Enthusia

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SaintKamus
it won't have as much tuning options...

That would be a big disappointment. One of the joys of Gran Turismo has always been spending hours to tweak the suspension and then nailing a setup. This is one thing I feel that I can say the GT series has done better than any other racing game (although I haven't played RBR).

On the other hand, some people just like to get in and drive. In the end, I think it will come down to a matter of personal preference, with neither game being unquestionably superior to the other.
 
GPL is a better racing game that GT4 but it's not as good a driving game : ). I'm looking forward to Enthusia, to me it looks like it will be better than Forza, I only wonder.. will be better than GT4??
 
More than likely, I'll own GT4, Enthusia and Forza, but GT4 is still at the top of my list because of the selection of cars and the ability to tune your car. Enthusia won't have any modifications at all, though I think you will be able to adjust settings on the race cars, but that's about it.
 
Enthusia's focus is realism. They want you to feel like you won a race because of your driving skills, and not because of your tuning skills. :) This is the main selling pt of enthusia when compared to Forza and gt4. THey have it all over their damn site. so.. why did i just type it as if you all didnt read it :dunce:
 
Like some here, I have played GT ever since it came out. :) I have seen some improvement and I love the physics in GT4. 👍

However, I too yearn for more realism in my "sim". The funny thing is that once you have actually raced a car on track and you understand what the car tells you, you get addicted to that. When playing video games, you realise that it is indeed just a game.

I think I see where Enthusia is going with this with the g-meters but I just don't know how one can trail-brake without feeling the brakes and tyres? :confused: Will the new wheel have feedback on the brake pedal? If so, I am sold! :dopey:

Bring on more competition! Competition improved the breed!

:cheers:
 
GT4 makes a good balance of it all, which I apperciate. That is, however, a copout by the GT producer. Never, ever introduce doubt to your product that touts itself as the "real driving simulation"

For pure realism, GPL is awesome. What other sims out there are like GPL? Hell, just completing a fast lap in that game brought tears to my eyes...haha.
 
Hiya! :D :O :lol: Meow! (='.'=)

Hmmm very impressive shots! :O Especially the Corvette...:drool: I am starting to like Enthusia just from looking at those pictures, but I will be very cautious about it. I will wait and see how it will sell and unfold in the world when it gets released.
 
i'm looking forward to it

but i'll probably download it first to try out then buy if its good. if it turns out to be something like R: Racing then forget it... but i think this game should be good

too realistic would cause causal gamer or people that dont drive very well to be very frustrated in the game. GT is more of a game that regular people and professional drivers could enjoy.
 
I must admit I've not seen or heard anything on this game until those pics were posted, but every game has the ability to be better than another, but the test is can the game match the hype? will Forza or Enthusia just be average games that are over hyped? only time will tell but if it's good and the reviews or people's thoughts on here indicate that I'll but it.

GT4 is a gimmie, people will still buy it even if it's crap (obviously it's not) and from what I can gather from the info on this forum alot of the genuine GT fans and I'm not talking about the fans who drink coffee and tea from GT mugs and have GT fluffy dice in their cars or GT bed sheets :lol: have had their expectations met and surpassed. Yes we have heard the game isn't perfect but no game ever is but to pull it off for a fourth time and improve the recipe further still with all the content in the game I think PD have done all they can do with the time and the hardware.

I think makers of future racing games should just focus on doing their own thing instead of trying to replicate numerous parts of other games and then see how they stack up to the competition, if they offer something new and unique then great but a mish mash of modes or poor game structure through trying to be a jack of all trades isn't going to cut it.

PGR2 was pretty good but the lack of customisation killed it for a GT fan like me, the same way the comic look and tuning of the NFSU series put me off that game, but Burnout 3 on XBOX I love because it's a fun game nuff said and it's different.

Competition is great and the fact other developers are stepping upto the plate is good for us as it forces others to go all out to win our custom so at the end of the day as long as the game meets our own expectations then they will get my cash for sure.
 
Firstly I'd like to say that I've not been into the GT series all that long. I only got GT3 and GTC last year, and I'm still battling through GTP and very much looking forward to GT4. So I'm not as "wrapped up" in the GT series as others might be who post on here.

This game does look very impressive, and with claims that it has the most realistic physic in any game is somewhat of a boast. I don't know a great deal about this games development, as I have been too engrossed with details about GT4. So excuse me asking some silly questions.

Do we know how many cars are going to make the final game?
Will there be car /track damage?
What type of racing will there be? eg rally, endro, street etc

That real life comparison video does look impressive, but I've never seen PD do any kind of comparison, so I don't know how GT4's physics would compare.

