Enzo, 430 Scuderia or 458?

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The OP clearly said sports hard tyres.

The amount of grip racing tyres give are substantially greater than road or sports tyres, so you saying that hard racing tyres gives the same amount of grip as standard tyres Ferrari use on road cars is not correct. Road or sports tyres have tread patterns whereas racing tyres have none, the more rubber in contact with the road the more grip you have. This is why a few years back F1 introduced grooved slicks - to try and slow the cars down because the grooved tyres had less grip.

There are different ways to make a car go faster, when you are driving a very powerful car on stock (or sports hard) tyres, driving sklill and technique, equiptment, knowledge of the track and understanding of the car's natural attributes and tendancies are important factors in determining a lap time, especially around Nurburgring.

Anyone can modify a car, throw on a set of racing tyres then claim a fast lap time compared to a stock version of the same car.

Whether you like racing or not has nothing to do with the tyres you are using, quite often when I race my friends online we use sports tyres, the racing is clean, competitive and usually very enjoyable.

Racing soft tyres are not the 'way to go', these give a huge amount of grip and can reduce most stock road cars to just being giant go karts. The skill involved with driving a road car on racing soft tyres fast, especially stock road cars, is minimal. The amount of grip racing soft tyres give dramatically changes the natural characteristics that often gives a car a sense of identity in the first place.

If you're going to throw racing soft tyres on everything then there might aswell just be a handful of cars in the game, but there isn't, there's over 1000 cars, and finding out what alot of these cars are like, individually, is something alot of people get alot of satisfaction and enjoyment out of doing.

:tup:Couldn't have said it better! I don't get why people fully mod every single car they get, and then throw on the "slicks". The car loses all it's identity, and all off a sudden, GT5 isn't very realistic anymore.
 
:tup:Couldn't have said it better! I don't get why people fully mod every single car they get, and then throw on the "slicks". The car loses all it's identity, and all off a sudden, GT5 isn't very realistic anymore.

Well, I think because some people have the modder bug. Just like they would do to their real car if they had the money, they wish to work out the GT5 counter-part to see what is possible to acheive.

I can understand the point about a cars personality or identity, but, generally that is more a result of a set of compromises than anything else, and those particular compromises might not suit you. Perhaps you want a race car, or a more all 'round GT car, or maybe just more power, maybe you're into drag racing or maybe road racing, or whatever.

Tires are the primary suspension upgrade, all else being equal, to improve skid pad, improve the tires, and that will help improve lap times. And yeah, I'm sure it won't feel like it used to.... but that is kinda the point.

I just wish that they would add a lot more depth and realism in what mods are possible.

Related question - how are the tires in GT5? In the past, even the sport tires were over-grippy. IIRC, sport softs were equivalent to real like racing slicks or something like that. Is that still the case? What GT5 tire would most accurately represent street summer "ultra high performance" tires, like Michelin PS2s, Goodyear GS-D3 or that new BFG tire advertised to reach 1G on the skid pad?
 
HAHA! I knew you would come around to see the beauty of the Scuderia. I was baffled when you said it was the worst of the 3 after your Nurb. tests. Now you have seen the light haha.
 
I want to post my ring times for comparison, these are not grinded laps but pretty close to my limit.

Enzo: 7:19

458: 7:24

430: 7:29

might just throw in the 599: 7:38, but this was done a while ago and I wasn't that good on the ring by then.
 
Those times are outstanding. Yet the difference between the cars remains practically the same when pushing them a bit more without the "rules" I imposed myself, which shows the test have some sort of valid points. With some 5-6 seconds in between them.

Thanks for sharing.

Maybe Tsukuba it's a good test ground, to see more handling than power to weight ratio relevance. What do you guys think?
 
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its a bit too tight and doesn't favor the Enzo in that regard, it's a track where traction out of hairpin pretty much decides the laptime. I usually use Suzuka for short distance testing because there's both a medium speed section and high speed section, with some slow hairpin and chicanes throw in inbetween.
 
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