Dude suspended for wearing makeup

[ExigeEvan]

I doubt the dress code for his school stated that men should not wear make up. If he knew what he was doing, later in life he'd seperate those images into two lives - personal and proffessional. Same as I. When I'm out on the town, I'm all chains and spikes or whatever I feel like wearing. When it comes time for work, my hair is pulled back, I trade my chains and spikes for a nametag and uniform, and I go to work.

They aren't trying to help anything. They're trying to phase out anything that doesn't match their standards.

But how is going to school any different to going to work?

Maybe my opinion is moulded becaue I've always had a school uniform, but a school uniform keeps everyone equal, not the same.

 

[Ten]

I've been to both private and public schools in my lifetime. I can agree with you that it keeps us all equal, not molded.

However, a public school without uniforms does so to give the students that leg of freedom. To stifle it in such a way seems counter-productive. The teachers cannot rightfully refuse to teach you because you look funny. Perhaps if your shirt said, "Kill Mr. Roberts" and that was the teacher's name, but simply because you think they look wierd is both shallow and unfair.

If this is how they are going to do things, they may as well just adopt the uniform systeml.

 

[wee_man]

I would be disgusted and tell you to get a room, I've never agreed with public displays of affection.

Ok I agree unneccessary public affection just isn't on and I'd rather do without it, yet on the other hand you don't have to look. Like if you don't like a particular food, you don't go and eat it do you? It's the same when people rant on about how gays are just wrong and there isn't a place on this earth for them. They should just shut up, it doesn't affect them does it! If someone chooses to be gay, good for them, and let them just get on with their life. How does it affect them.
Sorry Blazin, that wasn't directed at you or anything, was just a general rant riased by what you said.

 

[Jondot]

So, he got expelled for wearing makeup, and this guy at my school hasn't even had a caution for using tip-ex (also known as white-out, liquid paper, correction pen) as a toothbrush, and then drinking the rest! Crazy

 

[smellysocks12]

So, he got expelled for wearing makeup, and this guy at my school hasn't even had a caution for using tip-ex (also known as white-out, liquid paper, correction pen) as a toothbrush, and then drinking the rest! Crazy

The guy should be lucky that he's still breathing.

 

[Joey D]

And I'd willfully ignore you. You can keep us from exchanging rings, but you can't rob us of our dignity. Sorry you feel that way.

I don't care if you are gay, straight, or even into animals. Public displays of affection shouldn't be, I don't grope my girlfriend in public. Sure we hold hands, but I'm not all over her, thats disgusting and no one wants to see that. You are just proving to me that you are so close minded to see any other point you are like the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyways back on topic. When people dress like that, it's just a cry for attention. I bet anything he listens to the Insane Clow Posse and does a lot of drugs. Your dress reflects who you are. Me I dress pretty laid back, shirt and tie for work, blue jeans and t-shirts from were ever. But you don't really need these off the wall fashions to express yourself. Do it through something more constructive, write something, do art, whatever. Just don't be weird because you have people like me who will remember you later on in life and I'll be the one you are trying to get hired by.

 

[wee_man]

So, he got expelled for wearing makeup, and this guy at my school hasn't even had a caution for using tip-ex (also known as white-out, liquid paper, correction pen) as a toothbrush, and then drinking the rest! Crazy

Ahh well that's because your school has probably realsied that if he's stupid enough to drink the stuff, then they might as well leave him be and kill himself. Heck he's thick enough to do that he's not going ot get very far in life. It's called evolution.

 

[Ten]

I don't care if you are gay, straight, or even into animals. Public displays of affection shouldn't be, I don't grope my girlfriend in public. Sure we hold hands, but I'm not all over her, thats disgusting and no one wants to see that. You are just proving to me that you are so close minded to see any other point you are like the pot calling the kettle black.

A reaction of conditioning, I assure you. My apologies.

However...

I suppose the same should apply if my partner and I were to walk down the hallway holding hands or clinging all over one another?

I would be disgusted and tell you to get a room, I've never agreed with public displays of affection.

Sure we hold hands

Here is where I am confused. Holding hands is a public display of affection, albeit a minor one. And by "clinging all over one another" I had implied hands around waists, side-by-side, perhaps one's head on another's shoulder. Forgive me if I was a little vague in my discription, leading to a misconception. Can't hold that against you.

