Enzo, 430 Scuderia or 458?

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I bought the SP1 yesterday, did not do much testing, just a short drive but it felt very responsive and had great speed and acceleration:tup::)
 
dark_ruffo
Which one you feel is faster, has overall better handling, better braking, better balance, etc.

I'll be buying the three of them soon to do some tests round the Nurburgring, and just wanted to know what to expect from those cars.

Every car with stock settings and sport hard tyres.

Which one would you pick if you were to do a Stock Ferrari race with those 3 cars to choose from?
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hossdeluxe
i can see that ya. but if i can make my car go faster im all ears.
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hossdeluxe
its the same amount of grip on the tires that ferrari put on the enzo thats all. does it madder anyway? racing softs are the way to go...
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The OP clearly said sports hard tyres.

The amount of grip racing tyres give are substantially greater than road or sports tyres, so you saying that hard racing tyres gives the same amount of grip as standard tyres Ferrari use on road cars is not correct. Road or sports tyres have tread patterns whereas racing tyres have none, the more rubber in contact with the road the more grip you have. This is why a few years back F1 introduced grooved slicks - to try and slow the cars down because the grooved tyres had less grip.

There are different ways to make a car go faster, when you are driving a very powerful car on stock (or sports hard) tyres, driving sklill and technique, equiptment, knowledge of the track and understanding of the car's natural attributes and tendancies are important factors in determining a lap time, especially around Nurburgring.

Anyone can modify a car, throw on a set of racing tyres then claim a fast lap time compared to a stock version of the same car.

Whether you like racing or not has nothing to do with the tyres you are using, quite often when I race my friends online we use sports tyres, the racing is clean, competitive and usually very enjoyable.

Racing soft tyres are not the 'way to go', these give a huge amount of grip and can reduce most stock road cars to just being giant go karts. The skill involved with driving a road car on racing soft tyres fast, especially stock road cars, is minimal. The amount of grip racing soft tyres give dramatically changes the natural characteristics that often gives a car a sense of identity in the first place.

If you're going to throw racing soft tyres on everything then there might aswell just be a handful of cars in the game, but there isn't, there's over 1000 cars, and finding out what alot of these cars are like, individually, is something alot of people get alot of satisfaction and enjoyment out of doing.
 
So, could the OP's question be rephrased as "which unmodified Ferrari: Enzo, 458 or Scuderia, would be fastest doing the Nurburgring on comfort softs or sports softs?" But, I suppose that's for the purposes of a personal time trial, not an off or online race --where all the competition is theoretically using equal or lesser equipment.
 
hossdeluxe
its the same amount of grip on the tires that ferrari put on the enzo thats all. does it madder anyway? racing softs are the way to go...
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nope impossible, no race tyre in the game compares to a real tyre, tooooooooo much grip.
 
Enzo is the most powerful, 430 Scuderia is the best around the track and the 458 looks the best. Basically the 458.
 
Considering how down on power it is to the Enzo and up on creature comforts it is to the Scuderia, the 458 is amazing. When Ferrari do the stripped out version and eventually the F70 they are going to be awesome cars.

I saw a 458 and Enzo parked side by side at last years Trax event and the 458 left the Enzo looking dated and old.
 
458, its a glorious car to drive once finely tuned. ive found the enzo to be a bit more of a pain.
 
I know that OP is comparing stock vehicles but since people are talking about tuning now, if you buy a 458 and put every upgrade on it, you're not even close to the price of an Enzo. Seems like a no brainer.

Caveat: I have not driven an Enzo or a Scuderia.
 
That's for sure. A 458 would give you the best bang for buck.

But the Enzo has that special aura, plus the interior is more enjoyable to watch if you are like me who like driving in the cockpit view.

If you have the credits, get both, or the three, or the whole Ferrari dealer 💡
 
BrettTheThreat
The 458 was my go-to car until I hotted up my Gallardo, I still love that 458 for the ungodly wail that thing produces screaming to redline. Its aural sex. (Can I say that on GTP?)
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good one, now say ear...oh never mind!:) I do agree about those cars though, check the Scuderia with racing exhausts, unreal!
 
hossdeluxe
Yes, but stock in the enzo is racing:hard tires.
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No, the stock tires for the Enzo is Sport Hard. It's the tires that come with the car (in GT5). In real life, it's basically the same tires on the 458 and the 430 Scuderia- the Pirelli PZero Corsa. In GT5, most sport tires whether it's the Michelin Pilot Sport or the Potenza RE070, the two tires often fitted on most supercars, are Sport Hard (S1).

Street legal cars which the Enzo happens to be are not allowed to have slick or race tires. For example the Zonda R comes with PZero Slick (a race compound) in real life but the car has never been a road certifiable car.

