Driving Force Gt Video up (GTTV)

[tonyt3rry]

Thought id let you know, not sure if this counts to the ntsc version but here on the pal version

 

[RedOak]

where is that?

 

[tonyt3rry]

gt tv on the gran turismo prologue game bud

 

[Noah]

Yep I was on when they added it last night or morning whatever you want to say.

 

[tonyt3rry]

ahh sorry bud it only came up for me before

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Hmm, I watched it and thought, well this is kind of useless. lol

 

[tonyt3rry]

they need to add g25 support. bs. gt the best wheel, only thing good about it is the quick tune on the fly. g25's clutch and 6 shifter makes it a whole lot better

 

[spyrrari]

they need to add g25 support. bs. gt the best wheel, only thing good about it is the quick tune on the fly. g25's clutch and 6 shifter makes it a whole lot better

NOT!!!!!.....sorry mate,there are lots of people who dont agree with you ...including me!
the reason i bought the new DFGT is cause i absolutaly dont like the PLASTIC clicking no feel at all gear shifter of the g25................
the wheel itself is super,but the clutch and shifter dont remind me at all of the cars i drive in real life!!!!
sorry guys,its just a plastic toy....
therefor i think the new DFGT wheel is perfect cause it has the same "wheel feel" as the g25 without the so called :simulation clutch.............
i am sure there will be a modified g25 when gt5 comes out ,and i hope they will improve the clutch feel to real!!!!

no,the new DFGT wheel is the best for now,especially taking to account it costs the same as the prefious dfp when it came out 3 years ago........


spyrrari.

 

[Jay]

no,the new DFGT wheel is the best for now

In your opinion.

,especially taking to account it costs the same as the prefious dfp when it came out 3 years ago........


spyrrari.

Which is what the G25 cost me.

 

[spyrrari]

@viper...so....
its my opinion yes...
you think the g25 clutch is good??...
or what are you on about...?...lol.

spyrrari.

 

[Jay]

you think the g25 clutch is good??...

I think it is adequate, I much rather have clutch control then not.

 

[newbielives]

I think the reason people love their G25 is because they enjoy the operation lag of needing to clutch and shift, or needing to heal toe to down shift properly. It makes the simulation feel just one step closer to reality.

Off Topic::::
By the way spyrrari, I downloaded your Suzuka Vette replay.
Nice work being top 5, I'm going to try your way of going 3rd gear for the S corners, Keep in third for the first hard right after the S, and 3rd on the Long sharp left before the Long straight near the end.

@viper...so....
its my opinion yes...
you think the g25 clutch is good??...
or what are you on about...?...lol.

spyrrari.

 

[spyrrari]

i know what you are talking about viper,me too....
but if you also drive cars in real life(dont know your age and stuff)you have to agree with me that the clutch on the g25 is not as competent as the wheel itself...........
its like a ferrari with a diesel engine...tou kow what i meen,right???

as soon as there will be an update on the g25(it will come...!!!)i will stick to the new dfgt wheel cause it is perfect in what it is designed for....and thats it!!!!!

i can come home from work and after driven several cars every day,i just love the oportunity to come home and compaire the handling of the car i have just driven home with that on gt5p.......................and its just amazing how real(!)it feals......!!!!!

but,after i had a try at a friends house,with the g25,i whas shocked by the "plasticness" of the gear changer compaired to the wheel!!!!...............and especially the "no feel at all......." the g25 gear changer gives you.........

the wheel is perfect,the h-shifter is to be improved drasticly before i will buy it..........

spyrrari.

 

[spyrrari]

I think the reason people love their G25 is because they enjoy the operation lag of needing to clutch and shift, or needing to heal toe to down shift properly. It makes the simulation feel just one step closer to reality.

Off Topic::::
By the way spyrrari, I downloaded your Suzuka Vette replay.
Nice work being top 5, I'm going to try your way of going 3rd gear for the S corners, Keep in third for the first hard right after the S, and 3rd on the Long sharp left before the Long straight near the end.

mate,look at this thread and join...........

