Drifting too easy with DS2, but harder on DFP.

[Small_Fryz]

The only reason i think the DFP is harder, is because the DFP is newer. Gamers have been using DS2 for so long yet only just got a DFP. a new DS2 drifter probably finds drifting just as hard as a new DFP drifter. Practise makes pefect, im sure if one sticks at it long enough they will be able to drift very well with the DFP, even better than DS2? Because of the ability to control countersteering really smoothly.

I think its possible to be just as good with either, To be really good at DS2 requires lots of practise, just like being really good with DFP.

 

[Captain Trips]

A redundant word of warning; I highly recommend against drifting with the DFP if you drift IRL

This is a GOOD idea.

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I'd like to say that although he may be able to drift ably on both controllers, this is a feat a mortal may not be able to accomplish as I have attepted to drift with a DS2 and failed at creating good drifts, but due to the fact that I am not a Flawless Superhuman Drifter like tank-sempai, this is a bit of a toss-up.

 

[Ske]

I just converted from d-pad to wheel (old 270d DF though, i'm not a rich guy ) and I got a lot smoother and more consistent right away. For some reason, I'm having a bit of a harder time with hairpins now, but everything else is a great improvement. ESPECIALLY long drifts and drifts where you have to change angle mid turn (those were a gamble on the d-pad to put it mildly). As for the DS2 sticks, I can't even grip race with those, so for me drifting would be pretty much impossible that way.

Dunno if this is relevant as I haven't tried the full 900d, but so far I think the wheel makes it a lot easier to get consistent and most of all, smooth. It just feels more natural in a way, though the 270d response is a bit snappy

I'd guess people that are used to driving irl such as me would feel more at home with a wheel in-game.

 

[Stanley^Carter]

....are you serious?!?

i thought drifting with the dfp would atleast help you atleast 1% more than the ds2 wen it comes to real life? o_O

of course there'd be at least 1% lol

or maybe a little more.

but definitely not in the range of 50~100%

what d3p0 says is very true. 👍

 

[DriftingDreamer]

..lol now that's a little confusing stan...
you said that what depo said is very true...he said that if you use the dfp it would affect you negatively in real life
you say that it'll help more than the ds2
but if what depo said is true,,,wouldnt it be worse? cause atleast the ds2 doesnt teach you anything at all while the dfp teaches you negatively?

 

[Boundary Layer]

I'd like to say that although he may be able to drift ably on both controllers, this is a feat a mortal may not be able to accomplish as I have attepted to drift with a DS2 and failed at creating good drifts, but due to the fact that I am not a Flawless Superhuman Drifter like tank-sempai, this is a bit of a toss-up.

good grief.... give it a rest.


I do anything but drift well on the DFP.
I just got off of 3 hours of xlink last night - and the wheel work of Suzuki and Breaker put mine to shame. What I said was that it is possible for me to create large angle drifts on the DFP much like ones I might do on the DS2 - but I can't do it with the same consistency. I might spend upwards of 20 or 30 mins trying to nail a single section or large link on a track.

The analog sticks are still where I am the most comfortable. But all this xlinking is definitely helping me adapt to the wheel faster.

 

[Droptop_Chick]

..lol now that's a little confusing stan...
you said that what depo said is very true...he said that if you use the dfp it would affect you negatively in real life
you say that it'll help more than the ds2
but if what depo said is true,,,wouldnt it be worse? cause atleast the ds2 doesnt teach you anything at all while the dfp teaches you negatively?

It helps and doesn't help at the same time. It teaches you to be smooth with your steering work, but it also totally screws up your perception of an actual drift. Meaning with a DFP the more speed and higher angle you carry the more feedback the DFP will give you. Thats not so much the case with a real car. More angle + more speed = more floaty steering wheel. Depending on what you drive, and what the condition your steering rack is in, feedback can vary, but you'll never encounter a car that gives as much feedback as a DFP during a drift, not even an AWD. Because you can only rotate a DFP wheel at a certain speed to countersteer, when you hit a drift in a car, your reflex to countersteer is in memory of your DFP. Your movements will either be much slower than they should be, or you'll try and muscle the wheel around like you would with a DFP. Causing unsteady weight movements, erratic changes in angle (which usually spawns more erratic steering work), and in turn can change your line entirely. d3p0 speaks the truth, it won't teach you enough because the simulation you get with a DFP really is horrible.

 

[Greycap]

MasterDriver, I presume you don't respect those who play first person shooters with anything other than an AK47 attached to their computer?

I don't think I'm a loser just because I want to play GT4 without spending nearly 200 U.S. dollars on a DFP. If you have so much money, go ahead. For me it's not worth it. I admit it is more realistic, but if GT4 was meant to be played with a wheel, why are they sold separately?

