Everyone loves petty revenge videos right?

[KungFury]

Ok then, sensationalize if you prefer.

 

[Famine]

SO? I still maintain I did not hit him

You think that a race car would lose speed without any external input at approximately the maximum braking force of a standard road car?

You hit him.

but EVEN IF I did, it is the most inconsequential of taps.

And from his point of view, some guy just hit him up the inside of a corner at the end of the first lap. Inconsequential to you, perhaps...

I get hit harder than that 10 times a race and somehow manage to not lose my temper and start punting people off track.

The entire point of this thread is that you got hit harder than that, lost your temper and punted him off the track...

I have never argued I wasn't in the wrong AFTER he hit me twice. I accept any criticism you want to give me for losing my temper. Because I did.

Except you just said that you don't lose your temper and start punting people off the track... But also said any criticism of you trying to put him onto the grass is "from another planet". Look:

Look guys, I am not sure what game some of your are playing, but everything you are criticizing me for "you are trying to force him onto the grass" is from some other planet. If i was "trying" to force him on to the grass he would have been on the grass.

The clip quite clearly shows you turning into him while he's alongside you and crowding him off the track, twice, on the run down to the Ford Chicane.

All you're doing is giving him payback for what he's done to you. What you don't realise is that he may well be giving you payback for what you've done to him.

Maybe "slightly aggressive" but I thought this was a racing game that we are trying to win?

You're in 13th place from 20 cars after the first lap of ten. What are you winning from back there?

 

[gmaki]

You think that a race car would lose speed without any external input at approximately the maximum braking force of a standard road car?

You hit him.

And from his point of view, some guy just hit him up the inside of a corner at the end of the first lap. Inconsequential to you, perhaps...

Dude, you are getting way to invested in proving me wrong here. Even if I did hit him it didn't upset his line, it didn't cause him a loss of traction, it didn't cost him a position, and it didn't cost him any speed. It doesn't get any more inconsequential than that.

I was hit a LOT harder just a couple seconds later, and just assumed it was accidental and it probably was.

You are just determined to find a fault with me and defend a guy who literally intentionally punted me off the track.

By the way it is not a good look for a moderator to start criticizing someone for violating minor forum rules, and editing their posts just because they disagree with you.

Take a pill.

The entire point of this thread is that you got hit harder than that, lost your temper and punted him off the track...

Right, hit HARDER than that, so hard as a matter of fact I was nearly punted off the corner and lost two positions as a result. On a corner where by the way you claim he was in the right to hit me since i SHOULD have been accelerating at that point. On the slowest corner on the whole track and one in which setting yourself up for the next corner is far more important than being fast. And again I was recovering from HIM hitting me just a couple seconds earlier.

It is fascinating how you can repeatedly criticize me for an incredibly minor possible tap in a corner where I was clearly faster than him, and then in the same breath excuse him for hitting me cause I was not accelerating at the proper time.

This is beginning to get personal with you. again this a very bad look for moderator.

Except you just said that you don't lose your temper and start punting people off the track... But also said any criticism of you trying to put him onto the grass is "from another planet". Look:

I think it is pretty clear to most reasonable people two hard hits that knock me sideways are a bit more severe than a tap so light it has a smaller affect that an up shift on the car. Yes your forensic analysis tells you that I absolutely did hit him. Fine.

But watching both my car and his in car in real time it is impossible to tell. So how would he even know I hit him? and if he is the sort of guy that gets payback for every single tap he is going to have to be taking out every player in the game.

I am sorry but I absolutely disagree he had any cause for retaliation against me. Despite the that fact that you are determined to absolve him.

The clip quite clearly shows you turning into him while he's alongside you and crowding him off the track, twice, on the run down to the Ford Chicane.

We are going to have to agree to disagree, it CLEARLY shows no such thing. When I race I use the whole track, and I assume other drivers do as well. You can't show me a place where he did not have a car width of track available to him. The proof is that while alongside my car he never had a single wheel off track.

