driving style to prevent others from ruining your race. You should always hug the inside line of turn 1 on lap 1. No matter where you start, get inside and leave no room. Also take the first few turns at a speed that will leave some grip to spare should someone ram you from behind. When approaching a turn with someone in your draft take the inside line and leave plenty of room to your outside. If you don't, they will have no where to go when they miss their braking point. It also helps to tap the brakes early but with less force. It gets your opponent ready to brake sooner, reducing the likelihood of them punting you. In general, the best racers can run clean laps at the limit but can also run defensive laps to prevent others from passing or bumping their car off the track.

Picking the right track helps too. Nurburgring is not a track to race with pubbers. Everyone knows how to hot lap the track, but few know how to set up passes. The track is simply too narrow to pass unless someone makes a mistake in front of you. Monaco and London have similar issues. Everyone barrels into the turns without regard for the stacking affect that occurs when multiple cars brake into a turn.

Brake checking people is the worst thing you can do it does not prevent them from punting you it encourages them.

 

[mcfizzle]

But i dont do that i join dirty lobbies to play dirty and it means what it says

That's fine, but why are you commenting off topic then on a thread about people ignoring the title of the room, other than to try and cause trouble?

 

[ChaosStar79]

When I do clean rooms, I set them up to SH or less, 600pp, real edge, and I run Nur usually and voice chat disabled. I do get tired of "fag" and "noob" coming through the tvso I just don't let it happen. I understand SOME SLIGHT contact will occur, but ramming and bumping will get you kicked out immediately from my rooms. I don't play "dont touch the host" but I wont be anyone's 3rd brake pad either. If you want a clean room that stays clean (as much as possible) look me up sometime. 👍

 

[chuyler1]

Brake checking people is the worst thing you can do it does not prevent them from punting you it encourages them.

It's not a brake check...it's brake modulation. Ease into the brakes and you'll lessen the chances of getting bumped. Any driver that deals with rush hour stop-and-go traffic knows this. Learn to drive the course with 80% brake and you'll a) be faster and b) reduce the chances of someone ramming you when they lock up their brakes.

 

[Mike Rotch]

As mentioned above, look for rooms that will contain clean drivers first.
* PP restriction
* Tire restriction

Most newbs and bad drivers only get ahead by racing on RS tires. Find a room that restricts to SS or SH, or CS tires with a specific PP or hp/weight restriction and you'll have better luck. Lower PP rooms will offer more wheel-to-wheel racing and fewer visits to the sand pit. I would never race above 500pp in a public lobby simply because there aren't enough drivers out there (aside from GTP members) that can handle the speed and still race clean lap after lap.

Also, there are ways to adjust your driving style to prevent others from ruining your race. You should always hug the inside line of turn 1 on lap 1. No matter where you start, get inside and leave no room. Also take the first few turns at a speed that will leave some grip to spare should someone ram you from behind. When approaching a turn with someone in your draft take the inside line and leave plenty of room to your outside. If you don't, they will have no where to go when they miss their braking point. It also helps to tap the brakes early but with less force. It gets your opponent ready to brake sooner, reducing the likelihood of them punting you. In general, the best racers can run clean laps at the limit but can also run defensive laps to prevent others from passing or bumping their car off the track.

Picking the right track helps too. Nurburgring is not a track to race with pubbers. Everyone knows how to hot lap the track, but few know how to set up passes. The track is simply too narrow to pass unless someone makes a mistake in front of you. Monaco and London have similar issues. Everyone barrels into the turns without regard for the stacking affect that occurs when multiple cars brake into a turn.

Pretty much sums up my contribution too. I'd only add that I don't participate in rooms without penalties and rather then brake-tapping, and if someone is on my bumper leading into a big braking zone, I'll feather the throttle to make them pull out of my slipstream well-before the braking zone.

Of course, you'll always have the morons who try and dive up the inside of Eau Rouge; one has to have a 'feel' for such twits and make allowance for them. They are usually the kind to end up in the gravel by themselves at some point anyway.

 

[klassykid9801]

That's fine, but why are you commenting off topic then on a thread about people ignoring the title of the room, other than to try and cause trouble?

