Drivetain

[silverdiamond]

how are you

everybody

if i put DRIVETAIN in car like

clutch twin plate

flywheel

fully customisable lsd

ayc controller

carbon propeller shaft




what can make in the cars this part ?

this part Interest For what ?


i put in car and not increase power why



what mean this DRIVETAIN and Shortcuts for MR 4WD FF FR RR .....


MR
4WD maybe all wheel working
FF
FR
RR


thanks

 

[roflcoptor]

if i put DRIVETAIN in car like clutch twin plate, flywheel, fully customisable lsd, ayc controller, carbon propeller shaft, i put in car and not increase power, why?

Because those parts don't actually add power, they simply handle any existing/extra power.

MR (Engine in middle of car, power to rear wheels only)
4WD (All four wheels are powered)
FF (Engine at front of car, power to front wheels only)
FR (Engine at front of car, power to rear wheels only)
RR (Engine at rear of car, power to rear wheels only)

 

[ryzno]

Ok first off no offense but I had a little bit of a problem understanding your first question.
Now for you second question the parts you installed are for multiple purposes.

Clutch: improves the grip between the flywheel and the transmission, giving you a faster shift.
Flywheel: Lightens the flywheel to improve engine response and balance.
Carbon Driveshaft: Lightens the driveshaft to improve drivetrain momentum.
LSD: is exactly what it say it limits the amount of slip between to tires providing power.
AYC controls YAW which is a lil hard to explain. But it helps if the car if it begins to slide.

Now did you read the parts description and dont understand or what?

Now if you dont know FF FWD shame on you.

FF front engine front drive
FR front engine rear drive
MR Mid " " "
RR Rear " " "
4WD you got corrcet.

Also if you want to theoreticaly increase torque get an adjustable transmission it does not increase torque but does multiply the tourque and adjust where you need it.

 

[MrWednesday]

Because those parts don't actually add power, they simply handle any existing/extra power.

With the flywheel and propshaft, this isn't exactly true. They reduce rotating mass driven by the engine and thus increase the amount of power that goes into accelerating the car (vs. accelerating the rotating mass in the drivetrain).*

The extent to which this occurs isn't reflected in the stats displayed for the car, as far as I know.



* As an example of this, I did a quick calculation. A 30 lbm flywheel in the form of a uniform disc of 8.5" radius (hence having a moment of inertia of 7.5 lbm-ft²) takes 10 ft-lbf of torque to accelerate at 407 rpm/s. That's 10 ft-lbf that doesn't make it to the drive wheels.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Ok first off no offense but I had a little bit of a problem understanding your first question.
Now for you second question the parts you installed are for multiple purposes.

Clutch: improves the grip between the flywheel and the transmission, giving you a faster shift.
Flywheel: Lightens the flywheel to improve engine response and balance.
Carbon Driveshaft: Lightens the driveshaft to improve drivetrain momentum.
LSD: is exactly what it say it limits the amount of slip between to tires providing power.
AYC controls YAW which is a lil hard to explain. But it helps if the car if it begins to slide.

Now did you read the parts description and dont understand or what?

Now if you dont know FF FWD shame on you.

FF front engine front drive
FR " " rear drive
MR Mid " " "
RR Rear " " "
4WD you got corrcet.

Also if you want to theoreticaly increase torque get an adjustable transmission it does not increase torque but kind of adjust where you need it.

Yep you are correct.

But i have done a lot of testing with different cars drifting latly and have found different things. On cars like my current drift car 1966 Shelby Cobra the lightweight clutch plates (single and double) i have the LSD set 5/5/5 and i have the standard clutch and semi-racing flywheel and stock drive shaft.

Reason it have this is because. The lightweight single and double plate clutch actually makes the car shift slower. The drive shaft makes the RPMs drop too fast. The flywheel works with my LSD setting.

I have a tuning method I have used for a while I call the "part swap method" where most people I talk to throw every top end part on their cars. Where in a lot of people I talk to i tell them to try to take one part off and they are amazed at the differences in handling. But what i have on the cobra can be different on other cars. You have to play around with the parts and swap them around to find the best combination for that car.

 

[ryzno]

Yep you are correct.

But i have done a lot of testing with different cars drifting latly and have found different things. On cars like my current drift car 1966 Shelby Cobra the lightweight clutch plates (single and double) i have the LSD set 5/5/5 and i have the standard clutch and semi-racing flywheel and stock drive shaft.

Reason it have this is because. The lightweight single and double plate clutch actually makes the car shift slower. The drive shaft makes the RPMs drop too fast. The flywheel works with my LSD setting.

I have a tuning method I have used for a while I call the "part swap method" where most people I talk to throw every top end part on their cars. Where in a lot of people I talk to i tell them to try to take one part off and they are amazed at the differences in handling. But what i have on the cobra can be different on other cars. You have to play around with the parts and swap them around to find the best combination for that car.

:tup:All I did was define what he asked. And your right I use completely different flywheel/clutch setups on all cars, 1/4s and grip.

 

[silverdiamond]

what the best DRIVETAIN ? for race for drift


MR
4WD
FF
FR
RR


and if i put DRIVETAIN in cars mean update cars

i need adjust or not fully customisable lsd

how adjust if need adjust cars

 

[Lock2Lock]

what the best DRIVETAIN ? for race for drift

MR
4WD
FF
FR
RR

and if i put DRIVETAIN in cars mean update cars

i need adjust or not fully customisable lsd

how adjust if need adjust cars

For racing in prefer MR. They just feel great.

In drifting anything RWD

 

[roflcoptor]

With the flywheel and propshaft, this isn't exactly true. They reduce rotating mass driven by the engine and thus increase the amount of power that goes into accelerating the car (vs. accelerating the rotating mass in the drivetrain).*

The extent to which this occurs isn't reflected in the stats displayed for the car, as far as I know.



* As an example of this, I did a quick calculation. A 30 lbm flywheel in the form of a uniform disc of 8.5" radius (hence having a moment of inertia of 7.5 lbm-ft²) takes 10 ft-lbf of torque to accelerate at 407 rpm/s. That's 10 ft-lbf that doesn't make it to the drive wheels.

I really only took his question literally. Those parts don't actually increase engine power, they simply reduce the amount lost delivering the engine power to the wheels.

It would be cool if GT6 implemented "percentage transmission loss" figure into the car details though, so when you add parts like these you could see the gains. 👍

 

[generationlost]

I really only took his question literally. Those parts don't actually increase engine power, they simply reduce the amount lost delivering the engine power to the wheels.

It would be cool if GT6 implemented "percentage transmission loss" figure into the car details though, so when you add parts like these you could see the gains. 👍

👍

Not sure if GT5 uses bhp or whp for the cars, but showing the discrepancy between bhp and whp would be great. Although finding accurate whp figures for all the cars would be pretty difficult.

 

[ryzno]

👍

Not sure if GT5 uses bhp or whp for the cars, but showing the discrepancy between bhp and whp would be great. Although finding accurate whp figures for all the cars would be pretty difficult.

I don't think it would be that difficult, the automaker already knows how much power is being lost thru the drivetrain. Now figuring out how much they lose when mod parts are installed for every car could be difficult.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

what the best DRIVETAIN ? for race for drift

MR and FR are the best drivetrain, however if you have lots of power a 4wd or Awd car might be faster on the long term (anything like 10+ laps) since it's much easier to drive. A bit slower but much more forgiving. At least it is for me.

As for drifting, I use FR car but lots of people have success wiht 4wd also with some setup (go to the drifting forum for setup).