As a matter if fact there are at least three occasions before he punted me off track where I could easily have forced him off, one on the corner just prior where he was on the outside and I was holding my line on the inside. It would have been a trivial move for me to ease my car to the outside and force him into the gravel which would have put him out for good and probably not even incurred a penalty on me.

All you're doing is giving him payback for what he's done to you. What you don't realise is that he may well be giving you payback for what you've done to him.

On this we agree, and I have admitted that from the very first post in this thread.

You're in 13th place from 20 cars after the first lap of ten. What are you winning from back there?

Top 10 you gain DR, bottom 10 you lose. I know that thanks to you.

 

[Famine]

Dude, you are getting way to invested in proving me wrong here.

Not really.

You hit him at the start of the video. It's quite clear. You want to play the innocent and reckon everything came from you running him a bit tight in turn one (which was fine) and him being the aggressor throughout, but you're not even considering the fact that you hit him first and all of his reactions - just like yours - are ludicrous over-reactions to a perceived slight from contact.

We are going to have to agree to disagree, it CLEARLY shows no such thing.

The red dot is your steering wheel position. In both images I posted it is right of centre, while there is a car to your right - and fully to your right - at the edge of the track.

The proof is that while alongside my car he never had a single wheel off track.

That's the third contact on this short straight. You're steering to the right, he's still to your right and both of his right hand wheels are off the track.

Despite the that fact that you are determined to absolve him.

Nope. I think you're as bad as each other.

By the way it is not a good look for a moderator to start criticizing someone for violating minor forum rules, and editing their posts just because they disagree with you.

Your posts were merged (again) because you didn't use the multiquote feature (again) - and apparently the notifications that you weren't using the multiquote feature when you should have been were having no effect. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with anyone, and no part of your posts apart from the fact they were originally separate ones have been changed.

 

[gmaki]

Your posts were merged (again) because you didn't use the multiquote feature (again) - and apparently the notifications that you weren't using the multiquote feature when you should have been were having no effect. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with anyone, and no part of your posts apart from the fact they were originally separate ones have been changed.

No you're a power hungry hall monitor that can't handle disagreement. Seriously dude no one gives a crap about your internet power trip.

As far as the rest of it look at the god damn title of the thread. It says "PETTY" revenge. I think it is implied we were both in the wrong. The only reason I did not ADMIT to the previous contact is because I was not even aware it happened and I doubt he was. Had I been trying to hide the fact I would have just cut it out of the video.

 

[Famine]

No you're a power hungry hall monitor that can't handle disagreement.

Uh-huh. That's why I'm doing name-calling down the internet at someone who disagreed with me.

Oh, wait.

As far as the rest of it look at the god damn title of the thread. It says "PETTY" revenge. I think it is implied we were both in the wrong. The only reason I did not ADMIT to the previous contact is because I was not even aware it happened and I doubt he was. Had I been trying to hide the fact I would have just cut it out of the video.

'kay. So why are you having a tantrum at me now for pointing out that you were as bad as him?

Is it because you think that your only indiscretion here is the revenge, not the tap at the start of the video and not the sideswipes down the approach to the Ford Chicane, or because I keep proving your claims wrong, with screengrabs of your own video, and you keep having to change your story? Where is any of this my fault?

If you want to do stuff like this, tank your DR/SR and get into the Ds and Es. It's quite good fun when everyone is playing by the same rules of battering each other. At B/B people have a more reasonable expectation of not being blitzed into oblivion because a minor scuff happened.

 

[Leggacy]

There’s never justification for ramming. That’s not how to race.

 

[05XR8]

The sweetest revenge would have been to finish in front of the other driver.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I think everyone’s being a little hard on OP here.

Let’s appreciate that @gmaki took the time to produce and post some original content (unlike most new posts here about SR), and not dogpile on his driving or race craft decision.

