Dream Cars: Heritage Liveries

[RACECAR]

what Race cars would you like to see in the past livery?
For instance, I would love to see:
Loctite Mugen NSX
CDMA Cerumo One Supra
Momo Course MR-S
Arta Z
Castrol Tom's Supra

 

[Layla's Keeper]

Well, I can't stand the JGTC (damn series makes NASCAR look open-minded) but I will give an example of a current race car I'd love to see in "heritage" liveries.

Corvette C6R painted in the scheme of the.......

1964 Corvette Grand Sport: Sebring 12 Hours

or

1976 Greenwood Corvette "Spirit of 76".

 

[RACECAR]

sorry you don't like it.
some more I'd like to see:
Kure R34
Kure Z
Unisia Jecs Skyline(R34)
Unisia Jecs Z
C-west razo Z
Zanavi Hiroto Z
Pennzoil Nismo Z
Pennzoil Zexel Z
Zexel Z
BP Kraft Apex MR-S
Taeivon Trampio FTO (GT4 Car)
Cusco Subaru Impreza (GT3 Car)

 

[Mulsanne]

As for C6.Rs, I'd like to see Chevrolet enter two Corvettes at Le Mans next year painted white with two blue racing stripes (USA's international racing colors). Oh, and have the numbers painted in black on white circles like they used to do.

We have red Ferrari 550s and green Aston Martins, so why not a Corvette in the traditional American colors? Anything's got to be better than that hideous yellow they've been using for six years now.

 

[Jay]

Well, I can't stand the JGTC (damn series makes NASCAR look open-minded)

Odd? How so?

 

[Layla's Keeper]

They're an organization that goes out of their way to (through rules manipulation) make sure that Japanese manufacturers show up the world's finest sports cars.

Think about it, in GT500, the dominant Toyotas haven't been in production for half a decade, and have NEVER used their production engines. The cars are silhouette tube chassis machines with electronically controlled suspensions and ridiculously flared/spoilered bodies.

The Japanese manufacturers are allowed to run rampant with modifications where the European and American manufacturers are hopelessly restricted into irrelevance. There's a C6 Corvette in the GT300 class limited to 300hp. The C6 Corvette has 400hp FROM THE FACTORY.

NASCAR may have written the rules around American cars circa 1975, but they've never written them so that nobody but Americans can play (in fact, they'd very much like Toyota to join in the fun, and that's on the brink of completely happening) but the JGTC wants nothing to do with anything but falsified Japanese supremacy. It's a sad joke and one that pathetic import fanboys are willing to buy into if it means a Supra/Skyline/NSX is beating a Ferrari or Viper on the race track.

If you REALLY want to see how well a Skyline fares against a Viper or Corvette, watch the Speed World Challenge GT category in 2006 as a former Super Taikyu Nur GTR34 Skyline (ex-Falken Nurburgring spec car) is taking to the track against the Vettes, Vipers, and other fine sports cars of the world.

 

[Jay]

There's a C6 Corvette in the GT300 class limited to 300hp. The C6 Corvette has 400hp FROM THE FACTORY.

Obviously the Vette has to be limited to 300 thats the class, if they dont like it then they can go for the GT500 class.

 

[RACECAR]

now some prototypes raced by Team oreca:
Reynard 2KQ in the 01',02',05 Liveries
Dallara LMP in the 00',05' Liveries
Audi R8 in the 00',01',02' Liveries

 

[RACECAR]

Cadillac CTS-V SWC in 00 Cadillac LMP Livery
Dome S101 in 03 Takata Livery
Courage C65 in 91 mazda Livery





BTW, Audi is unveiling the R10 tomarrow.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Let´s hope that the R10 is unveiled in a true german silver livery then!

And for Japanese vs the rest, watch the FIA GT3 2006. Features the likes of Viper, Ascari, Lotus, and as it looks a 350Z! Should make for some nice racing! For more info go here !

 

[Mulsanne]

Don't know if you can call it a "heritage livery," but I want to see one of these: http://www.speedarena.com/news/publish/sportscar/article_6324.shtml in Champion Racing livery. Preferably, for Sebring 2006. Especially since I'll be there.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

hmmm, that R10 looks very competitive. Guess Audi will dominate another 5 or 6 years in ALMS/LMES/LeMans...

 

[RACECAR]

can't wait to see that next year. its gonna be weird though not seeing an R8 in the grid for ALMS, Le Mans, or LMES.

 

[Mulsanne]

Even though I prefer closed-top prototypes over the spyders, I think the R10 looks beautiful. And it still looks a lot like the R8, so we won't be missing it too much. I would love to see a side-by-side comparison photo of the R8 and R10.

