Enormous turbo lag/ really high boost threshold

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I probably sound like an absolute imbecile when I ask for this, but I want to know which cars in the game have the most turbo lag right out of the box. Something in the left side of my brain just wants that feeling of unresponsiveness. I don't want people saying "oh the ???? with high range turbo" because obviously the biggest turbo would create at least a little bit of lag. So far in the game, stock turbo lag is just not there so I just want some help finding these cars. Thanks :D
 
I've not noticed any real lag in any car.

The F40 and escudo have a high boost threshold. That is what you experience at low revs. Not turbo lag.

I'll have a play and see if I can find anything with actual lag.
 
I remember in GT2, Nismo 400R with a Stage3 turbo had quite noticable power jump reaching certain rpms... quite opposite compared to Stage1 turbo for the same car
 
TexasTyme214
No. Lag is the time it takes for the turbo to reach full boost once you're in the threshold. Boost seems to hit you instantly in GT in every car.
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Yes, lag has never been found in GT1-5 or anything in between. Can't speak for 6, but historically it's no surprise to see it's still missing. I'd be wary of claims saying it exists, since they've been made forever and have always been wrong due to the misunderstanding outlined above.
 
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TexasTyme214
No. Lag is the time it takes for the turbo to reach full boost once you're in the threshold. Boost seems to hit you instantly in GT in every car.
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I know what boost is.
He said he doesn't want people telling him to just put the biggest turbo on everything. Manipulating the trans to reduce response is along the lines of telling him to slap on a big snail.
 
eSZee
I know what boost is.
He said he doesn't want people telling him to just put the biggest turbo on everything. Manipulating the trans to reduce response is along the lines of telling him to slap on a big snail.
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I never said anything about which stage turbo or the transmission.
 
Yeah, as others have said, there's no lag implemented in GT6. I took the Ruf CTR out on SSRX just to double check and in 5th gear at 80 mph opening the throttle gives instant boost in proportion to the throttle opening. In the real car there should be a second or two where the throttle is open but there's no boost yet.

GT6 does implement boost thresholds, and boost fall-off at high RPM (depending on the turbo setup), but the latter aren't really felt too much from the car because the fall-off is gradual and usually not massive and the former isn't something you typically run into on a track if you've got your gear ratios set properly; unless there's a very low-speed 1st-gear corner you're usually not below boost threshold when on a track.
 
Not_A_Guest
whoa guys this is getting OT
Also, I drove the F40, and found nothing wrong with it. What are you guys going on about?
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I haven't driven it in gt6, but in 5, it drove like real life (threshold wise).

Drive along like you would normally. (manual) Changing up at 3-4k, part throttle, real world town driving. Then in 3rd, at 30-40mph (about 3k) floor it keeping it in 3rd, you will have naff all power until the boost threshold, then it will take off when it reaches the boost threshold and creates boost. The F40 in real life was renound for this, and I found gt5 gave a good representation of it. For comparison take a stock r35 gtr and try the same. You should notice that it pulls better off boost than the f40, and that the turbo coming in had less effect. It still drastically increases acceleration when it comes in boost, just not quite as savagely as the f40.

What gave the F40 this character was a combination of a massive turbo and the long gearing. If you shift up too early, it causes the revs to drop below the boost threshold, causing the car to drop out of its 'powerband'.

The F40 had long gearing because it only has 5gears as standard, and a massive top speed. Modern turbo supercars would suffer the same issue if it wasn't for 6 and 7 speed transmissions. (there are also lots of other variables in off boost driveability, and the ability to safely take high boost levels (compression ratios and fueling, due to the F40 running manual fuel injection and presumably a low compression ratio to take the boost, this could be a contributing factor in its character)
 
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Exorcet
Yes, lag has never been found in GT1-5 or anything in between. Can't speak for 6, but historically it's no surprise to see it's still missing. I'd be wary of claims saying it exists, since they've been made forever and have always been wrong due to the misunderstanding outlined above.
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What kind of 'lag' do you expect? You do know that 'lag' disappears above ~1500-2000rpm (in real life) don't you?

Try driving 60kph in fourth or fifth gear (as in real life) and then test the lag.
 
FussyFez
The F40 had long gearing because it only has 5gears as standard, and a massive top speed. Modern turbo supercars would suffer the same issue if it wasn't for 6 and 7 speed transmissions. (there are also lots of other variables in off boost driveability, and the ability to safely take high boost levels (compression ratios and fueling, due to the F40 running manual fuel injection and presumably a low compression ratio to take the boost, this could be a contributing factor in its character)
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The F40 has long gearing (and issues with power delivery as a result) because the car in the game is not modeled correctly. It should be pulling its 200MPH top speed around the upper limits of 5th gear. Not 4th as in the game, with 5th acting practically as an overdrive.

YZF
What kind of 'lag' do you expect?
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The hesitation in throttle response that occurs with turbocharged cars as the turbo spools up upon throttle application when the engine is already in the part of the powerband that the turbo would take effect under.

YZF
You do know that 'lag' disappears above ~1500-2000rpm (in real life) don't you?
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It most certainly does not, nor does such a blanket statement apply to any number of turbocharged cars made before computerized engine controls (ie. ones from the 1980s).

YZF
Try driving 60kph in fourth or fifth gear (as in real life) and then test the lag.
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What would a test for boost threshold show anyone?
 
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If you race the F40 on Assetto Corsa, it had very noticeable lag, GT6 doesnt appear to have any "code/simulation" for turbo lag.
 
Not completely sure but I believe that the Amuse Carbon R has some turbo lag, I don't have it yet in GT6 but if someone could try a stock to see that would be helpfull to this thread.
 
Tornado
The F40 has long gearing (and issues with power delivery as a result) because the car in the game is not modeled correctly. It should be pulling its 200MPH top speed around the upper limits of 5th gear. Not 4th as in the game, with 5th acting practically as an overdrive.
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Whilst what you say is correct, in my opinion, anything geared to hit 200mph with 5 gears, has long gearing.
 
for all the people saying the "gt6 doesn't simulate turbo lag" or that its not coded or whatever. Go take the stock 288 GTO for a spin. Its got serious turbo lag. Much like the the F40 in the game. I've been for a ride in the real F40. The car goes just like in the game. The car goes like a old truck at first, then a when the turbos kick in its feel like you have been rear ended.
 
Looks like one of you needs to edit wikipedia.

"
Turbo lag
Turbo lag is the time required to change power output in response to a throttle change, noticed as a hesitation or slowed throttle response when accelerating from idle as compared to a naturally aspirated engine."
 
robbyf
for all the people saying the "gt6 doesn't simulate turbo lag" or that its not coded or whatever. Go take the stock 288 GTO for a spin. Its got serious turbo lag. Much like the the F40 in the game. I've been for a ride in the real F40. The car goes just like in the game. The car goes like a old truck at first, then a when the turbos kick in its feel like you have been rear ended.
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Nice of you to read the thread at least partially, I guess.
 
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The Stream Z was virtually useless at low RPMs in GT4, even in first gear (or maybe I just tuned it poorly and have no recollection of doing so). It is possible that turbo lag exists in game. Launching at different RPMs from a stop can give different acceleration results, so I would assume that the powerbands of cars are a factor in their performance, with larger turbos making larger power bumps higher on the rev range. It could be there, but just not enough to be noticeable. If this is true, then I doubt any stock cars would have lag, given their lack of turbos the size of a small planet.
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