He even writes with the knowing tone of acknowledgement that he let the red mist get the better of him.

So yeah although I am usually a big hater on these types of posts, any kind of hard work put into original content should be encouraged on a discussion forum and not **** on..

 

[gmaki]

Uh-huh. That's why I'm doing name-calling down the internet at someone who disagreed with me.

Oh, wait.

'kay. So why are you having a tantrum at me now for pointing out that you were as bad as him?

It is your OPINION that I am as bad as him. that I disagree with 100%. You seem to equate the initial contact with the hard hits that happened later. I am sorry but I do not agree and I think you are being disingenuous by claiming that they are the same.

Is it because you think that your only indiscretion here is the revenge, not the tap at the start of the video and not the sideswipes down the approach to the Ford Chicane?

Yes I DO think my only indiscretion was the revenge. I absolutely do not fault myself for contact in the first corner (of the video) or of leaving him limited space at the end of the straight. I consider that racing, and again I think you are being incredibly disingenuous to claim that somehow that initial tap was some sort of crime. Either that or you don't actually play this game online.

If you want to do stuff like this, tank your DR/SR and get into the Ds and Es. It's quite good fun when everyone is playing by the same rules of battering each other. At B/B people have a more reasonable expectation of not being blitzed into oblivion because a minor scuff happened.

My SR is 99, and has only been below that for two days over the last 10, one of which was after 5 races with the boys from Brazil. This race did occur at one of the low points so I was not matched up with the kind of drivers I normally am. There was a lot more pushing and shoving in this race than the all S races.

Also, just to clear my conscious here is the ENTIRE first lap from my view. Go ahead and tell me how I was too aggressive with all the catching up to him and what not, and how he has a right to be angry he got passed.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The sad thing is that I see this stuff more often in SR.S races than SR.B. I've lowered my SR to B for a 5 days (by draft bumping and quitting races, not wrecking people) and found well behaved races there with actually less aggressive behavior. Match making also works better at SR.B making tighter groups, which prevents the problem of DR.A drivers in front crashing into each other and trying to muscle their way back through a field of slower DR.C / DR.B drivers. (I'm usually around low to mid DR.B)

It's impossible to stay there however. Doing 5 10 lap races in a row yesterday and I was back to max SR with crap match making, not being able to get to the finish line in time in 4th in the 10 lap race. And I got to 4th from 12th in that max SR.S race by people behaving like that video all over the place...

If I could choose I would rather stay in SR.B At least people are trying to improve their SR there instead of affording themselves a couple taps per race. Plus in SR.B people don't lose their temper on small mistakes as they happen all the time. SR.S is not a golden ticket to get away from 'that' behavior, it's were people end up trying to run away from their own behavior...

 

[gmaki]

The sad thing is that I see this stuff more often in SR.S races than SR.B. I've lowered my SR to B for a 5 days (by draft bumping and quitting races, not wrecking people) and found well behaved races there with actually less aggressive behavior. Match making also works better at SR.B making tighter groups, which prevents the problem of DR.A drivers in front crashing into each other and trying to muscle their way back through a field of slower DR.C / DR.B drivers. (I'm usually around low to mid DR.B)

It's impossible to stay there however. Doing 5 10 lap races in a row yesterday and I was back to max SR with crap match making, not being able to get to the finish line in time in 4th in the 10 lap race. And I got to 4th from 12th in that max SR.S race by people behaving like that video all over the place...

If I could choose I would rather stay in SR.B At least people are trying to improve their SR there instead of affording themselves a couple taps per race. Plus in SR.B people don't lose their temper on small mistakes as they happen all the time. SR.S is not a golden ticket to get away from 'that' behavior, it's were people end up trying to run away from their own behavior...