Yes the cars do look really nice, and dynamic lighting would be great in GT4, however it's very easy for a developer to look at the benchmark game, and try to better it. Where as PD are "king of the hill" and are leading the way, so they have to think of the new ideas before anyone else does. Take B Spec and photo mode as great examples of this forward thinking.

If the physics don't make the game too hard to play, then I think Enthusia will do very well. I see this as only being a good thing, as it will push PD to make GT5 even better.

Cheers, Jamie
 
This game looks cool. It's not on my definite buy list like a certain Polyphony Digital product soon to be released but it looks very promising. I am really looking forward to the touge tracks, I got addicted to them in Kaido Battle 2 and I'm also wondering how Konami will do the Dakar sand dunes tracks.
Eagerly awaiting it.
 
Enthusia looks promising - and from I've heard has some interesting features.

Whereas games like Enthusia, Forza, Project Gotham Racing, etc all claim to be a GT beater - they're all still compared to it, not the other way around - Gran Turismo is still the benchmark racing game on any platform BUT GT can still learn from it's competition as they all try to add features to set it apart and then say "look what you can do in out game that you can't in GT" some ideas are good (headlamps in PGR2) and some are crap (stickers for your garage in Auto Modellista).

Hopefully all the good ideas will make their way into future versions of GT, but that's not to say that Polyphony can just sit back and not come up with good idea's of their own - The photo mode looks good, I originallt thought it was a bit of a naff idea, but it looks like a lot of time and effort has gone into making it, and giving it "realistic" camera features shows that if a feature is going to be added, it's worth doing it right.
 
Enthusia looks pretty good. I'm very interested in it now. Anyone know how they're going to be doing the clutch? As in actual clutch w/ varying degrees of slip or just an on and off deal? Hope I don't have to buy an another wheel...
 
The game (first time I ever heard of it) looks promising, but the only way to know if it really works is trying it. I still remember when I bought TOCA and after a few laps thinking that I had just wasted my money.

That's the advantage of the GT series. You already know GT4 is good even before you buy (or just try) it.

Concerning this "Enthusia" game, I just hope it will be good. KY/PD need serious competition, something they really didn't have so far. I still rate the "old" GT3 as my best driving game.

My biggest hope is that this new game is what (from what I read here) I think is missing in GT4: better AI, more AI cars in each race, and endurance races with random weather and day-to night-to-day effects.

PS - I agree with what was said about GPL. Greatest AI of all time, very difficult to master its driving, but I still remember the joy I got from my first victory (Monza, with a Ferrari).
 
Jedi2016
So how many of those cars are not in GT4?

There are some nice cars in Enthusia, that I would have liked to see in GT4 :

Aston Martin DB5 : http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/enthusiaproracing/screens.html?page=8

BMW 3.5 CSL Batmobile race car : http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/enthusiaproracing/screens.html?page=148

Ford Focus Rally car (latest version) : http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/enthusiaproracing/screens.html?page=141

Mercedes G Wagen : http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/driving/enthusiaproracing/screens.html?page=18

And also the Mitsubishi Pajero (the normal steet SUV) and VW Tuareg, seen in some of the available Enthusia videos.
 
jrudd
I'm going to have to agree with this. Too often, game designers become obsessed with having more features than the next guy, whether or not they actually make the game more fun. This doesn't preclude the possibility of Enthusia being a great game, but its greatness won't come from some stupid bobbing camera or hyper-realistic tire squeals. That said, I'll be damn impressed if someone can make a game that is more fun Gran Turismo.


So what you're saying is that Gran Turismo should be stripped of its title "The Real Driving Simulator" since its not that realistic. And realistic driving games should be more deserving of that title.

Forza is FAR more realistic than Gran Turismo, but for some people that won't be as fun.


Ok, I agree.
 
Blkout
So what you're saying is that Gran Turismo should be stripped of its title "The Real Driving Simulator" since its not that realistic. And realistic driving games should be more deserving of that title.

Forza is FAR more realistic than Gran Turismo, but for some people that won't be as fun.


Ok, I agree.

Forza is far more realistic... because? you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, i suggest you get some facts to back up your words before you post.

only thing forza does better from what i've seen in the demo is damage... and far from realistic. the handling is ok, but far from being better than GT4, i'd say it's actually lacking a bit in comparasion, but untill forza has a wheel for it, i'll reserve my final judgement.
 