Yet my point remains, you can't penalize someone because you don't like something they are doing. (this a situational statement, of course) I'm not saying you should look the other way. I'm saying you should ignore it, as I'm sure he would the remarks he recieved. If it doesn't affect you in any manner that would have a huge impact on your life, then get over it. Otherwise you come off as a whiny child. (not directed at you, Blazin)

"Mommy, that man's make up scares me!"

When people dress like that, it's just a cry for attention. I bet anything he listens to the Insane Clow Posse and does a lot of drugs. Your dress reflects who you are.

Ignorant and shallow as it comes.

I wouldn't call myself "goth", (I detest classifying people by looks) but most of my wardrobe is dark colors, black, and occassionally I where spikes and chains. I don't wear make up, my hair is naturally black, and I also wear things like khakis, sandals, button-up shirts (of a floral or "hawaiian" nature) and brightly colored tee shirts. I listen to a range of different music genres, from rock to digital, to classical to country to hip hop to pop. I don't generalize. I hear something I like, I buy the cd, regardless of genre, band, or popularity. I see an article of clothing I like, I buy and wear it, regardless of what people will think, say, or do.

Some of us do it for attention. Some of us don't. A generalization is nothing but that. General.

 

[Joey D]

Here is where I am confused. Holding hands is a public display of affection, albeit a minor one. And by "clinging all over one another" I had implied hands around waists, side-by-side, perhaps one's head on another's shoulder. Forgive me if I was a little vague in my discription, leading to a misconception. Can't hold that against you.

I can tolerate that, holding hands, arm around waist, etc. isn't really a PDA if you ask me. Kissing, groping, inapporiate touching, etc. is what I don't really like to see. But simpley walking with your arm around someones waist isn't any big deal, hell my parents do it and they are much older.

Ignorant and shallow as it comes.

I wouldn't call myself "goth", (I detest classifying people by looks) but most of my wardrobe is dark colors, black, and occassionally I where spikes and chains. I don't wear make up, my hair is naturally black, and I also wear things like khakis, sandals, button-up shirts (of a floral or "hawaiian" nature) and brightly colored tee shirts. I listen to a range of different music genres, from rock to digital, to classical to country to hip hop to pop. I don't generalize. I hear something I like, I buy the cd, regardless of genre, band, or popularity. I see an article of clothing I like, I buy and wear it, regardless of what people will think, say, or do.

Some of us do it for attention. Some of us don't. A generalization is nothing but that. General.

Shallow. Maybe. Ignorant. Not at all. You have a lot growing up left to do if you think that is the way people should be. People, employers mostly, will generalize you by the way you look. You know how I got a job at General Motors? I came in to my interview with a normal haircut, wearing a nice ironed shirt with a basic tie, a nice pair of dress pants, and no jewerly expect for my Rolex. I was well spoken and had good manners.

Employers generalized, and believe me when I start hiring people I will do the same thing. It's all in presentation. I would much rather hire someone who is well dressed and lacks some of the skills, rather then someone who is dress sloppy but knows everything. Skills can be taught, appearence just comes.

But if its not for attention then why do it? If it's not to get people to look at you why do it? It can't be comfortable, choker with spikes, glued up hair, lots of makeup,etc. The human bodies naturall reaction to makeup is that it doesn't like it, your hair will start to fall out if you glue it, etc. You know what a majority of people would call comfortable? A nice sweatsuit, and sure it's not fashisonalbe but its comfortable. Lose fitting closes will always be better for you comfort level.

People do it so they get noticed. Same reason people modify there automobiles, so they get noticed. You think I would have modified my truck if it was go to be a normal car, no I did it so people take notice of it. It's all about attention.

You will learn once you travel out into the real world.

 

[PS]

...I was well spoken...

But simpley walking with your arm around someones waist isn't any big deal, hell my parents do it and they are much older.

The human bodies naturall reaction

Lose fitting closes will always be better for you comfort level.

A nice sweatsuit, and sure it's not fashisonalbe but its comfortable.

You shure are spokeded proeperly.

Shallow. Maybe. Ignorant. Not at all.

Employers generalized, and believe me when I start hiring people I will do the same thing. It's all in presentation.