Yes because im a naughty little boy trying to cause trouble.... Its obvious right? 😒

 

[Mike Rotch]

Yes because im a naughty little boy trying to cause trouble.... Its obvious right? ��

<has been handled, move along>

 

[DA__dogg]

I too find that open lobbies are usually nothing more than crashfests. I'm really glad I found a regular crew to race with a long time ago. We race in lounges in various types of racing series and it's a blast. Sometimes I take my race ready cars to open lobbies and see how I do. Other than that I rarely visit the open lobby part of this game because of the rammers.

 

[Hayden]

I understand that some people just can't drive aswell as others, but as i told someone prior to kicking them last night "There is a difference between accidentaly late braking and ramming." When i rarely host online races, clean is in the title and i ask everyone after each race if they saw any dirty stuff occur. If i repetitively hear the same name the culprit will get the boot, simple as that.
Unfortunately not all hosts care to put such effort in, especially those who inherit rooms when the host leaves. As said before, keep an eye out for rooms with tyre restrictions, it usually scares the kids away.

 

[acedition333]

Personally, I like forgoing qualifying so I start in the back row. I can watch the carnage in turn 1 and then slip through and chase the leaders over the next few laps. If I don't catch them, oh well.

this:tup:

You'll know after a couple races if the Host is doing a good job with the room and not letting it get out of hand. I'm not the best driver but I try to stay clean as possible. Bumping does HAPPEN and part of racing.

 

[ghsnu]

Everything's dirty now. Dirty car, dirty race, dirty clothes, dirty Stig.

No race is a clean race unless it's ether A) organized properly or B) has penalties. Without at least proper organization, hell breaks out quickly.

A bit of contact is fine, but bashing, slamming, and punting isn't - and for some reason, people can't grasp that concept.

But cutting off the apex of other drivers...isn't that done in real races? Maybe I haven't sat down and read all the racing rules lately...*races off to research rules*

I wish "clean" was in...but its not. Probably thanks to the large influx of youngin's who can't even see over the dashboard. Forza probably doesnt happen ether.

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Your skill and how clean you are don't necessarily go hand in hand, you can be slow as hell but still race clean. It doesn't take much skill to lay off the gas and let a faster driver through or avoid crashing into every car you come across etc.

I definitely let faster cars past when they perform a clean pass. Every time. However, you can't say it takes much skill to cut the track, hit people, and push your way around either.

Thats a stupid idea. This would mean i and some other drivers can't enter because of a lower skill

So the creators of iRacing are stupid? It isn't my original idea. For GT5 it could be more a matter of "crashing into other cars" and forget about the spinning out/ off the track sim stuff, just to make it easier for other drivers.

This would never happen anyway, but think about it. Those drivers that want to race clean will go to rooms with higher safety numbers, those who want dirty racing go to lower number rooms. Better for everyone. Plus, like iRacing, you could improve your safety rating. Maybe in a-spec or something.

I wonder why clean rooms don't run heavy damage? Lower skill drivers can still avoid contact. Just stop being so friggin aggressive (you in general, not you-you). Pretty much no race is won in turn 1, and many races are lost in turn 1.

this:tup:

You'll know after a couple races if the Host is doing a good job with the room and not letting it get out of hand. I'm not the best driver but I try to stay clean as possible. Bumping does HAPPEN and part of racing.

I don't mind slight bumping when we're three or four cars deep at the beginning of the race. I believe if it would ruin your race with heavy damage, it's more than a slight tap.

But cutting off the apex of other drivers...isn't that done in real races? Maybe I haven't sat down and read all the racing rules lately...*races off to research rules*

Well, yes, however I'm talking about when I'm already turning into the apex and they are not already side-by-side with me, and instead use me as a braking device to help themselves through the inside line. They're behind me and take the inside line, braking way too late, passing only as I perform the turn in, usually causing a collision.

 

[HaylRayzor]

I know the first thing you think of is 'HE DID IT ON PURPOSE!!!' but thats rarely true.

That's a mighty fine set of rose-colored glasses you have there...

Unskilled drivers are common enough, but easy to avoid.

Unfortunately most see GT as just another game and 99% of online games are people killing each other, so its not surprising many would play it more like a fight than a race.

The word "clean" in the room title is far less important than the restrictions and penalties. No SRF allowed, sport tires, and penalties turned on will weed them out fast.