That is a pretty good point but honestly I do prefer the strong SRS races overall. Yes you still get hit but as I have been trying to convince Famine some of that is just part of the game. In the higher matches it is a lot harder because even mid pack it is VERY difficult to pick up spots. People much faster than you sometime crash, catch you and then of course want by and can be aggressive about it. I resent none of it unless and until it becomes an intent to knock me out.

If I get tapped because someone is just a bit too eager to pass me AND they are clearly faster than me, I just let them by and go on about my way.

I think everyone’s being a little hard on OP here.

Let’s appreciate that @gmaki took the time to produce and post some original content (unlike most new posts here about SR), and not dogpile on his driving or race craft decision.

He even writes with the knowing tone of acknowledgement that he let the red mist get the better of him.

So yeah although I am usually a big hater on these types of posts, any kind of hard work put into original content should be encouraged on a discussion forum and not **** on..

Really no one other than Famine is here. Which is odd. As you point out this is a good topic for the forum with original content if nothing else.

You'd think he would want to PROMOTE this sort of discussion on gtplanet rather than take a crap on it and get all pedantic about forum rules.

Makes me want to go somewhere else for good discussion to be honest.

 

[Famine]

My SR is 99, and the lowest it has ever been since hitting 99 and has only been below that for two days over the last 10, one of which was after 5 races with the boys from Brazil. This race did occur at one of the low points so I was not matched up with the kind of drivers I normally am. There was a lot more pushing and shoving in this race than the all S races.

Nevertheless, people at higher SR ratings don't expect this kind of nonsense. At lower SR ratings it seems to be part of the game to smack each other about a bit. I've spent a week playing at C/C down to D/E and there's no race that doesn't have at least three drivers purposely hitting each other all race long. It's quite good fun getting round those races, without caring what happens to your SR.

It is your OPINION that I am as bad as him. that I disagree with 100%.

So it seems...

You seem to equate the initial contact with the hard hits that happened later. I am sorry but I do not agree and I think you are being disingenuous by claiming that they are the same.

Good job I didn't claim that then.

What I said was that you're entirely failing to consider that this hit - up the inside on a slow corner, which is pretty rude - may have seemed exactly as deliberate to him as the contact he made with you in turn two seemed to you.

You're not considering in any way that hitting him annoyed him and that his subsequent contact with you was his revenge on you. Battering his driver's door in down the straight towards Ford Chicane and hitting him off the track simply escalated it further.

Yes I DO think my only indiscretion was the revenge.

So you don't count the repeated sideswipes and forcing him off the track as an indiscretion?

I absolutely do not fault myself for contact in the first corner (of the video)

So who was at fault for that contact?

or of leaving him limited space at the end of the straight.

That's neither here nor there. At least you left him some room on the track, unlike the next straight...

I consider that racing, and again I think you are being incredibly disingenuous to claim that somehow that initial tap was some sort of crime.

No, you're not getting it. It doesn't matter what I think - you didn't hit me. You hit him, so it matters what HE thinks.

Everything after that hit could simply have been him getting his revenge on you for that hit. Just as everything after the turn 2 hit was you getting revenge for his hit.

You could simply have encountered someone with the same mindset as you: "Right, he's hit me, he's not getting away with it". Or "right, he's disagreed with me, I'm going to insult him", as you've graduated to.

 

[dylan86_exe]

I actually thought you were a little dirty in your driving OP. Intentional or not. I was thinking to my self "why isn't he giving him enough room?". "Why is he bumping into him?"... From your opponents point of view, I can understand why he gave some of it back.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Indeed the fastesr cars catching you from behind is an issue. I never let them see daylight and take the inside line on turn entry. There are not that many high ranked drivers that will just fear end you, but they will indeed try to wedge a nose in the inside if you are even a little towards the middle of the track.

I establish my inside racing line early on the approach to the corner and let them figure out how to overtake or end up in the gravel on the outside.