I have seen those TankSpanker's videos and I'll be very happy if I can drift half as well as he does. I respect him as a hell of a drifter regardless whatever controller he uses.

And last, but not the least... this is a game, not driving a real car!

 

[Stanley^Carter]

sorry for the confusion driftingdreamer, my english ain't that good.

its like what DT_C said in her post, thanks to her btw.

 

[Captain Trips]

good grief.... give it a rest.

What? It took me well over a week to imitate some of your stunts from centrifuge3.

 

[Swift]

What? It took me well over a week to imitate some of your stunts from centrifuge3.

Very simple. he's saying that he isn't a super incredible drifter(nor am I) like you say he is.

TS is good so is the rest of IDM, DD and Phantom D has some serious skills as well. But nobody is a perfect drifter. Sheesh, the games only been out for 9 months.

 

[ViXeN]

A redundant word of warning; I highly recommend against drifting with the DFP if you drift IRL this can affect your muscle memory and may affect your real driving.

Interesting, perhaps this is a different situation all together, but I race IRL and racing with my DFP does nothing for my IRL racing...

It's not so much about muscle memory, it's about feeling the car... Your car never reacts 100% the same, so how can you develope muscle memory? Develope a nack for feeling what your car is doing, and you're on your way.

 

[Captain Trips]

Very simple. he's saying that he isn't a super incredible drifter(nor am I) like you say he is.

TS is good so is the rest of IDM, DD and Phantom D has some serious skills as well. But nobody is a perfect drifter. Sheesh, the games only been out for 9 months.

It's been out for only 9 months, but No One Sleep in Tokyo, because already Tank-sempai can Break Into the Night, and Get Me Power in the Night of Fire so that I can get Back on the Rocks and Dance Around The World, but you'll have to Make Up Your Mind before I go from Station To Station like a Speedy Speed Boy, so Don't Stand So Close to me, or else I'm gonna get you like a Space Boy.

/lame attempt to be funny

 

[Boundary Layer]

/lame attempt to be funny

agreed




now, as for the current discussion:

A redundant word of warning; I highly recommend against drifting with the DFP if you drift IRL this can affect your muscle memory and may affect your real driving.

I would agree with that comment also. I dont have a car that allows me to drift in RL. It's just a boxy grocery getter really (B13 Sentra XE). Nonetheless - after using my DFP for a long period of time, and then immediately going out in my car for... a jug of milk or something, there have been occasions where I do notice that I need a second to refamiliarize myself with first, the larger diameter of the wheel, secondly the fact that it isnt jumping around in my hands, and thirdly the fact that it takes much less than 30lbs of force to turn it.

 

[Swift]

/lame attempt to be funny

Actually, I would put it as a way to plug more Initial D into a thread that has nothing to do with it.

I have to partially agree with Vixen. Since a feel of a car and the feel of a videogame with just a wheel isn't even close. G-force, car attitude, etc. But there is muscel memory to the point of some steering. I mean, when I get into someone else's car I start steering it like it was my car. Until I get used to the new steering ratios and adjust. So it's very easy to get used to certain steering techniques, but my opinion is that drifting in GT4 wouldn't effect your real life drifting. But since I haven't drifted IRL I really can't say.

 

[Captain Trips]

Actually, I would put it as a way to plug more Initial D into a thread that has nothing to do with it.

I wasn't even thinking along those lines until you brought that up. It's a joke. Like as in "funny". Laugh. Or groan.

But since I haven't drifted IRL I really can't say.

Since I do drift IRL I can safely say as of yet, no changes have been wrought to my performance in real life. But then again, I'll say this once, and only once: Drifting IRL is a completely different beast from drifting in Gran Turismo. You can be a pro drifter in GT4 and still suck.

 

[LifeWater]

Since I do drift IRL

You have your license? Or have u been delivering tofu in secret for the last 4 years?

 

[Swift]

You have your license? Or have u been delivering tofu in secret for the last 4 years?

I should've said that. But it is a good question. Where are you driving if you're under the legal driving age?

 

[Captain Trips]

I should've said that. But it is a good question. Where are you driving if you're under the legal driving age?

Yes. My dad, Bunta Fujiwara, has me driving an old Eight-Six down a mountain every night at 4. /sarcasm




Are you trying to get me arrested here? Just know that I know how to drift and have competed in unofficial Gymkhana-style events. Let it go at that.

Edit: YES, I KNOW GYMKHANA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRIFTING. We sometimes put on a drift show afterwards though.

 

[Swift]

Yes. My dad, Bunta Fujiwara, has me driving an old Eight-Six down a mountain every night at 4. /sarcasm




Are you trying to get me arrested here? Just know that I know how to drift and have competed in unofficial Gymkhana-style events. Let it go at that.

