Does Kaz just not give a crap?

[squeakD]

This has to be said. With all due respect to Kaz and the team at PD.., but when in the hell are they going to get off their backsides and start showing more support for all of their fans who RACE OFF LINE.?.?.? There is a large number of off line GT players who play this game as well.., and we too show our support by dishing out more money for DLC packs just like all the on line players.

For those of us who race off line, a main area for us is the Arcade Mode. Those of you who are not familiar with it.., Arcade Mode allows you to set up YOUR OWN OFF LINE races. You pick the track, number of laps, ect., and run against the AI.

The Arcade Mode in this title is ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! Kaz and his team continue to give the off line supporters of this title the big middle finger with this half slapped Arcade Mode. So many of you who race on line literally have no clue as to how many people are actually off line racers too. Realize it or not WE rely on Arcade Mode and Career Modes. Obviously GT's Career Mode is a joke.., so all we have left is Arcade Mode. However.., Kaz to date still refuses to give us a good off line set up.

The current PP system DOES NOT WORK in arcade mode..., or I should say DOES NOT WORK AS IT SHOULD. It's a complete cluster (you know what). How hard is it to assign a class index along with the PP index? Because of this very generic PP system in GT.., Arcade Races often turn out to be an absolute mess with the AI grid. Nearly every race turns out to be a game of "chase the fox" rather than feel like an actual race.

**There are other titles that utilize a combined system of PP and Class Index.., and although those aren't 100% perfect.., they're still far better than this lazy one shot number system PD uses.**

Because of this PP system.., the AI grid is often a hosh posh mess of AI cars with a line up with cars that SHOULD NOT be racing against each other. On top of that the FOX car(s) have PP numbers that are SOOOO freakin far ahead of the car you're in that it is pointless. I'll give a good example.

I just did a race using one of the DLC vehicles (Nissan Skyline GTR R34 TC). As usual it turned into a freakin game of chase the fox. This Skyline only has a PP of 620.., yet because of the lazy half arsed system Kaz and his team have used.., this car with only a PP of 620 is chasing down an Audi R10 TDI Race Car with a PP of 673.., and a Mazda Furai (no need to even list the PP as that's clearly a vehicle WELL ABOVE 620).

Seriously folks.., how in the heck is that even REMOTELY realistic (or fair) when there is a 53 PP difference (and in some cases higher) between the lead car and yours? It's down right LAZY WORK ON KAZ's part.

We off line racers also make up a huge portion of the GT family. Why shouldn't we also have our needs met too? We paid for the same game.., and many of us continue to show our support by purchasing DLC packs too. Yet after all this Kaz still gives off line players the shaft.

If you're someone who races on line and have VERY little to no experience with the Arcade Mode.., PLEASE allow those of us who support this title just as much as you do.., to have a thread regarding the horrible Arcade Mode that doesn't get mulled down by on line racers who go on about it as if it's something they play everyday.., yet to end their post by saying "Well I really don't use it that much anyways".

This is a LEGIT issue for off line GT gamers. We love this game just as much as you. It's time that Kaz and PD get a clue and show more love to us because we too show just as much support for this title.

 

[avens]

is it really that difficult to just plug in a rj45 cable?

 

[squeakD]

is it really that difficult to just plug in a rj45 cable?

What! You do realize that many off line players are already connected right.?.? Playing on line shouldn't be a requirement to enjoy the game. It would be different if GT has always been known for on line racing support.., and clearly that has NOT been the case as GT's strength in the past clearly and HEAVILY relied on a strong OFF LINE set up. Kaz and his team screwed off line players with this latest title. It's like he just up and walked out on us.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

is it really that difficult to just plug in a rj45 cable?

After reading his long winded rant then reading your one-liner, I damn near pissed myself laughing. That was a good one bro, lol. I, myself, hardly ever do arcade mode. If I'm not online, I'm usually messing around with A-Spec.

 

[squeakD]

Why do so many of the on line races here have to be such elitist jerks? What the hell is wrong with people who like to race off line. Geez.., shocking that some of us have no desire to deal with all the childish on line behavior so often seen in ALL of the console titles.

 

[squeakD]

After reading his long winded rant then reading your one-liner, I damn near pissed myself laughing. That was a good one bro, lol. I, myself, hardly ever do arcade mode. If I'm not online, I'm usually messing around with A-Spec.

You're an excellent example of why these legit threads for off line gamers go no where. No one forced you to read this. If you don't use it much THEN DON'T REPLY.

Plus you're completely clueless if you think that the majority of off line GT players aren't hooked up via WiFi or a direct line. We CHOOSE NOT to race on line.

 

[killer tiller]

is it really that difficult to just plug in a rj45 cable?