Audi's dominance looks set to begin again, as the ACO rules favor the diesel engine* and Peugeot is the only major manufacturer set to challenge them (for 2007). And to me, that's okay. Le Mans/ALMS/LMS is supposed to be about "may the best man (team) win."

* I am upset with the ACO for favoring the diesels. I don't have a problem with diesel engines, or any new technology being tried on sports cars. Hell, that's what prototypes are supposed to be about! However, they should be given equal treatment under the rules and if they are superior, they should win. But for the ACO to give them an advantage, it's insane.

But I have to hand it to Audi. Unlike other manufacturers, the factory team stuck around after winning Le Mans once and Audi sold cars to private teams (even if they were overly restrictive about it). They should have nothing else to prove. Other manufacturers have come in, won and then left (cough, BMW, cough). And yet, Audi has come back with a new car and a new challenge. Props to them for coming back and supporting sports car racing. 👍 👍

I'm really looking forward to seeing a pair of R10s on the grid at Sebring. That and a pair of Porsche LMP2s and the new Dyson Lolas (and hopefully, a Creation Zytek hybrid - fingers crossed).

 

[RACECAR]

But I have to hand it to Audi. Unlike other manufacturers, the factory team stuck around after winning Le Mans once and Audi sold cars to private teams (even if they were overly restrictive about it). They should have nothing else to prove. Other manufacturers have come in, won and then left (cough, BMW, cough). And yet, Audi has come back with a new car and a new challenge. Props to them for coming back and supporting sports car racing. 👍 👍

Other manufacterers have come in, won and then left(cough BMW, cough)my friend I don't think you've heard the entire story. you see, BMW was all dominate with their M3 GTR, that was until Porsche decided to complain about BMW's creative rule interpretation and eventually, the M3 was banned, forcing them to leave because that was their only car competing.

 

[Mulsanne]

No, no, I meant their LMP program. They entered LM in 1998, but failed. They came back in '99 with a new car, won Sebring and Le Mans. They contested the ALMS in 2000, but didn't go back to Le Mans, did almost no development work on the LMP and finally withdrew at the end of the season. That's what I was referring to.

As for the M3 GTR, I fault the ACO on that. The ACO threw out their own rule requiring a series of production models, and BMW took advantage of that (it had already been exploited by Porsche) and built a winning car, with no intention of building road cars. Because BMW shrugged off a Le Mans attempt, the ACO came down hard on them and banned the car.

Honestly, I don't know what is so 🤬 hard to understand about GT racing. It's supposed to be about racing cars based on their road-going sisters. However, the ACO and FIA manage to screw it up so much. They allow one-off cars that have no place on a GT grid, mess with the rules to favor one car over another and generally make it needlessly confusing.

If it were up to me, I'd go back to the original intent of the Le Mans organizers. Mandate GT racing cars to be production cars with few modifications (mainly safety) and base the classes on the volume and price of the road cars, so that cars competing in the same market would compete against each other on the track. GT1: low-volume, high price supercars (Ferrari Enzo, Saleen S7, Pagani Zonda, etc.) GT2: higher-volume, lower priced sports cars (Chevrolet Corvette, Dodge Viper, Porsche 911, Ferrari 430, etc.) and perhaps a GT3 for small, cheap sports cars (Mazda Miata, Honda S2000, etc.)

A Prototype class would be included, to test new ideas for "green" cars (hydrogen fuel cell technology), but they would be real "prototypes" in that they would have to be based on a one-off, road-legal car. A series for concept cars, if you will, that would at least give the impression that the improvements made on the track trickle down to normal road cars.

Now tell me that wouldn't make sports car racing the most popular form of motorsport with manufacturers and fans.

 

[RACECAR]

I see. anyhow, lets get back on topic:
Porsche 911 GT3 RSR in 98' GT1 Livery
BMW M3 GTR in 99' V12 LMR Livery
Corvette C6R in 99' Livery
Ferrari 550(or 575) in 99 JMB racing Livery
Ferrari 360 in 03' GLV racing Livery
Panoz Esperante in 99' LMP-1 Livery
as for JGTC:
Reckless Celica
BP Apex Kraft MR-S
Wedssport Supra
Calsonic Silvia
Zexel Z
Castrol Mugen NSX

 

[RACECAR]

some GTP Liveries on some GT Cars:
Corvette C6R in the Intrepid GTP Livery
Aston Martin DB9R in the AMR 1 Livery
Toyota Supra in the 99 GT-One "Esso Ultron" Livery
Porsche 911 GT3 RSR in the 956 "Rothmans" Livery