I would much rather hire someone who is well dressed and lacks some of the skills, rather then someone who is dress sloppy but knows everything. Skills can be taught, appearence just comes.

Oh, real logical. Mhmm. "Let's hire the guy who can't sit still to be our surgeon, over the guy who spent 9 years in medical school with spiked hair." And a skill isn't taught or learned, it's being naturally good at something. You can, however, get better at something by doing it more often.

But if its not for attention then why do it?

We'd rather not be generalized, and like it said, it was part of his religion.

If it's not to get people to look at you why do it?

Refer to above quote.

It can't be comfortable, choker with spikes, glued up hair, lots of makeup,etc.

How would you know? They don't wear the chains and chokers with spikes inside-out, you know.

People do it so they get noticed.

I spike my hair regardless of where I'm going, and Marilyn Manson puts his makeup on every day, regardless of where he's going. Sometimes, he goes to bed with it on. It's just him, or you, or I.

Same reason people modify there automobiles, so they get noticed. You think I would have modified my truck if it was go to be a normal car, no I did it so people take notice of it. It's all about attention.

Body modifications started long ago as a way to avoid police reporting a stolen vehicle or one in persuit.

 

[Ten]

All I see in response are more objectionable opinions.

Again, I wear what I wear because I like it. My spiked collar fits well. It doesn't choke me, and the spikes don't reach anywhere on my body that would injure me. Nothing I wear is uncomfortable to have on. I like how it looks on my body and it makes me feel good about myself. Why should there be any other reason? I don't give a damn what some guy across the street thinks of me. If the induvidual in discussion did it for attention, so be it. Don't attest that his actions speak for anyone who may stand out.

An employer is a different story. Did you not see my post about having a professional and personal side to your wardrobe?

If YOU modify YOUR car for attention, then so be it. But vehicle customization is also viewed as an artform to some, and as an artist, I won't have you cheapening it by stating that it's for attention and attention alone.

<----That avatar of mine over there is for attention, in a way. The first I've done in a long while. But at the same time, it means something, as does all my art. That avatar is a statement, a message, and a form of expression all in one. My art in general is not about attention, it's therapy. I draw to let it out. I draw to feel better. I draw because I want to.

Don't tell me I have a lot of growing up to do. I am a 22 year old man who makes his own choices, learns from his mistake and dictates his own sense of self by just being alive. If your choices and way of life work for you, then all the better for you. I applaud you for a job well done. In the same sense, don't compare your maturity to mine.

 

[Joey D]

PS you have a weak arguement to bring up typos, but deal people like you piss me off. Who cares if I mistype something, trust me I don't speak like I type.

His religion? What the??? Not one of the major forms of religion that are well respected throughout the world at least. I mean if he had on a head dress of the Muslum religion and got suspened I would have a problem, or if he had a logical explination and a well thought out established religion I might find it fit. What religion is he and Goth is not a religion. Goths were people from the middle ages, such as the Vista Goths. I'm not real current on my history though.

I spike my hair regardless of where I'm going, and Marilyn Manson puts his makeup on every day, regardless of where he's going. Sometimes, he goes to bed with it on. It's just him, or you, or I.

The fact that you brough Mason into this makes me chuckle. That guy is a pervert who does thing to young girls at concerts. Not to mention his music isn't something I would let my kids listen to either. Many teenager are impressionalbe, but I think everyone knows that.

All I see in response are more objectionable opinions.

Again, I wear what I wear because I like it. My spiked collar fits well. It doesn't choke me, and the spikes don't reach anywhere on my body that would injure me. Nothing I wear is uncomfortable to have on. I like how it looks on my body and it makes me feel good about myself. Why should there be any other reason? I don't give a damn what some guy across the street thinks of me. If the induvidual in discussion did it for attention, so be it. Don't attest that his actions speak for anyone who may stand out.

Let me ask you this, do you not have friends that dress and act the same way you do? When you get something new do you not say "hey look at this" or have you ever had anyone say "wow is that new". Everyone has that at sometime. And sure you aren't trying to get the attention of everyone, it could be the people you are around everyday. That's why I dress in a shirt and tie even though I don't have to, I want my co-workers to notice that I am professional.

An employer is a different story. Did you not see my post about having a professional and personal side to your wardrobe?