Not everyone has Internet capabilities and there are some who chose not to race online anyway. Either way he or she has a valid point

 

[squeakD]

MODS...., can we please have a thread such as this that isn't dominated by on line racers with their elitist remarks.

 

[squeakD]

Not everyone has Internet capabilities and there are some who chose not to race online anyway. Either way he or she has a valid point

Exactly! People just assume that off line players aren't wired up. Many of us are.., we just CHOOSE NOT to race on line. How hard is that to comprehend for some of you? I've got all of my game systems set up via WiFi. I just don't race on line.

 

[Jubby]

Not everyone has Internet capabilities and there are some who chose not to race online anyway. Either way he or she has a valid point

True. But... if someone wants to reap the benefits that would make the game more interesting, then they need to take the steps to make it happen. If they can't or don't want to, then there's nothing they or anyone can do about it. A major video game will not play to the minority anymore, they'll provide for the masses. The majority of gamers now are online capable. Sad, but true.

 

[killer tiller]

Exactly! People just assume that off line players aren't wired up. Many of us are.., we just CHOOSE NOT to race on line. How hard is that to comprehend for some of you? I've got all of my game systems set up via WiFi. I just don't race on line.

I'm the same, mines hooked up through Ethernet cable and I've bought all the DLC's. I don't race online because it's too much effort looking through rooms for one I like and I couldn't be bothered creating one either lol. But that's just my point of view

 

[squeakD]

True. But... if someone wants to reap the benefits that would make the game more interesting, then they need to take the steps to make it happen. If they can't or don't want to, then there's nothing they or anyone can do about it. A major video game will not play to the minority anymore, they'll provide for the masses. The majority of gamers now are online capable. Sad, but true.

That is SO not true when it comes to racing titles. It's PD that chose to ignore the off line GT players. Other developers like T-10, Codemasters, and Slightly Mad provide good off line modes AND very good arcade modes with their recent titles.

Kaz just chose to walk away on this one and cater primarily to on line racers. Plus if developers aren't catering to a minority then why would developers like T-10 put as much effort as they have into the career mode and so forth.

 

[squeakD]

I'm the same, mines hooked up through Ethernet cable and I've bought all the DLC's. I don't race online because it's too much effort looking through rooms for one I like and I couldn't be bothered creating one either lol. But that's just my point of view

I'm the same way.., and regardless to what these on line elitist say.., there are A LOT of us who have the same feelings on this issue. Some of these elitist here act like they've had on line racing all along with the GT titles..., when in reality even the current GT5's on line system is seriously lacking when compared to the competition.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Why do so many of the on line races here have to be such elitist jerks? What the hell is wrong with people who like to race off line. Geez.., shocking that some of us have no desire to deal with all the childish on line behavior so often seen in ALL of the console titles.

Sorry bro, but not an elitist jerk. I was laughing mostly at the other guys comment to you. If you are experiencing childish behavior online, then your in the wrong rooms or you are just a child yourself trying to sound older than you are. I'm 45, race with people around my age and never have any problems with child like behavior, obviously. Its only when I open a public room and the children start coming in do I start having problems. My suggestion to you if you are so unhappy....PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME.

 

[squeakD]

Sorry bro, but not an elitist jerk. I was laughing mostly at the other guys comment to you. If you are experiencing childish behavior online, then your in the wrong rooms or you are just a child yourself trying to sound older than you are. I'm 45, race with people around my age and never have any problems with child like behavior, obviously. Its only when I open a public room and the children start coming in do I start having problems. My suggestion to you if you are so unhappy....PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME.

I'm not a child. You and I are close to the same age. Just because you enjoy racing on line doesn't mean that those who race off line should be ignored. Racing on line shouldn't be a requirement.

What's so wrong with off line GT gamers having a good thread that isn't dominated by on line racers who don't even use the mode clobbering the topic to death when it's a legit issue for a large portion of the GT family?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You're an excellent example of why these legit threads for off line gamers go no where. No one forced you to read this. If you don't use it much THEN DON'T REPLY.

Plus you're completely clueless if you think that the majority of off line GT players aren't hooked up via WiFi or a direct line. We CHOOSE NOT to race on line.

WTF, I never said ANYTHING about being hooked up to the internet. I think you are the one that needs to get a clue there little man.

 

[squeakD]

WTF, I never said ANYTHING about being hooked up to the internet. I think you are the one that needs to get a clue there little man.

Then why make a reference to the cable?

 

[Jubby]

That is SO not true when it comes to racing titles. It's PD that choses to ignore the off line GT players. Other developers like T-10, Codemasters, and Slightly Mad provide good off line modes AND very good arcade modes.

Kaz just chose to walk away on this one and cater primarily to on line racers. Plus if off line modes aren't geared towards off line players then developers like T-10 wouldn't put as much effort as they have into the career mode and so forth.