That is a pretty good point but honestly I do prefer the strong SRS races overall. Yes you still get hit but as I have been trying to convince Famine some of that is just part of the game. In the higher matches it is a lot harder because even mid pack it is VERY difficult to pick up spots. People much faster than you sometime crash, catch you and then of course want by and can be aggressive about it. I resent none of it unless and until it becomes an intent to knock me out.

If I get tapped because someone is just a bit too eager to pass me AND they are clearly faster than me, I just let them by and go on about my way.



Really no one other than Famine is here. Which is odd. As you point out this is a good topic for the forum with original content if nothing else.

You'd think he would want to PROMOTE this sort of discussion on gtplanet rather than take a crap on it and get all pedantic about forum rules.

Make me want to go somewhere else for good discussion to be honest.

 

[gmaki]

I actually thought you were a little dirty in your driving OP. Intentional or not. I was thinking to my self "why isn't he giving him enough room?". "Why is he bumping into him?"... From your opponents point of view, I can understand why he gave some of it back.

Give some of it back? as in not give me much room during a pass? sure no problem.

Give some of it back as in hit me so hard my car gets pitched sideways? THAT is a problem.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That is a pretty good point but honestly I do prefer the strong SRS races overall. Yes you still get hit but as I have been trying to convince Famine some of that is just part of the game. In the higher matches it is a lot harder because even mid pack it is VERY difficult to pick up spots. People much faster than you sometime crash, catch you and then of course want by and can be aggressive about it. I resent none of it unless and until it becomes an intent to knock me out.

If I get tapped because someone is just a bit too eager to pass me AND they are clearly faster than me, I just let them by and go on about my way.

The problem I have with matchmaking at SR.S is not the higher difficulty. Well part of it is. I like to be able the finish the race and think that should be possible in a clean race with no mistakes. Yet if matchmaking puts a DR.S up front that runs the laps 2 to 3 sec faster, timed out before the finish.

The other problem is those impatient crash outs. Plenty times I've had great tight battles mid pack with other DR.B drivers, cleanly swapping places and going side by side though corners, to then be interrupted by getting dive bombed by a faster player trying to get back to the front and taking one of us out, ending the fun. If it's just me by myself I let them go ahead to crash again later. Yet if I'm already bumper to bumper or side by side with someone else they could wait for a better spot than muscle through in the first corner they catch up.

 

[gmaki]

The problem I have with matchmaking at SR.S is not the higher difficulty. Well part of it is. I like to be able the finish the race and think that should be possible in a clean race with no mistakes. Yet if matchmaking puts a DR.S up front that runs the laps 2 to 3 sec faster, timed out before the finish.

The other problem is those impatient crash outs. Plenty times I've had great tight battles mid pack with other DR.B drivers, cleanly swapping places and going side by side though corners, to then be interrupted by getting dive bombed by a faster player trying to get back to the front and taking one of us out, ending the fun. If it's just me by myself I let them go ahead to crash again later. Yet if I'm already bumper to bumper or side by side with someone else they could wait for a better spot than muscle through in the first corner they catch up.

I have said before I think the answer to this is even further stratification of the SR points. It is pretty easy to get to 99, yet very difficult to get to DRS.

If the top SR rating was say, 200, and 200 was very hard to achieve people would be continually striving to improve their ratings to get better matches. Also the top rating would be very hard to hang on to. As in at that level even one or two penalties in a race would take you down a few notches.

I was actually all the way down in B for a few races with the Brazilian gang and let me tell you I had forgotten how bad it was down there. Taught me a lesson to not let that happen again. I'll take SRS over that any day.

Funny me preaching that on a thread about me losing my ****. But again that is a lesson learned too. Hopefully next time I will maintain my cool. Although in SRS I am not sure I have had someone blatantly trying to take me out repeatedly like that. The bumps and punts in SRS are almost always easy to chalk up to lapses in judgement and eagerness. Quite often the punter will then slow down and give your position back.