I see my boss outside of work all the time, you think if I was dressed oddly he would look at me the same way? Also if you have an odd haircut, weird ring somewhere, cuts on your arms, etc. That stuff can't magicall be gone during an interview. I would never hire a man with an ear ring.

If YOU modify YOUR car for attention, then so be it. But vehicle customization is also viewed as an artform to some, and as an artist, I won't have you cheapening it by stating that it's for attention and attention alone.

I don't see it as an art form, anyone who thinks that is nuts in my opinion. The only reason people modifiy their cars...or anything is to stand out in some way and be different.

Don't tell me I have a lot of growing up to do. I am a 22 year old man who makes his own choices, learns from his mistake and dictates his own sense of self by just being alive. If your choices and way of life work for you, then all the better for you. I applaud you for a job well done. In the same sense, don't compare your maturity to mine.

Your 22 and your philosophy and maturity level is that of a high schooler. Me I'm barely out of high school and already I'm way a head of the game. Act the way you want but I promise you, you aren't getting that far in life if you do. Conforming with society is the best possible way to advanced, sure it's not the "right way" in essence but it works. Frankly I'm out for what works and how I can move up in life. Learn that and you will do well, try to rebel and you will end up flat out on your ass.

 

[Ten]

That's nice. I do what I need to accel in life and it works fine for me. Conforming with society is indeed a good way to get a leg up on life, but you can get by in life just fine with a double life, a cut-loose side outside of your professional lifestyle.

I'm sorry you feel the way you do about my lifestyle or how I dress. We're two different people, both with differing opinions. I wouldn't say I was rebeling, I'm just doing what comes naturally to me - whatever I feel like doing. This has reasonable boundaries, of course, and I don't let it cut into or damage my professional life. I do fine, despite your speculation. Not much I can do to prove otherwise, so I suppose this is where my side of the conversation ends.

P.S.: No, you're nuts. So there.

 

[Anderton Prime]

I think the key to a happy life is to mix Ten's philosophy and Blazin's philosophy in equal parts, shake well until mixed, and enjoy.

On the one hand, conformity is advantageous to those who want to advance their lives financially, get a promotion, etc.

On the other hand, being too conformist is unhealthy; if you can't express yourself freely, it will make for an unhappy life.

Too much "expression" of one's style, however, often leads to being dubbed a social outcast, as illustrated by the case that started this thread.

 

[Joey D]

I think the key to a happy life is to mix Ten's philosophy and Blazin's philosophy in equal parts, shake well until mixed, and enjoy.

On the one hand, conformity is advantageous to those who want to advance their lives financially, get a promotion, etc.

On the other hand, being too conformist is unhealthy; if you can't express yourself freely, it will make for an unhappy life.

Too much "expression" of one's style, however, often leads to being dubbed a social outcast, as illustrated by the case that started this thread.

Well after reading that I would tend to agree and for once I see your point...scary yes?

 

[Ten]

A much appreciated take, Anderton. I don't completely disagree with Blazin, I mean hell, I know what it's like being a kid fresh out of school and looking at the job market. Just as he states, I did as I needed to secure a job. Cleaned up, presented myself as the man for the job, and clinched it. My professional life is conducted as it should be, and my personal life is conducted on my terms. This may not work for everyone, but it works for me.

There are no hard feelings here, Blazin. Just a clash of differing opinions.

 

[Joey D]

There are no hard feelings here, Blazin. Just a clash of differing opinions.

It's cool. And sorry if I acted like I had it out for you, if you really enjoy dressing that way then have at it. It's the same way I feel about homosexuallity, kinda like the whatever statement. But I would never not hire someone because they are gay, thats just illegal.

 

[Ten]

Yeah, sorry for that assumption. Boy did I make an ass out of myself over that one. ^^;

But reading the article now, I don't really know where to stand on this topic. I mean, for religion or whatever reason, you shouldn't hold that against a person. But in the same light, that's just another objectionable opinion on my part. I seem full of those today. My head hurts.

Yarrgh.

 

[Silverzone]

I agree with the kid. That is his form of self expression, let him express himself. I know a few guys who wear make-up (not that heavily) but still They are expressing themselves. I have a feeling that one day they will suspend someone for wearing all black.