I believe you missed my point, or I wasn't clear, so I'll be pointed.

The majority of people that have a PS3 and play GT5 are online capable and the majority of people that gave feedback between GT4 and GT5P said they wanted online racing. Kaz knew this prior to the release of GT5. He gave them what they wanted.

Focusing on PS3 titles; He gave us an offline race mode. It's bigger than NFS Shift, longer lasting than Grid, and more interesting than Dirt 2, to name a few. So, he didn't walk away. If you can't make up a 50PP point difference in arcade mode, then you may need to practice some more. That isn't Kaz's issue. At least the competition is tough, not super easy. There are individuals on here (not me necessarily) that can make up a 100-200pp difference.

Finally, If you know there are more people without internet connections playing GT5, I'd like to see how you know this.

 

[nitrorocks]

Just seems boring to me because the AI are too easy. But the guy has a point and an opinion so let him have it.

 

[squeakD]

I believe you missed my point, or I wasn't clear, so I'll be pointed.

The majority of people that have a PS3 and play GT5 are online capable and the majority of people that gave feedback between GT4 and GT5P said they wanted online racing. Kaz knew this prior to the release of GT5. He gave them what they wanted.

Focusing on PS3 titles; He gave us an offline race mode. It's bigger than NFS Shift, longer lasting than Grid, and more interesting than Dirt 2, to name a few. So, he didn't walk away. If you can't make up a 50PP point difference in arcade mode, then you may need to practice some more. That isn't Kaz's issue. At least the competition is tough, not super easy. There are individuals on here (not me necessarily) that can make up a 100-200pp difference.

Finally, If you know there are more people without internet connections playing GT5, I'd like to see how you know this.

Sorry., I have to disagree with the size of the off line mode because a large portion of the off line mode doesn't even involve you actually racing a car.., but taking a side line seat.

I'm not saying I can't make up a 50 PP difference. It wouldn't be such a pain if you could actually level the playing field so that the races are actually FAIR. Every time you upgrade to get closer to the lead cars.., the system just keeps assigning vehicles that dominate your own in PP.

I can't even begin to count the number of people I've talked to on other forums and on YouTube who play off line. The off line community hasn't shrunk in this game. It's still there. The problem is that our needs are being ignored.

I have plenty of friends that play GT5. All my age.., who like me are married with children..., who play off line. Kaz has turned GT into almost an on line exclusive title. I know people were asking for online play.., but for Pete's sake.., did he have to go overboard and completely shun a large portion of his fans?

Those of us who play off line have every right as the on line players to have a thread such as this. Our threads always get destroyed by the on line community because a large number of them show little to no respect to the off line racers.

It's simple.., if you don't race off line.., and don't use the arcade mode.., then what is the point in replying to a thread such as this and derailing the thread. Just because some of you don't race off line doesn't mean that those of us do should have our threads destroyed.

 

[maxpontiac]

Being how you around 40 years old, I would have expected some form of professionalism, or at least a sign of your understanding of it.

PD has shown that they are listening to the fan base, so knowing this, a more constructive way of communicating your issues would have been far more effective on your part.

Surely you had to realize that an insult ridden question wouldn't be taken serious by anyone other then the Forza fans and trolls.

Your obvious inclusion of Turn 10 in one of your subsequent posts seems to indicate that you have a fishing pole in one hand and a tackle box in the other.

Now please excuse me while I remove that treble hook from my mouth.

 

[Jubby]

Sorry., I have to disagree with the size of the off line mode because a large portion of the off line mode doesn't even involve you actually racing a car.., but taking a side line seat.

I'm not saying I can't make up a 50 PP difference. It wouldn't be such a pain if you could actually level the playing field so that the races are actually FAIR. Every time you upgrade to get closer to the lead cars.., the system just keeps assigning vehicles that dominate your own in PP.

I can't even begin to count the number of people I've talked to on other forums and on YouTube who play off line. The off line community hasn't shrunk in this game. It's still there. The problem is that our needs are being ignored.

I have plenty of friends that play GT5. All my age.., who like me are married with children..., who play off line. Kaz has turned GT into almost on line exclusive title. I know people were asking for online play.., but for Pete's sake.., did he have to go overboard and completely shun a large portion of his fans?

To be truthful: I don't play many online group races, just mostly seasonals.

You have experience with mostly offline friends/family/acquaintences, and I have mostly online.

You're probably correct, the offline community has not contracted that much, but I believe what you may be missing is that the online community has really expanded.

I, too, would like another addition to regular offline A-spec, but that's why we can re-do those races. When I'm bored offline, I redo something like the Gallardo race series and see how low I can get on HP. Or utilize the 4 hour Nurburgring endurance to see how low a PP I can do and still win(see Famine's thread in the race reports section). I'm sorry your disappointed, but I think he's done enough, and I'm even in a similar demographic as you with similar interests(from what you've provided).

