Drift Revelation!

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Are you kidding?
I was messing around with drift cars, and I chanced upon a fantastic combo that I thought I'd share...

  • Buy a Nissan Skyline 350GT (It's called something like that, It's definately the 4 door), notably not the 3.0.
  • Buy everything except weight reductions. I find that N2 tyres are best, but anything ungrippy(?) will do.
  • You should end up with C. 460hp.
  • Do all necessary Oil Changes and Rim/Spoiler alterations, if you must. ;)
  • Take to Motegi Super Speedway.
  • Switch off all Driving Aids.
  • Enjoy drifty goodness!

I tried this and spent much longer on super speedway than I meant to...
 
Ahh... But ultrabeat has been around for a long time, so if this combination for a car is special enough to warrant discussion, it might not belong in the settings depot. What I'd like to hear is a report from others that take this combination and go at it on the same tracks. Develop a thought out discussion on how this car worked for you, what might improve it and how to helps others using the same car to develop there skills.

A Drifting Class 101 if you will. Everyone picks an identical car, combination and track, than has a go with it. I belong to a group of racers that do the same thing. Some fast, some slow. We pick identical cars then work on developing and improving skills. Questions, comments, likes and dislikes were all discussed.

So if Ultrabeat has found a car that is a bit off the beaten path, and it allows for a fuller discussion, I say have at it.

AO
 
I sort of had this kind of revelation with the 69 camaro SS.

Just put racing suspension on, a close or full tranny upgrade, N2s and 2 weight reductions (that's it, I didnt have a lot of credits at hand ;) ). This thing will go wider than anything I've ever driven, drifting full-lock through the dip @ deep forest with ease :dopey:
 
speedy_samurai
A revelation is an epiphany. teehee.
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smartass :sly:


ok, it maybe a revelation for ultrabeat, but I dont think this is suprising information to too many people in this forum (no offense ultrabeat).

That car will drift stock on N2's, even N3's. Infact, I'd argue that it's one of the best stock drifters in the game. It gets a lot of help from its close 8-speed tranny - keeps the revs right where you want them. I think it lands square in the middle of the beaten path, and not off to the side AO.

I don't mean to stomp all over this thread because it may turn into a decent discussion topic, but:
With the addition of power and drivetrain mods all you've done is added the ability to initiate by power over more easily, and extend drifts further.
You can add power to any FR or MR car that is setup to drift and it will give the same effects...

just my 2 cents
 
TankSpanker
smartass :sly:


ok, it maybe a revelation for ultrabeat, but I dont think this is suprising information to too many people in this forum (no offense ultrabeat).

That car will drift stock on N2's, even N3's. Infact, I'd argue that it's one of the best stock drifters in the game. It gets a lot of help from its close 8-speed tranny - keeps the revs right where you want them. I think it lands square in the middle of the beaten path, and not off to the side AO.

I don't mean to stomp all over this thread because it may turn into a decent discussion topic, but:
With the addition of power and drivetrain mods all you've done is added the ability to initiate by power over more easily, and extend drifts further.
You can add power to any FR or MR car that is setup to drift and it will give the same effects...

just my 2 cents
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Agreed....

I haven't found a FR car yet, that I wasn't able to drift with relative ease, with a bit of tuning...

AO does bring up a good point though... Back in the old days of GT3 drifting, we used to have indeapth discussions about tire grip curves, traction coeficients, etc... I would like to see a return to that kind of thing... Maybe we should get some people to try out this setup and report their findings?... Any takers?... It sure would liven up this forum a bit...





;)
 
iJDM14
this belongs in the settings depot
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It's not really settings though. I haven't played around much with the fiddly bits (suspension and whatnot) and I don't give instruction to any real form of setups.

I thought I'd share the joy that beauty brought. :)
 
I don't mean to burst your buble Ultrabeat. But i tried the car, hell i fiddled around with settings for an hour. And i found the car isn't anything special. Nothing better than a poetry sil-eighty or MX-5. Just your usual FR.
So i wouldn't call it a revelation as such, But i can't argue with it being decent.
 
DRIFTN
I don't mean to burst your buble Ultrabeat. But i tried the car, hell i fiddled around with settings for an hour. And i found the car isn't anything special. Nothing better than a poetry sil-eighty or MX-5. Just your usual FR.
So i wouldn't call it a revelation as such, But i can't argue with it being decent.
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better yet, Just add N1s and BAM your already drifting
 
DRIFTN
I don't mean to burst your buble Ultrabeat. But i tried the car, hell i fiddled around with settings for an hour. And i found the car isn't anything special. Nothing better than a poetry sil-eighty or MX-5. Just your usual FR.
So i wouldn't call it a revelation as such, But i can't argue with it being decent.
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It's fun but yeah, DRIFTN's right. It's not particularly special.
 