 

[dylan86_exe]

18s - you were nearly edging him off track. You had loads of room to race fairly.
44s - some other guy is crashing and bashing him (i'd be pretty pissed by this point)
49s - you're edging him into the dirt. Why?
1.03s - he turns into you but you turn into him too, edging him nearly off track again..

Honestly, he was getting a pretty rough ride. I don't think you were intentionally trying to hit him. Try to take some criticism out of all this and learn from it.
I'm not saint either. I've done exactly the same thing. There's been more times I can count where I thought somebody was doing something deliberately, and for me to retaliate - only to discover on the replay that it wasn't the case and i'd ruined someones race because of it.

 

[gmaki]

18s - you were nearly edging him off track. You had loads of room to race fairly.

I maintain I was racing fairly in my opinion. For that corner you want to start as far to the left as possible to give yourself the best angle through the tight turn. Pretty simple actually. I did not put him off the track. I had the inside line and left him enough room to remain on track and make the corner. I just didn't leave him any option to make any moves against me.

I am sorry he didn't like it. But I was faster than him down the straight and thems the breaks.

If he couldn't handle his outside position he could have braked early and tried an undercut (or you know just conceded the position given that I had pretty easily caught him a from several seconds behind which is what I would have done in that situation knowing the overtake was inevitable). It really isn't my problem, again as long as I don't force him off the track.

44s - some other guy is crashing and bashing him (i'd be pretty pissed by this point)
49s - you're edging him into the dirt. Why?

From here on out I was in the wrong. I was getting revenge. I have been pretty clear and consistent on this. My biggest wrong, which I have not explicitly fessed up to was hitting that Tater guy who was also driving dirty but had done nothing to me.

All of this was AFTER the two blatant hits on his part. Right or wrong, and I freely admit on the whole I was wrong, I was going after payback.

1.03s - he turns into you but you turn into him too, edging him nearly off track again..

Yep, However I would describe "nearly" off track as "still on the track."

Honestly, he was getting a pretty rough ride. I don't think you were intentionally trying to hit him. Try to take some criticism out of all this and learn from it.
I'm not saint either. I've done exactly the same thing. There's been more times I can count where I thought somebody was doing something deliberately, and for me to retaliate - only to discover on the replay that it wasn't the case and i'd ruined someones race because of it.

Yes he was getting a rough ride, and as I view the replay and consider some of the points Famine made, his offenses could have been a series of accidents and frustration, in which case I did a pretty bad thing.

I still think his punting me off the track was fully intentional as he aimed right for me and was not on or attempting to get on a racing line. The only mitigating factor is that he was on the brakes (again thanks Famine). But he may have been on the brakes just to make sure he didn't overshoot me since he knew I had to be on the brakes very hard right there too.

 

[Tristan Jones]

Are you certain about that? Here is the entire incident exclusively from my bumper cam. I went over it several times and snapped a photo of the closest I ever was to him. I don't think I tapped him and if I did it was so minor that it didn't even unsettle him. If you want to see my vid from the very start of the race I will upload it but I assure you until that corner there was no history between me and that beetle.

Look guys, I am not sure what game some of your are playing, but everything you are criticizing me for "you are trying to force him onto the grass" is from some other planet. If i was "trying" to force him on to the grass he would have been on the grass. Yes, sometimes I leave him JUST enough room to stay on track, while setting my self up better for the turn.

That is racing my friends and if you can't handle it you shouldn't be there. The same things happens to me all the time and as long as I am left enough room to have 4 wheels on some form of pavement I see it as fair play. If I can't manage my car in that situation then I should back off.

I accept all the criticism for the red mist driving after the second bump. But prior to that I have to disagree.

I did like a triple take there! Thought I saw my car in a petty revenge thread! PSN is Jonesy82360 btw.

A mate made a Magnus Walker livery for me that looks very similar to yours!

 

[gmaki]

I did like a triple take there! Thought I saw my car in a petty revenge thread! PSN is Jonesy82360 btw.

