Does Kaz just not give a crap?

[SopranoStylle]

Arcade is the most boring part of gt5 anyway

 

[Jubby]

Arcade is the most boring part of gt5 anyway

It's been the most boring part of any GT game, in my opinion... so what's new?!

 

[1241Penguin]

What's wrong with being elitist?

It's not our fault you aren't good enough, why should we have to pay?

That's a pretty arrogant statement. squeakD is simply referring to the fact that many of those who play online try to dismiss the problem by ignoring it and then telling him to go play online instead.

 

[squeakD]

How about this: I have good, fast internet, dont play online and read your entire post.
That said, while I agree with the idea of improving arcade mode, you pretty much wasted your time because you come across as a whiny kid(doesnt matter that you're not) who spouts suppositions like they are fact and then you proceed to accuse PD/Kaz of screwing us, ignoring us, giving us the middle finger, being lazy, and refusing to give 'us' what 'we' want. Fact it PD's done no such thing, and in fact their support of the game is probalby much the best in the industry.
Instead of the BS approach you used, how about trying the same thing using verifiable facts, references to deficiencies instead of accusations and lastly drop the hardon for online racers...they are not a minority and if you're going to get Kaz to fix something, you want EVERYONE asking for it, not a handfull of activists. Propose an alternative/improvement to arcade mode that will appeal to everyone including online racers and you just might get your wish. Keep going the way you are and I predict you will just attract more online racers to clog your thread.

I have nothing against on line racers and never have. Regardless of how many updates PD has provided.., over a year later off line players are still feeling left out.

These threads don't have to go south. If the on line racers don't use the arcade mode.., then what's the point of even bothering to respond to these threads other than to stir up problems?

I stand behind everything I wrote in that post. It's called keeping it real.., and sometimes developers need a more edgy poke to wake them up. GT5 has been out for over a year and off line players have been asking for more support for a long time now.

So what if I use the term Lazy. I call it as I see it.., and refuse to sugarcoat it to spare the developers feelings. Last time I checked.., it was ME who paid for this game and it was MY money that helped continue development. Kaz isn't paying us to play this title.

So.., this far down the road and off line players are still being ignored.., then yes.., perhaps a more harsh approach is needed to get their attention.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

How about this: I have good, fast internet, dont play online and read your entire post.
That said, while I agree with the idea of improving arcade mode, you pretty much wasted your time because you come across as a whiny kid(doesnt matter that you're not) who spouts suppositions like they are fact and then you proceed to accuse PD/Kaz of screwing us, ignoring us, giving us the middle finger, being lazy, and refusing to give 'us' what 'we' want. Fact it PD's done no such thing, and in fact their support of the game is probalby much the best in the industry.
Instead of the BS approach you used, how about trying the same thing using verifiable facts, references to deficiencies instead of accusations and lastly drop the hardon for online racers...they are not a minority and if you're going to get Kaz to fix something, you want EVERYONE asking for it, not a handfull of activists. Propose an alternative/improvement to arcade mode that will appeal to everyone including online racers and you just might get your wish. Keep going the way you are and I predict you will just attract more online racers to clog your thread.

I couldn't have said it any better. Nice response. This is what I should have said in the first place but I was too busy trying to explain my first post to him. You summed it up tho, quite nicely.

 

[ENTERSANDMAN13]

They arent being egnored. Thats why a new spec 2 disk is coming out. All the new tweaks and content without going online..

 

[squeakD]

That's a pretty arrogant statement. squeakD is simply referring to the fact that many of those who play online try to dismiss the problem by ignoring it and then telling him to go play online instead.

Exactly! His response is another excellent example again of online elitists who make assumptions. I'm not poor at this game.., and my lap times are quite good. Just because I choose not to play online doesn't mean I suck at the game.

 

[McClarenDesign]

That's a pretty arrogant statement. squeakD is simply referring to the fact that many of those who play online try to dismiss the problem by ignoring it and then telling him to go play online instead.

I admit, I am a tiny bit arrogant....

perhaps too arrogant to make any sense of what you said.

Lemme see if I got this right?