 

[Concept]

I think the kid is a freaking idiot. He derserves to be kicked out of school. Hell, I wish much worse against him. When you're that stupid you don't deserve anything. The kid has major problems. He'd get killed at my school.

Let him act how he wants? Freedom of expression? Bull****. There's a pretty much understood balance there and he's off the scale completely. He's nothing but a foolish idiot who deserves to be suspended until he can grow a brain and take off the makeup.

That's my opinion, deal with it. The kid is a ****ing idiot. Hope he stays suspended. I dislike kids like this with the greatest passion.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Concept, Concept, CONCEPT! Ease off the guy, he's only in Grade 9! I'm not sure how old you are, but by the tone of your post I'd assume you're around the same age. Now, I could say the same thing about you that you just said about this one "misguided" youth.

I don't think he's a moron, an idiot or a fool. He might be a little pig-headed, but I don't even know him, and NEITHER DO YOU! You can't make assumptions about a person you've only read about in the FRICKIN NEWS, for cryin' out loud!

I dislike kids like this with the greatest passion.

That's EXACTLY the kind of statement we need less of in schools. If you're not careful, you might find yourself beating people up in the streets after you've had a few just because you don't like their hair. And that, my fellow GTPer, is hatecrime.

 

[PS]

PS you have a weak arguement to bring up typos, but deal people like you piss me off.

I was calling you a hypocrite. And what are "people like [me]"? Going to insert another random stereotype?

Who cares if I mistype something, trust me I don't speak like I type.

Ok, hope not.

His religion? What the???

His religion. Wiccan.

Not one of the major forms of religion that are well respected throughout the world at least.

Each one is as hokey as the other.

I mean if he had on a head dress of the Muslum religion and got suspened I would have a problem,

Just because he/she is muslim? All other religions are void? Good job.

or if he had a logical explination and a well thought out established religion I might find it fit.

Oh, I see, his religion has to be popular. Gotcha.

What religion is he and Goth is not a religion.

I see no direct question, but I'll do my best. He is Wiccan, and not Goth is not a religion. Goth is the same as punk, sk8r, emo, nerd, gangsta etc.

Goths were people from the middle ages, such as the Vista Goths. I'm not real current on my history though.

You mean the visigoths? Don't know much about them, either.

The fact that you brough Mason into this makes me chuckle.

About what?

That guy is a pervert who does thing to young girls at concerts.

"Anyone who brings harm to a child should be punished or destroyed."
-Direct quote from Marilyn Manson's pre-2004 website.

Not to mention his music isn't something I would let my kids listen to either. Many teenager are impressionalbe, but I think everyone knows that.

If you won't let them listen to that, then surely you must not let them listen to rap.

Let me ask you this, do you not have friends that dress and act the same way you do?

Not really. Most of my friends listen to older music like Clapton, the beatles, the doors, hendrix etc. And no, none of them dress similar to me, either.

When you get something new do you not say "hey look at this" or have you ever had anyone say "wow is that new".

No, because...who tf cares?

Everyone has that at sometime.

Yes, eventually.

And sure you aren't trying to get the attention of everyone, it could be the people you are around everyday. That's why I dress in a shirt and tie even though I don't have to, I want my co-workers to notice that I am professional.

Or you'd like to think you are. Who knows, maybe you over-do it. Maybe they think you're an arrogant narrow minded ass that puts himself above others. But I don't know what they think, so who am I to judge?

I see my boss outside of work all the time, you think if I was dressed oddly he would look at me the same way? Also if you have an odd haircut, weird ring somewhere, cuts on your arms, etc. That stuff can't magicall be gone during an interview. I would never hire a man with an ear ring.

He may, if he sees you dressed professionally the next day. And if you have an odd haircut, so what? Weird ring somewhere, take it out, or if it's really weird...who's going to see it? Now cuts on your arms, that's a slightly more complicated issue. And why wouldn't you hire a man with an earring? Not manly enough for you? Think he might be gay? Hmm?

I don't see it as an art form, anyone who thinks that is nuts in my opinion. The only reason people modifiy their cars...or anything is to stand out in some way and be different.

To not having a creative bumper is standing out? I see.

Your 22 and your philosophy and maturity level is that of a high schooler.

You're noone to judge that.