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105739

enjoy,and....3rd gear is the key

spyrrari.

 

[imthesoldier]

I'm one of the G25 owners and to me, the ability to use the clutch and H-Pattern shifter makes the experience of driving the specific cars all the more rewarding. The Ferrari F40 is a perfect example of this. No ABS, no Traction control, and no fancy automatic gearbox. It's just you and the car.

Also the abiltiy to rev-match and heel and toe makes me feel more connected with the car even though it's a virtual car.

I'll probably agree with some that the Shifter is a bit laggy in feel and the clicking noise it makes can be annoying (especially when other people are around the house), but the pros outweigh the cons.

 

[Kryz11]

I see a LAMBO in GT TV .. im guessing GT5 will have that car!

 

[91hondawagon]

I see a LAMBO in GT TV .. im guessing GT5 will have that car!

I wish. I really do. Can't wait to feel that Lambo understeering into a wall on a driving wheel (just kidding).

 

[nissan tuner]

the wheel is perfect,the h-shifter is to be improved drasticly before i will buy it..

agreed

 

[RedSuinit]

To be honest I kind of am attached to my Driving Force.

 

[RoboKrikit]

NOT!!!!!.....sorry mate,there are lots of people who dont agree with you ...including me!
the reason i bought the new DFGT is cause i absolutaly dont like the PLASTIC clicking no feel at all gear shifter of the g25................

The G25 shifter and internal mechanism are metal. The feel is poor because there's no resistance in shifting, but it's not going to break easily. You can always use it in sequential mode like everyone did in GT4. At least then you won't have to put up with the flimsy (mraewwrgh PLASTIC!) pedals of the DFP/DFGT. Not to mention accidentally double-whacking the DFP's sensitive and 'conveniently located' shifter.

 

[750F-RM]

Wow, love the driving rig in the video 👍

 

[chris0]

No kidding, that's a really nice setup. I like how he's so close to the screen, too. I game using a pretty large plasma but never thought of sitting that close. Might make the cockpit view worthwile.

One thing I don't get about GTTV and the News section of GT5P...each time there's a video available I get the video first and then, often a day later, I get the news telling me that there's a new video.

 

[kikie]

sorry guys,its just a plastic toy....

So is the DFGT Logitech said itself that the G25 is a better quatily wheel than the DFGT. The G25 has less plastic than the DFGT.

Info about the G25 and modification; a whole thread

http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?t=299371

DFGT review, pro's and con's

as soon as there will be an update on the g25(it will come...!!!)i will stick to the new dfgt wheel cause it is perfect in what it is designed for....and thats it!!!!!

A couple off weeks ago, I talked to Logitech Benelux. The people I talked to are Dutch, your people and I asked about a next Logitech wheel and about a new G25 wheel. They said that there isn't going to be one. Not in the next few years. Maybe they are not allowed to give this information yet, but I believed him.



There was a guy from Logitech, whom made some posts about the DFGT vs G25 but I can't find the thread/ posts anymore. He said that the G25 is a better build wheel than the DFGT. I believe it was this guy.

 

[GTP_JASE72]

There was a guy from Logitech, whom made some posts about the DFGT vs G25 but I can't find the thread/ posts anymore. He said that the G25 is a better build wheel than the DFGT. I believe it was this guy.

Yeah I remember him too.

His GTP ID is Goo

I found his post

Hi.

My name's Chris, and I work for Logitech. I'm the product manager for both the Driving Force GT and the G25, as well as the G-series keyboards and some other stuff. I'm the guy in the YouTube video explaining how the DFGT's new realtime adjustment dial feature works. Now that GDC is over and the wheel is actually announced, I'll try and answer some of the questions I've seen about it.

The Driving Force GT (DFGT) is a direct replacement for the Driving Force Pro. It is not intended to address the same customer as the G25.