SqueakD is simply referring to the fact that many of those who play online try to dismiss the problem by ignoring it and then telling him to go play online instead.

I know I'm arrogant, but even my tiny ego-driven brain cannot possibly comprehend wtf you just said. At no point did I mention anything about online play, or direct him to do anything, let alone play online. I was merely sticking up for other elitist that don't appreciate such stereotyping from such a twit.

To stay on topic, the OP does come across as whiny, and there certainly are better places to post his opinions where they may actually do some good, as opposed to a mindless rant in an otherwise obsure forum. If/when PD visits here for feedback, I'm sure they'll likely go to the first place for such a thing... the Feedback section! Having played offline in Arcade mode, and with previous generations, I knew what I was getting into when I bought the game. If options or game play feature are in doubt, either because of connectivity or any other reason, I rent the game before buying it.

If I like it, I buy it. You don't buy clothes without trying them on, unless you know they'll fit.

Exactly! His response is another excellent example again of online elitists who make assumptions. I'm not poor at this game.., and my lap times are quite good. Just because I choose not to play online doesn't mean I suck at the game.

I never stated you were bad at GT5. I don't know, nor care, what your skill level is. Perhaps when you've completed Basic Reading Comprehension, you'll noticed that I stated that you weren't good enough to be an elitist. Having an internet connection doesn't make you an elitist. Otherwise, we wouldn't be elite, would we?

Just admit it. Elitlst are better than you by definition, not internet connection.

 

[Jubby]

Think about this from a business standpoint; an increasing quantity of your customers want something, and it means you can't give the stagnant quantity of your customers exactly what they want... but it means you gain more sales and a better profit.

If you were the business person in the above scenario; I'd bet you'd go for the sales and profit, because you seem like a fairly reasonable and intelligent person.

That's what Kaz has done, whether we all/some of us like it or not. If something is not going to be profitable, then why do it? If we want to hope for future editions, then we need to understand that not everyone gets exactly what they want or are looking for.

I feel that I won't change your opinion, but I hope that you will see the other side and be at peace with it.

 

[squeakD]

It doesn't matter how I worded the original post. Take away my more harsh statements and the core topic as usual gets beat down by the online community. It doesn't matter how nice or eloquently it's written. The fact is that this issue always gets beat down, and many have just given up because of it. Posting it in the Feedback section is just as pointless because clearly to date it's still a problem.

If Kaz had flipped on this and was catering more to the offline players there would be just as many more harshly written topics on this issue.

 

[ENTERSANDMAN13]

It doesn't matter how I worded the original post. Take away my more harsh statements and the core topic as usual gets beat down by the online community. I doesn't matter how nice or eloquently it's written. The fact is that this issue always gets beat down and many have just given up because of it.

If Kaz had flipped on this and was catering more to the offline players there would be just as many more harshly written topics on this issue.

A new spec 2 disk is coming out. All the new tweaks and content without going online.. how can he update your offline ps3? Send someone round to implant new stuff?

 

[squeakD]

A new spec 2 disk is coming out. All the new tweaks and content without going online.. how can he update your offline ps3? Send someone round to implant new stuff?

See this is part of my point. Just because I play offline doesn't mean my PS3 is offline. All of my gaming consoles are online via WiFi.

A new spec 2 disc doesn't help me or other offline GT gamers because what's needed to fix our problem needs to be done via a patch on PD's end. How hard is it for them to simply make some tweaks to the Arcade Mode so those of us who prefer to not race online can get more enjoyment out of this game?

With all that has been added via patch updates.., I have a hard time believing that Kaz's team can't rewrite a little bit of code to give offline racers a better and more polished arcade mode. Just some minor tweaks to the AI assignments in relation to PP would be great.

 

[1241Penguin]

I admit, I am a tiny bit arrogant....

perhaps too arrogant to make any sense of what you said.

Lemme see if I got this right?

SqueakD is simply referring to the fact that many of those who play online try to dismiss the problem by ignoring it and then telling him to go play online instead.