 

[1241Penguin]

Offline mode is undoubtedly only half finished. Previous GT titles (namely GT3, GT4, and even GT5P) were extremely fun even without the online part. What PD doesn't realize is that people don't always experience the entire game. I've never even touched Spec Ops mode in MW2 and yet I still have TONS of fun with that game.

They have tried to fix this with the addition of Seasonal Events, so you do have to give then credit for this. Seasonal Events keep me occupied for around 45 minutes per event (excluding time/drift trials).

Online mode is much better than offline mode in that it's funner, but that's only if you manage to find a good lobby. You can always join a series in the Racing Series forum. That way, you'll find some clean racers in an organized environment that will keep you occupied and happy.

 

[squeakD]

Being how you around 40 years old, I would have expected some form of professionalism, or at least a sign of your understanding of it.

PD has shown that they are listening to the fan base, so knowing this, a more constructive way of communicating your issues would have been far more effective on your part.

Surely you had to realize that an insult ridden question wouldn't be taken serious by anyone other then the Forza fans and trolls.

Your obvious inclusion of Turn 10 in one of your subsequent posts seems to indicate that you have a fishing pole in one hand and a tackle box in the other.

Now please excuse me while I remove that treble hook from my mouth.

Oh please..., come off it man. Just because I make reference to another title doesn't make me a troll. What a load of crap. I own ALL the gaming consoles and I have ALL the major racing titles on multiple platforms. I'm no fanboy of ANY one title. I respect what each has to offer over the other.

PD has shown that they are listening to the ON LINE players. That I'll agree with. However.., Kaz has not been listening to the off line players. He continues to show support for the on line fans.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Then why make a reference to the cable?

Where in the hell in my post that you quoted do you see me making a reference to a damn cable, please tell me. I told you once, I was only laughing at the other guys comment to your rant. Nothing to do with a cable, just his response to your rant. Just struck me as funny as your rant was so long and he comes back with a simple one-liner. Understand now? Nothing at all with cables or arcade mode. I think I even said I don't play arcade mode, but neither bashed or praised it. Which means, I'm pretty much neutral as far as my feelings for the arcade mode go. I hope you understand now as I can't make things any clearer for you as far as my posts go and I really don't feel like carrying on anymore with this with you. Have a good night.

 

[squeakD]

Like I said before. As usual.., every time a legit thread for off line support comes up.., it gets beat down by the on line community. Funny how so often those who don't even use the mode seem to have so much to say about it.

 

[squeakD]

Where in the hell in my post that you quoted do you see me making a reference to a damn cable, please tell me. I told you once, I was only laughing at the other guys comment to your rant. Nothing to do with a cable, just his response to your rant. Just struck me as funny as your rant was so long and he comes back with a simple one-liner. Understand now? Nothing at all with cables or arcade mode. I think I even said I don't play arcade mode, but neither bashed or praised it. Which means, I'm pretty much neutral as far as my feelings for the arcade mode go. I hope you understand now as I can't make things any clearer for you as far as my posts go and I really don't feel like carrying on anymore with this with you. Have a good night.

If I misunderstood your post then I apologize. It's just frustrating that every time this topic comes up.., it goes into the crapper because a select few on line racers always have to ruin it. What's so wrong with the off line fan base asking for a little more support from PD?

 

[crossup]

How about this: I have good, fast internet, dont play online and read your entire post.
That said, while I agree with the idea of improving arcade mode, you pretty much wasted your time because you come across as a whiny kid(doesnt matter that you're not) who spouts suppositions like they are fact and then you proceed to accuse PD/Kaz of screwing us, ignoring us, giving us the middle finger, being lazy, and refusing to give 'us' what 'we' want. Fact it PD's done no such thing, and in fact their support of the game is probalby much the best in the industry.
Instead of the BS approach you used, how about trying the same thing using verifiable facts, references to deficiencies instead of accusations and lastly drop the hardon for online racers...they are not a minority and if you're going to get Kaz to fix something, you want EVERYONE asking for it, not a handfull of activists. Propose an alternative/improvement to arcade mode that will appeal to everyone including online racers and you just might get your wish. Keep going the way you are and I predict you will just attract more online racers to clog your thread.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Why do so many of the on line races here have to be such elitist jerks? What the hell is wrong with people who like to race off line. Geez.., shocking that some of us have no desire to deal with all the childish on line behavior so often seen in ALL of the console titles.

What's wrong with being elitist?

It's not our fault you aren't good enough, why should we have to pay?

 

[ENTERSANDMAN13]

Squeak use your edit button.

And i agree offline is poor, but i think the mistakes and feedback will be put into Gt6.