Me I'm barely out of high school and already I'm way a head of the game.

What makes you say that?

Act the way you want but I promise you, you aren't getting that far in life if you do.

If he acts the way he wants, he will be happy to a degree. And if he's happy, that's really all that matters, isn't it?

Conforming with society is the best possible way to advanced, sure it's not the "right way" in essence but it works.

Unfortunately...

Frankly I'm out for what works and how I can move up in life. Learn that and you will do well, try to rebel and you will end up flat out on your ass.

Again, unfortunate, but true. Although not necessarily rebellion, so much as creativity as well. Rebellion/anarchy is just dumb unless you're trying to convey a point or gain rights or something.

 

[smellysocks12]

A pink mohawk, lipstick and overweight have nothing to do with wicca, it only shows attentionwhorism.

 

[Omnis]

that was on our local news station.

 

[PS]

A pink mohawk, lipstick and overweight have nothing to do with wicca, it only shows attentionwhorism.

And wtf do you know about wicca? If you listened to it he was wearing the same makeup as the celts who practised Wicca did.

I think the kid is a freaking idiot. He derserves to be kicked out of school. Hell, I wish much worse against him. When you're that stupid you don't deserve anything. The kid has major problems. He'd get killed at my school.

Let him act how he wants? Freedom of expression? Bull****. There's a pretty much understood balance there and he's off the scale completely. He's nothing but a foolish idiot who deserves to be suspended until he can grow a brain and take off the makeup.

That's my opinion, deal with it. The kid is a ****ing idiot. Hope he stays suspended. I dislike kids like this with the greatest passion.

I'm at a loss for words here, kids. I honestly don't even know where to start. I'm baffled. Literally choking on your ignorance.

 

[Joey D]

After seaching many wicca sites, I not only found that their "religion" is totally off the wall but they are pretty much normal people on the out side. They go about looking like everyone else and try not to disrupt things. They also prefer the color black, often wear robes and other grabe from long ago. Never once did I read pink hair and make up were part of there "religion". Now I can see if the kid had black hair and a robe, with that star pennet thing and got suspened there might be a problem.

 

[Concept]

Concept, Concept, CONCEPT! Ease off the guy, he's only in Grade 9! I'm not sure how old you are, but by the tone of your post I'd assume you're around the same age. Now, I could say the same thing about you that you just said about this one "misguided" youth.

I don't think he's a moron, an idiot or a fool. He might be a little pig-headed, but I don't even know him, and NEITHER DO YOU! You can't make assumptions about a person you've only read about in the FRICKIN NEWS, for cryin' out loud!



That's EXACTLY the kind of statement we need less of in schools. If you're not careful, you might find yourself beating people up in the streets after you've had a few just because you don't like their hair. And that, my fellow GTPer, is hatecrime.

I'm 18 and a senior at my high school.

How can you not think a kid this kid is a moron, an idiot or a fool? He looks foolish. You can make a somewhat educated assumption about this kid just by looking at him. Can you not? He looks like a fool.

You're right, we don't need that kind of stuff said in school. We also don't need such an idiot in school either. Sometimes, a kid needs to be hassled for being an idiot. This guy is a grade A example!

I won't beat one of these morons up on the street. I'll hate them to myself and maybe will even express it in words. I won't lash out against any of the freaks like him physically.

 

[Cosmic]

He looks like an idiot but why does the school care so much about ones appearence.

 

[zoxxy]

He should have kancho attacked the principle and see how long he gets suspendend lol.

My thought exactly . Mega transvestite kancho of hell!

 

[PS]

I'm 18 and a senior at my high school.

How can you not think a kid this kid is a moron, an idiot or a fool? He looks foolish. You can make a somewhat educated assumption about this kid just by looking at him. Can you not? He looks like a fool.

You're right, we don't need that kind of stuff said in school. We also don't need such an idiot in school either. Sometimes, a kid needs to be hassled for being an idiot. This guy is a grade A example!

I won't beat one of these morons up on the street. I'll hate them to myself and maybe will even express it in words. I won't lash out against any of the freaks like him physically.

And what if he was the next Steven HAwking or Eintstein? Have you ever listened to Marilyn Manson speak? Or Jean Simmons? They're both very intelligent people, both of whom must obviously be idiots or morons just because you say so.