Enzo time on Nordschleife?

[Wolfe]

What I didn't like about Murray's review was how he wouldn't shut up about the F1! He also kept saying things like "such and such car copied the McLaren F1's this" and "the Veyron doesn't do this as well as my McLaren F1" and it made me soooo mad. He even said the CGT and Enzo had holes in the front and they couldn't pull off the "McLaren look," well excuse me if any one else is allowed to put cooling holes in the front of their car!

I noticed that too.

@Live4speed: I agree with you on the "super-GT" moniker, though I like to call it an "über-GT."

However, to be a cross between the two, there must be some compromises, and there are -- the car is as impractical as a supercar, and is as heavy as a GT. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Mr. Boy]

Why should the car's ride height be a problem? The Carrera GT and Zonda F have both run the Nordschleife, and they both have low ride heights. However, the Enzo still won't run the Nurburgring because of the risk of damaging the long nose on a jump like Flugplatz.

 

[Dave A]

Because the Enzo has a longer front overhang, it's also stillfer and probably still a bit lower than the CGT. You can press a button in the Enzo that raises the front a few inches for speed bumps, so going over one doesn't remove the front of the car, but driving around a track like would seriousely undermine the cars performance and may lead to too much air getting under the front which combine with a hill crest could spell disaster.

 

[Threshold]

Well if the Enzo can't do a lap around the Ring, then it's a not a real sports car. Sure it's fast, but if can't do one lap without getting damage, me thinks Ferrari should go back to the drawing board on this one.

 

[iceburns288]

Well if the Enzo can't do a lap around the Ring, then it's a not a real sports car. Sure it's fast, but if can't do one lap without getting damage, me thinks Ferrari should go back to the drawing board on this one.

Me knows Ferrari designed the track at Fiorano where there is a great driving surface. The Nurburgring is worse than most public roads, so you can't really blame Ferrari. It's by far the worst road surface of any major track.

 

[Wolfe]

Me knows Ferrari designed the track at Fiorano where there is a great driving surface. The Nurburgring is worse than most public roads, so you can't really blame Ferrari. It's by far the worst road surface of any major track.

You can't really blame the Nurburgring for that, either -- it is almost 80 years old now.

 

[iceburns288]

You can't really blame the Nurburgring for that, either -- it is almost 80 years old now.

Yeah, I know, plus it's got 100x more traffic than any other racing circuit except Le Mans (which it still has about 10x more). I'm just saying Ferrari didn't design their car to run at the Ring like Porsche did. It's like taking a car set up for Monza to Monte Carlo; it ain't gonna work.

 

[Mr. Boy]

Well if the Enzo can't do a lap around the Ring, then it's a not a real sports car.

I think there may be some truth to that statement. Any self-respecting sports car manufacturer tests their cars on the Ring, since if a car can handle the Ring, then it should handle every other curving back road in the world. Ferrari may have developed their Enzo on flat race tracks like Fiorano or Monza, without considering the Ring.

 

[Dave A]

Not really, the Enzo can lap the ring, but it'd be a slow lap, the Enzo was designed for smooth circuits, it was built as the ultimate supercar, setting up a car to be the ultimate supercar requires a compromise of performance in certain conditions or road surfaces. A track like the Ring is the Enzo's compromise, if it was setup to handle the Ring it wouldn't be as fast around tracks like silverstone or Fiorano. And one final note, Ferrari never test their cars at the Ring anyway.

 

[iceburns288]

I think there may be some truth to that statement. Any self-respecting sports car manufacturer tests their cars on the Ring, since if a car can handle the Ring, then it should handle every other curving back road in the world. Ferrari may have developed their Enzo on flat race tracks like Fiorano or Monza, without considering the Ring.

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti. None of them test at the ring.

 

[Dave A]

Bugatti did some testing there, but that was for heating and reliability, they never did any hot lapping. Koenigsegg took their car there after it was developed to run a fast lap, they didn't actually do any testing there, the same goes for Pagani, and I don't know if Lamborghini's that run there are taken after development by Lamborghini too, or if it's all been journalists and private run's.

 

[iceburns288]

Yeah, Pagani and Segg did take their production cars there to run hot laps. I forgot that Bugatti actually did do some testing at the Ring, you're right on that one.

 

[McLaren]

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti. None of them test at the ring.

Not true.

Every Lamborghini model of this century has tested at the 'Ring.
It's where their 1st shots have all come from. Only the Gallardo Spyder was not seen there.

The Diablo VT 6.0 was the only Diablo to test at the 'Ring unless you consider the GT model that was not being tested officially.

 

[Dave A]

He still got 3 out of 5 right, theres loads of self respecting manufacturers that don't test at the ring, from TVR to Aston Martin to Ferrari. Then you can expand that to manufacturers that have made sports or supercars that haven't tested thoes models at the ring, the list is a hell of a big one. The ring is not definitive, it is not the be all and end all of tests, one thing it is good at doing is testing mid sized and large saloon and executive cars, because of the nature of the surface if you can get the ride smooth there the car will be smooth in most places. For fast laps and performance testing, it's not definitive by any means.