I know I'm arrogant, but even my tiny ego-driven brain cannot possibly comprehend wtf you just said.

squeakD is saying that "online elitists" are bashing him for playing offline only. While I agree that you need to play online as well to fully see what PD has done, that is not consulting the problem. Instead, that's just ignoring the problem. It's kind of like covering a hole in the wall with a drawer or something; you're finding a way around the problem rather than fixing it.

To stay on topic, the OP does come across as whiny, and there certainly are better places to post his opinions where they may actually do some good, as opposed to a mindless rant in an otherwise obsure forum. If/when PD visits here for feedback, I'm sure they'll likely go to the first place for such a thing... the Feedback section!

Undoubtedly. 👍

Think about this from a business standpoint; an increasing quantity of your customers want something, and it means you can't give the stagnant quantity of your customers exactly what they want... but it means you gain more sales and a better profit.

If you were the business person in the above scenario; I'd bet you'd go for the sales and profit, because you seem like a fairly reasonable and intelligent person.

That's what Kaz has done, whether we all/some of us like it or not. If something is not going to be profitable, then why do it? If we want to hope for future editions, then we need to understand that not everyone gets exactly what they want or are looking for.

I feel that I won't change your opinion, but I hope that you will see the other side and be at peace with it.

Yeah! While I sort of agree with OP, I think that people need to try and see things from somebody else's viewpoint, to see what they think and why they're doing what they're doing.

 

[McClarenDesign]

It doesn't matter how I worded the original post. Take away my more harsh statements and the core topic as usual gets beat down by the online community. It doesn't matter how nice or eloquently it's written. The fact is that this issue always gets beat down, and many have just given up because of it. Posting it in the Feedback section is just as pointless because clearly to date it's still a problem.

If Kaz had flipped on this and was catering more to the offline players there would be just as many more harshly written topics on this issue.

You're right. Perhaps when Kaz is done clearing his schedule to fullfill your desires, he can move on to the next twit with a gripe. My bad.

To say Kaz doesn't give a crap is a slap-in-the-face to PD and the work they've given us since release. For better or worse, a lot of people waited an awful long time for this game. There are even quite a few of us that enjoy the game, even the offline aspects. Perhaps when you're done with your long day at work, you can have a customer come up to you and ask why you didn't give a crap about the job you did. Personally, I have more respect for customers that phrase things a bit nicer, and include measures to correct or improve the concern, rather than berate accuse.

Then again, I suppose you'll figure it out sooner or later. It's clearly a behavioral pattern that will likely play out again and again until you learn how to express yourself in a more productive manner.

Rather than cry.

Like my 4 year old.

 

[Brend]

I'm going to be honest here:
-I only use Arcade mode when showing the game to a friend, GT Life is much better. even offline, where I do most if not all my racing

I agree we should have had more events but what about the seasonals...there's your interesting events? I can understand your frustration bud but Kaz does care...a lot. Look at the amount of support he has given the game!

 

[squeakD]

You're right. Perhaps when Kaz is done clearing his schedule to fullfill your desires, he can move on to the next twit with a gripe. My bad.

My desires? Get over yourself man. The offline GT community has been asking for this for a long time now. Like I said.., if the online players were ignored as harshly as the offline players with this title.., there'd clearly be a reversal here.., and we'd be seeing tons of rants, gripes, and whining from the online community.

There'd be just as many online "twits" complaing as well.

 

[McClarenDesign]

The offline GT community has been asking for this for a long time now.

Sorry. Couldn't hear you over their deafening silence. Could you speak up?

 

[squeakD]

Sorry. Couldn't hear you over their deafening silence. Could you speak up?

What's the point in acting like such an ass. If this title is of no interest to you then MOVE ON. Just because you don't or can't relate to it doesn't mean those of us who are on the same page should be ignored or have our topics beat down by jerks.

 

[88FoxBodyFan]

I enjoy racing in arcade mode with my GT Life cars because it doesn't add mileage to them. I think there should be a way to make your races. It would be cool if you could take 15 of your GT Life cars and make them AI to race against. That way you could set the cars up exactly how you want them.

 

[Jason_B]

I agree we should have had more events but what about the seasonals...there's your interesting events? I can understand your frustration bud but Kaz does care...a lot. Look at the amount of support he has given the game!