A mate made a Magnus Walker livery for me that looks very similar to yours!

He did a very nice job and you have great taste! lol.

This is (kinda) the only livery I have ever made and it took me forever.

 

[gmaki]

Oh, and your traction control light is on but you aren't on the power, which is a dead giveaway that you've lost traction for some reason...

Is that so?

This is before you claim I made contact. You need to rethink what you call evidence. You can't just make claims that sound scientific when you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[gmaki]

Also, Hall Monitor Famine here are the official guidlines for "Double Posting" which you should familiarize yourself with;

Double Posting

“Double posting” occurs when a user makes two consecutive posts, one after another. If this is done for no apparent reason, “double posting” is typically frowned upon and may result in a warning or infraction for “spam”.

However, double-posting is not forbidden, and can be useful in many cases. For example, if a reasonable amount of time has passed or you have significant information to add to the topic, present it in a new post so that others, including thread subscribers, are made aware of the update

Note this says that double posting is "frowned upon" when done for no apparent reason, or perhaps it feels like spam. When I double post it is because I am responding to TWO DIFFERENT USERS which is an "apparent reason" and a pretty good one. There is also provision for doing so when "enough time has passed." Which I would think if I read one persons post and reply with a quote, and then read another persons post and reply to THAT post separately with a quote that should be perfectly reasonable and literally falls within two of the acceptable reasons for double posting.

Like I said you are a hall monitor who thinks being an admin on a low population message board affords you some authority.

Snap our of your delusion dude.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Are you certain about that? Here is the entire incident exclusively from my bumper cam. I went over it several times and snapped a photo of the closest I ever was to him. I don't think I tapped him and if I did it was so minor that it didn't even unsettle him. If you want to see my vid from the very start of the race I will upload it but I assure you until that corner there was no history between me and that beetle.

Thanks for the video and it pretty much confirms my summary I posted earlier. I noticed a couple of other things as well.
There was contact in the last corner. The sound is quite clear on the video.
It was you who caused the Porsche to spin in turn 4:

At the exit of turn 4 you have the Beetle beside you but you are quite clearly not intending to leave him a lane to drive in as your car is not pointed to a place on the track that would leave room for him. Contact ensues not once but twice as you try to squeeze him onto the grass:

My original analysis is confirmed and in my estimation you were both in the wrong for causing each other to crash out but your actions are far from innocent. It was basically a tit for tat situation and you got as good as you gave.

Look guys, I am not sure what game some of your are playing, but everything you are criticizing me for "you are trying to force him onto the grass" is from some other planet. If i was "trying" to force him on to the grass he would have been on the grass. Yes, sometimes I leave him JUST enough room to stay on track, while setting my self up better for the turn.

That is racing my friends and if you can't handle it you shouldn't be there. The same things happens to me all the time and as long as I am left enough room to have 4 wheels on some form of pavement I see it as fair play. If I can't manage my car in that situation then I should back off.

I accept all the criticism for the red mist driving after the second bump. But prior to that I have to disagree.

I don't think you were leaving him room as to me, leaving him room means avoiding contact. If you have to make contact to do it, you are squeezing him. You were deliberately squeezing him to the edge of the track with contact occurring at least 3 times and one time he may have been forced onto the rumble strips without contact but I can't tell from the replays provided. It's unsporting IMO and the person you tried to squeeze out took offense. I can't say it's the best course of action on his part, but it's understandable that he was probably frustrated and tired of being squeezed over especially when he appeared to avoid deliberate contact on entry into turn 5 and made sure and gave you space in turn 6. Just speculation on my part, but if I were in his shoes that would be me giving you the signal with my driving that all is ok, we're racing here and I'm avoiding contact with you so let's race clean. You forced him to the curbing on the exit of turn 6 and he just lost it or so it seems.