Well, I always get doubts when someone says buy everything. Cause I dunno, but I thought...for example, that I read that if you buy a fly-wheel it'll decrease your momentum. So.....will this be any good for Motegi?
 
G-T-4-Fan
Well, I always get doubts when someone says buy everything. Cause I dunno, but I thought...for example, that I read that if you buy a fly-wheel it'll decrease your momentum. So.....will this be any good for Motegi?
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I say we find out. If a handful of you take this set up to Motegi, and spend a 1/2 hour with then return with your results, it'd be a good experiment. Does the Flywheel make a difference? Will a reduction in HP help with shorter drifts, or longer drifts. What type of corners does this setup lend itself to?

GTP drifters are the cream of the crop when it comes to online drifting, and you are some of the most respected, so can we take it to the next level? Now lets us the knowledge here to improve everyone.

Just my two cents.

AO
 
nightkids4ever
This is a first where C trips argrees with us
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it's because of posts like that one that decent threads go off topic NK. Lets just leave it at that.


But ya, I like DR's and AO's idea. CMD started a drift settings review idea at IDM. It didnt get too far, I tried to keep it alive by posting a few more settings, but the traffic volume there was too low to get a lot of feedback.
Such an idea might be extremely useful to new drifters if something like it were done here though. There's certainly the talent to do it here (not that there isnt at IDM), and enough members to make it happen.
It would better highlight the pros and cons of various upgrades on different types of cars - the drift reference can only do so much, it's a very broad definition. Something more specific and geared for a single car, or group of cars with similar traits would probably be welcomed and embraced.

👍
 
Der Alta
I say we find out. If a handful of you take this set up to Motegi, and spend a 1/2 hour with then return with your results, it'd be a good experiment. Does the Flywheel make a difference? Will a reduction in HP help with shorter drifts, or longer drifts. What type of corners does this setup lend itself to?

GTP drifters are the cream of the crop when it comes to online drifting, and you are some of the most respected, so can we take it to the next level? Now lets us the knowledge here to improve everyone.

Just my two cents.

AO
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I'm off work today, so I'll take it to the track for a while, and post my detailed results... How about you BL?... Anyone else want to give this a shot, so we can get a good discussion going?....





;)
 
Delphic Reason
I'm off work today, so I'll take it to the track for a while, and post my detailed results... How about you BL?... Anyone else want to give this a shot, so we can get a good discussion going?....





;)
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yup, was gonna give it a go this afternoon. Somwhere between fluid dynamics and supper.
 
Ok cool, nice idea AO:tup:

Only problem is I'm only at 5% cause I started over again. I cant buy a fully equiped 350GT-B:(

It's a cool car though, I just saw it:) Looks pretty nice in black or totally white:tup:
 
Ok... I found the setup far too slippery, so I made some small adjustments... Lowered the ride height to 105 front and back, raised the spring rates to 9.5 front, 8.0 rear, and dropped the NA stage 3 in favor of an NA stage 1. Lowering power to 367HP, which is far more ideal for N2 tires... Although, changing to N3's and lowering the power to around 420HP will get you similar results but will still allow you to reach high speeds...

I threw together a little example... 367HP on N2's, 2nd lap, music is Underworld - Dark Train...

http://idm.lsdrift.com/Skyline350GTTest.wmv

As you can see, 367HP, on N2's, is suficient to drift the long corner with ease...





;)
 
indeed - full tune is a little too much power for my tastes
I have mine at 318hp (no NA Tuning) with N2's, and it will crabwalks Motegi in 5th and 6th gear.

I'm still tweaking LSD and suspension settings. I'll post some settings here to review when I have them fitted more to my liking.

edit: btw - just incase you try it like I did, avoid rapid ebrake taps to correct your trajectory with this car. If you quickly tap the ebrake while on the gas the rpm's ping the rev limiter and stay there. Power will not be transmitted to the wheels even if you continue to hold the gas after releasing the ebrake.

If you do this you must either shift out of the current gear, or wait several seconds for the RPM's to drop way down before hitting the gas again.

kind of strange. I havent noticed another car behave in this fashion in GT4.

edit2: testing interrupted by my Dorm's Floor Reps. Apparently I'm to take part in a football game against guys from the floor below me (strange that I was the last one to know about my involvement). I'll finish this when I finish it. Right now I'm at around 330hp and doing some final tinkering with the lsd and bound/rebound.
 
TankSpanker
kind of strange. I havent noticed another car behave in this fashion in GT4.
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Try the Fairlady Z LM Car, RX7 LM Race Car, Denso Supra errr ummm... Pretty much all the race cars do this... Funny thing though, if you don't get back on the gas, they stay in neutral and you just free wheel...
 
Oh those were the good days when we looked at everything to the slightest angle change in each car we drove in GT3. How about it DR, AO, and Boundary Layer (you change your name?) Lets do a study on what will be the most popular cars, (S13, S14, FC, FD, Supra, etc..) ANd show people what, say suspension tning is all about. Show why that something as simple as suspension is far more powerfull, then just raw power.
 