 

[Bigbazz]

I've had plenty of clean racing in random rooms, and a few dirty racers too. Stick with leagues and organised events if you want the best quality racing. I've never done any events with GTP, but I'm sure they are better than the public rooms.

 

[ryanerb]

If you can qualify in the top 1/3rd (top 5 of a full lobby), you'll find most rooms are pretty clean, especially when they state "clean". However, if you find yourself at the middle or back of the pack after qualifying, you'll get stuck with the drivers that simply have trouble racing the track, let alone racing clean.

Personally, I like forgoing qualifying so I start in the back row. I can watch the carnage in turn 1 and then slip through and chase the leaders over the next few laps. If I don't catch them, oh well.

Well put! 👍

 

[Tower Turn 13]

Actually a good point. I usually forget that there is a "qualifying." Only the ALMS series I participate in is there an official set qualifying time, in random rooms it's usually just driving around for a minute and a half.

 

[BradKinder]

The only thing clean ever meant was that opponents on a racetrack could each reliably hit the same lap time.

Since nobody ever qualifies properly in online lobbies, it is never clean.

Edit: I feel compelled to say that anyone who posted in this thread and said anything that is not exactly what I wrote above this sentence is a stupid newbie.

 

[PAPPACLART]

I just stay away from public lobbies and race among friends. My rooms are full every night. All "Clean" and if not I can delete you and you don't get to race with us :-)

If you have allot of PSN GT5 friends or race in a group/club/clan, set up something like this -

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=229785

And encourage all your friends to sign up. If you have enough friends, then each person who befriends 1 new created account has access to a potential 100 clean audited racers in private rooms.

 

[friedi]

most time i join a "clean" race the host is also a stupid kid that blocks and bumps you, cut you etc.... and if you say something like "hey that room is called clean" you get kicked... thats really ****ed up stupid kids really hate such people:tdown:

 

[Grayfox]

Well clean is means no longer clean.

I had this UK host say race clean then he tried to tap me off at eau rouge and he ended up losing it. then he kicks me cause his little trick failed.

 

[Samareye]

I think an even easier solution would be to mimic iRacing's safety rating system. If your safety rating (based on collisions, spins, off-tracks, course-cutting, etc.) is lower by a certain amount than the room host permits, you aren't allowed in.

Great idea!

 

[Grayfox]

I think an even easier solution would be to mimic iRacing's safety rating system. If your safety rating (based on collisions, spins, off-tracks, course-cutting, etc.) is lower by a certain amount than the room host permits, you aren't allowed in.

But this can be exploited by kids, they can do a brake check in which you will smash into them giving you a mark.

I wonder why clean rooms don't run heavy damage?

Because it also affects the victim.

If we were doing a F1 Ferrari race on spa, I could just smash into you.

I would only have front damage but full power.
You will have rear damage and a damaged engine(low power).

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Screw em man,get aggresive

Thats exactly what we dont want, your attitude causes these problems.

 

[TiZzla]

Yea it's very hard to find clean racers.

I try to only race In friends rooms as I know they will kick any dirty racers.

If your In a room and someone is driving dirty, make a fuss about it and convince the host to kick them. If the host is driving dirty, call them a douche and leave the room

 

[mrkevans]

Clean is over-rated, and boring. With dirty your actually not snoring and staying part of the race, finding ways to survive the endless crashes and cars flying all over.

It's idiots like you that ruin online races, go play Mario kart if you want that sort of race!

 

[leepangfu]

I wonder why clean rooms don't run heavy damage? Lower skill drivers can still avoid contact. Just stop being so friggin aggressive (you in general, not you-you). Pretty much no race is won in turn 1, and many races are lost in turn 1.

I like clean races but I don't run heavy damage in public lobbies because there's always at least one who can't control himself in the first corner and hits someone. I tried heavy damage for a while but it got annoying to run the first lap with rear wheel damage. No way to get back in the race in a 4/5 lap race.

Edit: The room description is way too short to clearly state the rules. There should be a field where you can describe the rules and consequences that is shown on the main screen of the lobby or before that.

 

[iamjajo]

Clean rooms depend on the host to moderate things as people join. There will still be issues caused by lag, but getting rid of the backwards drivers is paramount.

PS. I joined a clean NASCAR room recently and the host and 2 of his buddies tried to wreck me for 2 laps. They didn't quite have the skill so they kicked me. They are all on my block list now.