I can't do the Seasonals since the last batch came out. Let alone the lock up issues I've been having since the last update. I'm almost to the point saying I'm done messing with it unless the next update fixes everything. This is the only game I play that is not on a cross platform. I have purchased both dlc packs too. I know I'll get jumped all over for saying this but I'm to the point where I could get an X box and Forza along with the other games I play.

I agree for the people who don't like going online like myself it is a very big drag.

 

[squeakD]

I enjoy racing in arcade mode with my GT Life cars because it doesn't add mileage to them. I think there should be a way to make your races. It would be cool if you could take 15 of your GT Life cars and make them AI to race against. That way you could set the cars up exactly how you want them.

That would be nice. There's a lot that Kaz can do to improve the Arcade Mode. Perhaps some are having trouble understanding it because the Arcade Mode in GT-5 is so vague and light on options.

I just wonder if perhaps some have really not experienced what a good Arcade Mode set up can offer in terms of customizing your own offline races.

I love GT5 just as much as the next person here.., and I want to see its continued development.., but I'd like to see Kaz start making more changes that fit the needs of offline racers too.

People here seem to forget about the lurkers on this forum. Just because you don't see offline players posting more doesn't mean they're not there. They're just posting their gripes on other forums and YouTube because they just get beat down here by the online community.

 

[squeakD]

I can't do the Seasonals since the last batch came out. Let alone the lock up issues I've been having since the last update. I'm almost to the point saying I'm done messing with it unless the next update fixes everything. This is the only game I play that is not on a cross platform. I have purchased both dlc packs too. I know I'll get jumped all over for saying this but I'm to the point where I could get an X box and Forza along with the other games I play.

I agree for the people who don't like going online like myself it is a very big drag.

I agree with you. There are actually more of us offline player here than many realize. Hopefully you don't get flogged for mentioning the XBox and Forza. I own both the PS3 and the XBox..., and I own most of the major (or at least the good) racing titles on both..., I even have some some titles on both consoles.

I just want to see Kaz push harder for us. It's obvious that the direction with GT5 has been primarily for online players this time around. Other titles clearly show that a they can still be extremely successful by continuing to cater to both.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

That would be nice. There's a lot that Kaz can do to improve the Arcade Mode. Perhaps some are having trouble understanding it because the Arcade Mode in GT-5 is so vague and light on options.

I just wonder if perhaps some have really not experienced what a good Arcade Mode set up can offer in terms of customizing your own offline races.

I love GT5 just as much as the next person here.., and I want to see its continued development.., but I'd like to see Kaz start making more changes that fit the needs of offline racers too.

People here seem to forget about the lurkers on this forum. Just because you don't see offline players posting more doesn't mean they're not there. They're just posting their gripes on other forums and YouTube because they just get beat down here by the online community.

Maybe you should take your own advice then. You knew how people would react to a thread like this yet you still go and make one anyway then get mad at the responses you recieve. Sorry, but I fail to understand your way of thinking. Sounds to me like a drama queen just wanting to get drama started, especially the way you worded your original post.

 

[J-KiLLA24]

PD has shown that they are listening to the ON LINE players. That I'll agree with. However.., Kaz has not been listening to the off line players. He continues to show support for the on line fans.

Technically, how can he listen to the offline players if they're always offline? Mind you I'm reffering to offline players that don't have internet connection. If an offline player who actually has an internet connection(like you), then why don't you tweet to him about the mediocre offline modes GT5 has and ask him to improve it?. Or if don't have a twitter account you can always use the handy dandy feedback section

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Technically, how can he listen to the offline players if they're always offline? Mind you I'm reffering to offline players that don't have internet connection. If an offline player who actually has an internet connection(like you), then why don't you tweet to him about the mediocre offline modes GT5 has and ask him to improve it?. Or if don't have a twitter account you can always use the handy dandy feedback section

Exactly.

 

[niky]

Sorry to rain on the parade, but this thread already covers much ground covered elsewhere... aside from having a flame-bait-ish title which doesn't adequately describe the topic.