With my G25, I can sense both the similarities between these three Ferraris and the small differences the exist. I find when you use Comfort Hard (N3), you can truly feel how each car behaves and the characteristics of each of the car become more prominent . The Enzo obviously has the most power and the lightest so right off the line it's the fastest. Therefore, it's also the hardest to handle coming out of a turn. The 430 Scuderia seems to understeer the most (although less so with Sport Hard). The 458 Italia seems to combine the best performance of both the Scuderia and the Enzo. On the Nurburgring GP track, the Enzo is about half a second faster than the 458. The Scuderia another quarter of a second behind the 458. Of the three, the 458 seems the most drivable, the liveliest and the most interesting. Personally, I'd go for the 430 Scuderia. It may be the slowest but in my book it feels the most balance.
 
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That's what I think too, but hey, If he is so confident about Enzo's grooved tyres gripping as much as a slick tyre, just let him be.
 
I prefer the Enzo to all of them. I left mine stock and its amazing. I did the grand valley 300km endurance with it and it was amazing to drive from beginning to end.
 
458 by far the best, so easy to drive it was my first major buy and really liked it, wasn't any reason to purchase anything untill the extreme races (and obviously the races with restrictions)
 
Finished my one lap only test.

SP1. Mild ride, the easieast to tame of them all, maybe the best handling, suffers from the same lack of power as the 430 Scuderia when compared to the Enzo and Italia. Maybe has the best braking balance and suspension settings of the 4 cars put to test, maybe is a bit too bland, but suits best to this bumpy track, contrary to the stiff settings Enzo provides. Maybe is the slowest, since I had so much trouble handling the Scuderia.

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Well my problem with the 458 is it is overrated. In my book, a car with all that fancy technology shouldn't understeer like it does. The 430 suffers much less from that understeer, and glides around corners much better. Even if it might be the slowest, it is the best car by far.
 
One run of three laps around Suzuka, a tricky track that rewards balance and cornering ability. Same rules as before.

458. Weak performance around the low speed hairpin, lots of understeer, Weak performance around the high speed 130, with tricky weight shifting in the final chicane, great break balance on degner, everywhere else it was a good performer, round spoon and round the S.

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SP1. Great all arounder, not much to say about this, good in mid, low and high speed corners, Its bulkyness made it understeer a bit too much in the uphill corner after the S.

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Scuderia. Outstanding ride. I could really squeeze the car in every corner, the more I asked for, the more it gave me, unlike the Nurb test it makes up the power diference with much better corner ability, good weight shifting, no real problems.

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Enzo. Quite dissapointing. Its fun to ride, it gives you work to do, but its cornering ability is really poor, braking power is very low and subpar to what this massive engine power requires, 130r performance is around 10-15 kmh slower than the Scuderia. Fun, tricky ride, needs serious braking and suspension tweaking.

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The noise of the Enzo is unbelievable and is really quick (obviously) and I love the 458 because of how well it handles and how it looks. The 430 I like less than the others but it's still awesome.
 
They are Ferraris after all, engine noise is not something to argue against.

Getting in the Enzo. Let's see how it performs. I Expect a 2:14~2:15
 
For me personnally, the 430 scuderia feels stiffer than the others, maybe this is why it performed better on a smooth (ish) track like Suzuka, but didn't do so well at the 'Ring, which is more bumpy??

I really like the scuderia, and the SP1. After seeing the reviews of the 458 in real life, I kind of expected a little bit more, something really really special, whereas, when I drove it as standard on GT5 it felt really good, but not something 'out of this world'.

The Enzo was diffferent, I thought it'd be a bit of a nightmare, but was pleasantly surpised.

Maybe there isn't a 'best' Ferrari, more like one for each occasion, it's just about knowing which one to pick for what occasion, maybe??
 
Highlandor
For me personnally, the 430 scuderia feels stiffer than the others, maybe this is why it performed better on a smooth (ish) track like Suzuka, but didn't do so well at the 'Ring, which is more bumpy??

I really like the scuderia, and the SP1. After seeing the reviews of the 458 in real life, I kind of expected a little bit more, something really really special, whereas, when I drove it as standard on GT5 it felt really good, but not something 'out of this world'.

The Enzo was diffferent, I thought it'd be a bit of a nightmare, but was pleasantly surpised.

Maybe there isn't a 'best' Ferrari, more like one for each occasion, it's just about knowing which one to pick for what occasion, maybe??
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The Scuderia seems to be the better performer for constant laptimes, one could push and push without worrying too much about the grip falling apart, it dives in well deep into the corners.

Definately the tyres are holding on the beast an Enzo can be, with higher quality or directly racing tyres, the Enzo could become unmatchable by his yourger brothers.
 

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