What are you not getting?!
I'm not getting why you think corporate lobbying is a more moral alternative to fudging test numbers when part of your tirade is how corporations are held to a different ethical standard than individual people.
What I actually said was they should have lobbied for a more achievable low-emissions limit, which they did anyway.
That's nice. What
I said was that any lobbying Volkswagen would have done would have been to get the engines to the same level they are now; because it stands to reason (albeit possibly not true) that what they are now
is the best they can do based on the circumstances established in advance and the subterfuge was simply to hide that.
Do you think Volkswagen would lobby the US government to have emissions targets that are not as strict as are in place, but still more strict than VW can meet? Do you think Volkswagen is capable of better but simply didn't bother because they figured faking it was easier or whatever? The latter is certainly possible. Because otherwise your clarification is meaningless.
Not at all because you have been widely misrepresenting what I was actually saying; possibly deliberately, to try and strengthen your argument. Because I made it very clear what my point on the lobbying was. How you could have misunderstood is beyond me...
I didn't misunderstand or misrepresent anything. You still don't grasp that corporate lobbying isn't the inherently virtuous practice you're presenting it as; and it will continue to make your arguments about morality look ridiculous every time you preach it. It is no more "moral" for Volkswagen to use their corporate clout to have emissions targets softened to something they can reach than it is to fake test results to reach them but actually have their engines produce the best they can accomplish instead; because the end result is still pretty likely that Volkswagen engines are producing the amount of emissions that they are now.
Again with the 'money' argument?
You're not very good at this. You were the one who raised the topic. Suffice to say, when
you say something like "it wouldn't have cost much money for them", the obvious response is going to try to refute that.
What is the "money" argument, by the way? I'd like to know what you're pretending bringing up the financial stakes involved, because it would make this easier when you continue to try and browbeat people with it.
As I said before corporations should have moral responsibility.
Unless they are doing things like corporate lobbying against the interests of public health, of course.
Yes they would have lost out on some profit, but Volkswagen were large and rich enough that it wouldn't have caused any business problems. Money is no excuse. They just chose to ignore environmental issues out of greed.
Again, who is "they"? And why is ignoring environmental issues alright if they get the government to back off those same environmental issues?
So you're suggesting it's possible only one engineer could have known about this 'Defeat_Device' software, before the engine was produced? Seeing as a prototype engine is tested thoroughly before being produced in volume for the mass market, there's no way that could have slipped through the net without others noticing.
Nope. I'm suggesting that 5 days into the scandal there's no basis to claim the corporate wide conspiracy to dodge emissions laws; which is kind of a necessary thing when that's what you basing your arguments on.
I'm taking it you've never actually seen a diesel and petrol engine side-by-side?
lol hypocrisy.
Their designs are different and they have different components, yes. But in the end all of those components are held together by nuts and bolts. All of those components can be handled by an assembly robot. All of those components can be sent down a conveyor belt. All of those components can be handled by a mechanic with a spanner and a screwdriver. They're different, but they're not chalk and cheese different.
They're different enough that it's ridiculous to assume that access capacity would be made up with petrol engines.
Maybe it's different if you live in Cali'.