 

[Shottah072]

T2 was fine, aggresive but fine, but other then that you hit him in the corner leading up to s/f, took someone out in T4, ran him off track on the straight after and squeezed him a little exiting ford. So up untill it became Burnout Revenge you were not exactly clean yourself either. Looks like you pushed eachothers buttons and it exploded in your faces.

 

[zzz_pt]

Is that so?

This is before you claim I made contact. You need to rethink what you call evidence. You can't just make claims that sound scientific when you don't know what you're talking about.

You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Famine didn't say "TCS on" but "TCS light on". Very different.

On your screenshot the light is off. When it's on, i.e. the TCS is actively doing something, the icon will show up red. When it's white it just means the driver has that aid enabled (it can or can not be triggered depending on how he's driving and on what level he's using it).

Go to the previous page, read Famine's post again, look at the screenshots he put there and you'll understand his point.

 

[TheGeologist]

Where is the popcorn?

 

[gmaki]

Thanks for the video and it pretty much confirms my summary I posted earlier. I noticed a couple of other things as well.
There was contact in the last corner. The sound is quite clear on the video.
It was you who caused the Porsche to spin in turn 4:

Contact in the last corner. I think we have been over this. So what?

Yes I caused the Porsche to spin out. admitted it already. Do you think it counts against me again to mention it AGAIN?

At the exit of turn 4 you have the Beetle beside you but you are quite clearly not intending to leave him a lane to drive in as your car is not pointed to a place on the track that would leave room for him. Contact ensues not once but twice as you try to squeeze him onto the grass:

You can read my intent? I was not intending to leave him a lane, but yet I did leave him a lane? How does that work Are you Famine posting under a different name?

And again as I have stated since the VERY FREAKING BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD I was seeking revenge after he knocked me twice in the previous corner. I have not been shy about admitting this.

My only statement here is that I was not trying to run him off track. I was trying to give him exactly what he gave me.

My original analysis is confirmed and in my estimation you were both in the wrong for causing each other to crash out but your actions are far from innocent. It was basically a tit for tat situation and you got as good as you gave.

Really, we were both wrong? so you'd say my revenge was petty right? read the title of the thread and thanks for the hard hitting analysis Famine2

I don't think you were leaving him room as to me, leaving him room means avoiding contact. If you have to make contact to do it, you are squeezing him. You were deliberately squeezing him to the edge of the track with contact occurring at least 3 times and one time he may have been forced onto the rumble strips without contact but I can't tell from the replays provided. It's unsporting IMO and the person you tried to squeeze out took offense. I can't say it's the best course of action on his part, but it's understandable that he was probably frustrated and tired of being squeezed over especially when he appeared to avoid deliberate contact on entry into turn 5 and made sure and gave you space in turn 6. Just speculation on my part, but if I were in his shoes that would be me giving you the signal with my driving that all is ok, we're racing here and I'm avoiding contact with you so let's race clean. You forced him to the curbing on the exit of turn 6 and he just lost it or so it seems.

You are ignoring pre him hitting me very hard TWICE in succession and POST him hitting me. Everything you say post hits are valid, but it is not a matter of debate as I have admitted it from the very beginning. He hit me and hit him back. He punted me off the track and I punted him back.

You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about.

Famine didn't say "TCS on" but "TCS light on". Very different.

On your screenshot the light is off. When it's on, i.e. the TCS is actively doing something, the icon will show up red. When it's white it just means the driver has that aid enabled (it can or can not be triggered depending on how he's driving and on what level he's using it).

Go to the previous page, read Famine's post again, look at the screenshots he put there and you'll understand his point.

Conceded.

T2 was fine, aggresive but fine, but other then that you hit him in the corner leading up to s/f, took someone out in T4, ran him off track on the straight after and squeezed him a little exiting ford. So up untill it became Burnout Revenge you were not exactly clean yourself either. Looks like you pushed eachothers buttons and it exploded in your faces.

Completely agree.

 

[KungFury]

As long as this thread is going strong there's one less retaliating driver in game to worry about.