SaintKamus
Forza is far more realistic... because? you obviously have no clue what you're talking about, i suggest you get some facts to back up your words before you post.

only thing forza does better from what i've seen in the demo is damage... and far from realistic. the handling is ok, but far from being better than GT4, i'd say it's actually lacking a bit in comparasion, but untill forza has a wheel for it, i'll reserve my final judgement.


Should have expected this attitude on a GT forum, can't really see how you could call GT's handling realistic. Fun game for sure, but not realstic.
 
Currently I'm looking forward more to Enthusia than I am Forza. Even before the Forza demo I played (which I wasn't very impressed with). I've seen plenty of Enthusia screenshots that I think look better than GT4, but its hard to compare when they might be touched up themselves & compared with GT4s photomode pics :sick:
 
Blkout
So what you're saying is that Gran Turismo should be stripped of its title "The Real Driving Simulator" since its not that realistic. And realistic driving games should be more deserving of that title.

Forza is FAR more realistic than Gran Turismo, but for some people that won't be as fun.


Ok, I agree.


Gran Turismo is still pretty realistic, but not to the level of, say, a flight sim. Other games seem to headed in that direction. While I hate arcade style racers, I think the only value of realism is to make the game more fun.

As someone who has driven competitively, I feel like I can say that GT3 had very good dynamics. Of course it wasn't as challenging as driving a real car, but there are few people on this earth with the skills and reflexes necessary to lap Monaco in a Mazda 787B at full speed without killing themselves and the car. For the rest of us, we play video games because we aren't in the top .0001% of all drivers in the world. We need a little help.

At any rate, I'm looking forward to playing all of these games.
 
Hyde
but i'll probably download it first to try out then buy if its good. GT is more of a game that regular people and professional drivers could enjoy.

First of all that is piracy and you are a good for nothing pirate if you do download it. 👎


Gilly
PGR2 was pretty good but the lack of customisation killed it for a GT fan like me, the same way the comic look and tuning of the NFSU series put me off that game, but Burnout 3 on XBOX I love because it's a fun game nuff said and it's different.

PGR2 and NSFU games are in no way trying to be GT clones. Both are clearly designed to be over the top FUN-to-drive games though not AS over the top as say Burnout. The tuning in NFSU2 is actually fairly intuitive if you give it half a chance.

j8mie
Do we know how many cars are going to make the final game?
Will there be car /track damage?
What type of racing will there be? eg rally, endro, street etc

That real life comparison video does look impressive, but I've never seen PD do any kind of comparison, so I don't know how GT4's physics would compare.

100+ cars so says Konami, no official list yet as far as I know
There is Rally, Touge Mountain track (point A to B) racing, Street, Dune racing, Ice Racing.

Yeah I would like to see both PD and Forza step up to the plate and do their own convicing comparison video.


jrudd
Of course it wasn't as challenging as driving a real car, but there are few people on this earth with the skills and reflexes necessary to lap Monaco in a Mazda 787B at full speed without killing themselves and the car. For the rest of us, we play video games because we aren't in the top .0001% of all drivers in the world. We need a little help.

For those of us who dont need 'help', we are craving a more realistic sim. :sly:
 
Well the cars looks better than in forza, but it has not a chance to beat GT4, but its pretty intresting.
 
Blkout
Should have expected this attitude on a GT forum, can't really see how you could call GT's handling realistic. Fun game for sure, but not realstic.

You could say the same about Forza. I wonder why you think GT4 is less realistic than Forza.
 
if enthusia is going to be the uber sim they say it will be, i am deffinatly buying it. I cant wait to attack those touqes :) the Motions of the cars looks very realistic, better than what i've seen in gt4 sofar.
 
I'll reserve judgement on Forza & Enthusia until I've had the chance to play them, although graphically both look pretty good, but I would say that Enthusia's game screen looks clumsy and a bit basic - from what I've seen of GT4 so far, it looks the best presented game I've ever seen.

Been playing PGR2 for the last few weeks, and though it's quite enjoyable and a challenge to get Platinum on all races, it's lacking that certain X factor that GT has. I'll probably buy a PGR3, but I won't look forward to it as much as I am to GT4.
 
Gek54
For those of us who dont need 'help', we are craving a more realistic sim. :sly:

If you don't need help, why are you wasting time with a video game? If you're that good of a driver, why don't you have a ride with Prodrive or Joest or some factory team? Unless you have real racing experience, you probably couldn't drive your grandma's Camry at the limit.

Pretty much everyone thinks they are an above-average driver. Very few people are.
 
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