The pedals base has the same external design, but the internals were modified slightly to improve reliability and precision. Much like the G25 pedals, the DFGT's are set up with two parts - the pedal arm turns a gear that is affixed over the potentiometer shaft rather than turning the pot directly. This means that excessive force (and the subsequent deformation of the plastic) on the pedals can no longer cause the potentiometer to move out of tolerance and produce erratic values. The performance of the DFGT's pedals should be significantly improved over the Driving Force Pro's.

The force feedback transmission is a double-reduction, single-motor system. The gear ratio has been modified such that it is much smoother and quieter than the DFP's. It also features a backlash-reduction main gear similar to the system used in the G25. It does not generate the same amount of torque that the G25 does, as it only has one motor, but it does deliver the same amount of torque as the DFP.

I'll pop in and answer further questions as I can during the week. It's been quite hectic leading up to the announcement, and I think it will only calm down a little now. Hopefully I can get some pics up of the internals as well.

 

[kikie]

Thanks


I have been looking for that post for over half an hour .

I couldn't even remember his username.

Here are some of his quotes about the DFGT and the G25.

The wheel feels more like the G25 than the DFP. It's a bit "heavier" to steer than the G25, but is much easier than the DFP. The G25 is able to be turned faster than the DFGT, though.

There is currently 6-speed support in the GT5rologue US version we demoed at GDC. Obviously, as we do not write the game, I cannot say definitively what the future holds for shifter/clutch support. I do not expect things to change, however.

The major differences between metal and plastic pedals are that there is more flex in plastic than metal, and that with metal pedal arms/frames we are able to use stronger springs without experiencing mechanical failure of the parts to which the springs are attached. The new design of the DFGT pedal arms mitigates the effect of pedal arm flexing on the pot, increasing reliability and accuracy to G25 levels. Naturally, plastic is easier to break than metal, but the type of abuse that would be required to damage the DFGT's pedals is significant.

There is no mechanical 200 degree stop in the DFGT. This is now handled via software, and is up to the game developer to implement.

EDIT: I've been tr'eed with a retrospective effect / action

 

[GTP_JASE72]

No problem 👍

He hasn't been around for a while though.

The rest of his post are in Here

 

[scabbyhorse2]

so general concensus is G25 is the better option eh ?
can the driving force be used with pc too ?

 

[superwally]

I've never used a G25, but the DFGT is far better than the DFP, and I've spent many, many hours using the DFP (I have three now), and there is no comparison. Not that we haven't been over this a few times, but my feelings:

DFP: Dead spot on center, small wheel diameter, bad pedal pots (that's why I have three), FFB sometimes just too much, even on reduced setting. Car setup changes have little effect on the "feel" of this wheel.

DFGT: Tight on center, even after many hours of use, massive range of FFB adjustment via the in-game menus, FFB very linear, and wheel self-centers pretty well. Same wheel diameter as G25, increased functionality with the new buttons (I like having more options for shifting other than just the paddles and stick), same pedals but with upgraded pots-yeah, the plastic pedals kinda suck, but if you don't slam them down with all your weight they really aren't that bad.

Best part about the DFGT is the way the wheel changes feel as you adjust car setups-last night I was messing around with the toe in/out on a Ferrari, it completely changed the way the wheel responded in my hands, and consequently the way the car felt on the track. I was impressed.

My only complaint is the lack of braking feel, I've heard putting a piece of hard foam under the pedal will increase the stiffness, but I haven't tried yet.

 

[spyrrari]

good review superwally,i agree with all of it...
spyrrari.

 

[kikie]

so general concensus is G25 is the better option eh ?
can the driving force be used with pc too ?

It is beter build and better quality. But if it is a better option is entirely up to the user. Some like the DFGT more than the G25 and vice versa. I always liked the DFP and if the DFGT is better, than this is a good wheel. But I prefer a clutch and a H-pattern shifter which the DFGT doesn't have, so I prefer the G25.