Edit: YES, I KNOW GYMKHANA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DRIFTING. We sometimes put on a drift show afterwards though.

Sorry, not believable in the slightest. It might be true, but since you'd have to incrimenate yourself to prove it, I'll choose to not believe you until you come up with evidence.

 

[Captain Trips]

Sorry, not believable in the slightest. It might be true, but since you'd have to incrimenate yourself to prove it, I'll choose to not believe you until you come up with evidence.

Well, when I'm above the legal age, feel free to drop by and if I can still get my hands on my uncle's car I'll take you for a spin on some cheapass costco special tires, which is what I use for dorifto. Feel free not to believe me though. I don't have anything to prove to you.

 

[DriftingDreamer]

agreed




now, as for the current discussion:


I would agree with that comment also. I dont have a car that allows me to drift in RL. It's just a boxy grocery getter really (B13 Sentra XE). Nonetheless - after using my DFP for a long period of time, and then immediately going out in my car for... a jug of milk or something, there have been occasions where I do notice that I need a second to refamiliarize myself with first, the larger diameter of the wheel, secondly the fact that it isnt jumping around in my hands, and thirdly the fact that it takes much less than 30lbs of force to turn it.

well the wheel is normally on STRONG FFB so why don't we just turn it to mild or something since a real car doesnt have like you said "30lbs of force..." 💡

lol c-trips...if your going to bring up the fact that you can indeed drift, even though your under the legal age...AND NOT have evidence to back it up....why bring it up at all when you know that no one would've believed you?

 

[Captain Trips]

lol c-trips...if your going to bring up the fact that you can indeed drift, even though your under the legal age...AND NOT have evidence to back it up....why bring it up at all when you know that no one would've believed you?

To put in important information that you should NOT go out onto a road and spin the wheel of the car around expecting it to behave like in GT4. You're gonna screw up and screw up badly.

Also I doubt Swift can afford to talk up to me when most likely he's never even seen what 25 mph sideways is like.

 

[Swift]

To put in important information that you should NOT go out onto a road and spin the wheel of the car around expecting it to behave like in GT4. You're gonna screw up and screw up badly.

Also I doubt Swift can afford to talk up to me when most likely he's never even seen what 25 mph sideways is like.

LOL you assume that because you have much to go on? Like the fact I've been to the track three times and it included skidpad time in which they taught us SPECIFICALLY how to control oversteer. Man, that must hurt to be really really wrong.

 

[Captain Trips]

LOL you assume that because you have much to go on? Like the fact I've been to the track three times and it included skidpad time in which they taught us SPECIFICALLY how to control oversteer. Man, that must hurt to be really really wrong.

But since I haven't drifted IRL I really can't say.

What?

Oh, so you went to the track in the space of time it took you to realize I have, y'know, been at the wheel of a car?

 

[Swift]

What?

You said I've never seen a car sideways at 25mph. I have, quite often. But it wasn't what I would consider drifting. As it didn't require a specific line other then get the car sideways and hold it.

Anyway, you were really wrong and I personally find it incredibly funny. Now, you can admit you were wrong or you can try to keep backpedaling.

 

[Captain Trips]

You said I've never seen a car sideways at 25mph. I have, quite often. But it wasn't what I would consider drifting. As it didn't require a specific line other then get the car sideways and hold it.

The question is, have you DRIFTED in real life? Just answer that.

I don't care what you did on a skidpad. Have you been in an rear wheel drive car, and drifted it? That's all I care about.

 

[Swift]

The question is, have you DRIFTED in real life? Just answer that.

No, your statement was:

Also I doubt Swift can afford to talk up to me when most likely he's never even seen what 25 mph sideways is like.

And it was untrue. You didn't ask me if I have drifted before. I had already stated that I hadn't. But that doesn't mean I've never controlled oversteer at speed before. So do me a favor. Grow up a bit stop trying to know more about people that you simply don't and keep drifting.

You're actually getting somewhat better, but with your attitude, it's really hard to be complimentary to what you do.

 

[Captain Trips]

Grow up a bit stop trying to know more about people that you simply don't and keep drifting.

You're actually getting somewhat better, but with your attitude, it's really hard to be complimentary to what you do.

Then for god's sake, stop trying to piss me off, here.

 

[Swift]

Then for god's sake, stop trying to piss me off, here.

This will be the last post on this.

But you make a FALSE statement about me and I'm pissing YOU off? I'm thinking no. I think it's you making an assumption. So, that would mean you were wrong. The mature way to go about it would to be to say, "My bad" But instead you've tried to cover your tracks.

This was started by you stating that your illegally driving in drift events. I commented on it and you made a false assumtion.

If you have something to say about it, PM me. Outside of that, drop it.