I would gladly endorse creating a thread on diagnosing a cars actions and how suspension changes and HP changes worked for differnet people. Taking perhaps the same car and tires allowing HP changes and suspension adjustments on a set track would start the discussion off in a nice way.

Yes, Tankspanker is now known as Boundary Layer. I think "Bound" as a short name works. Hmmm...
 
I think it would be good to have threads that go more in depth on the diferent cars/drift settings. I saw Delphic's vid and noticed how smooth the drift was. Are you using DFP or DS2? What if we had a list or way to indicate if a member uses DF, DFP, or DS2? The experiences I think are different enough that it should be noted. I tried drifting the car with the parts listed at the beginning of this thread and if my skills were better I would agree with the "setup". I was killing myself trying corrections in the middle of the drift just to snap the rearend ending up hitting the outside wall at Motegi. I'm still working on drifting(beginner) and I took this car to Suzuka East(it's a track like to practice a lot) and felt comfortable there. Some parts changes and fine tuning would probably get my drifts better.
 
dropzone
I think it would be good to have threads that go more in depth on the diferent cars/drift settings. I saw Delphic's vid and noticed how smooth the drift was. Are you using DFP or DS2? What if we had a list or way to indicate if a member uses DF, DFP, or DS2? The experiences I think are different enough that it should be noted. I tried drifting the car with the parts listed at the beginning of this thread and if my skills were better I would agree with the "setup". I was killing myself trying corrections in the middle of the drift just to snap the rearend ending up hitting the outside wall. I'm still working on drifting(beginner) and I took this car to Suzuka East(it's a track like to practice a lot). Some parts changes and fine tuning would probably get my drifts better.
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That's practice my friend. DR uses a DS2. So, you can get DFP smooth with a DS2. It takes practice.
 
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back on topic...
I'm 100% in favour of this idea. I think a team of settings reviewers numbering 5 or so would be appropriate. But we'd have to get a team demonstrating a vast array of tuning styles, drifting styles, and controllers. DFP settings do look just a bit different than DS2 settings to compensate for the pro's and cons of each controller. I dont care to debate that point in this thread though.

Now, I won't say that DR and I have identical tastes in car settings, but from another endeavour we're working on at IDM it looks like our setups are pretty similar. Having the two of us as sole reviewers may not give a great perspective on varying ways to set a car.

We'd also have to look at ways of determing what our specimen car will be.
1. Do we accept PM's for a given timeframe and put the most popular ones to a poll, and then do the winning car?
2. Do we open a suggestion thread every x-amount of time so members can see what other people have suggested so they can second an idea if they like it?
3. Do we take requested settings from the Drift Settings Depot?
4. Or do the reviewers just decide on their own, amongst themselves?

The first idea would likely be time consuming and troublesome to setup. You also have to hope for a decent amount of nominations and good voter turnout.
The second option is a good balance, and I personally think it's the best one I've presented. But it still relies on people putting in nominations.
The third idea would make my life in the settings depot easier :sly: , but it only answers the plea of one member in particular (and odds are that the member has long since left GTP). This is not a good option... just forget it's even here.
The fourth idea totally keeps outsider input from entering the equation, so it may not be very helpful to forum members. But may be the easiest to pull off provided that the reviewers can come to consensus quickly.


Just the ramblings of a procrastinating engineering student who should be studying for his stress analysis quiz.
please add your thoughts.

edit - or, do we scrap the reviewing team idea and just make a thread for everyone to openly discuss and post settings and handling quirks of a topic car? ...we still need a way to determine what that car should be though.
 
ultrabeat
I was messing around with drift cars, and I chanced upon a fantastic combo that I thought I'd share...

  • Buy a Nissan Skyline 350GT (It's called something like that, It's definately the 4 door), notably not the 3.0.
  • Buy everything except weight reductions. I find that N2 tyres are best, but anything ungrippy(?) will do.
  • You should end up with C. 460hp.
  • Do all necessary Oil Changes and Rim/Spoiler alterations, if you must. ;)
  • Take to Motegi Super Speedway.
  • Switch off all Driving Aids.
  • Enjoy drifty goodness!

I tried this and spent much longer on super speedway than I meant to...
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is this car a 4wd or rwd? because i need to experience a 4wd revelation myself. i would like to partake in some drifty goodness as well! :sly:
 
"2. Do we open a suggestion thread every x-amount of time so members can see what other people have suggested so they can second an idea if they like it?" (Posted by Bound). Either that or Idea number 4.

Im a fan of this idea.. It gives everyone the option to discuss on the car they would like to be suggested.


I Would loooooove to be a part of this, but since i lack a capture card, no one has any idea of my skills...

Off Topic: I think i might buy a Premium Account, im sick of my silly name...
 

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