Evolution GT - a new PS2 racing sim

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live4speed
I don't think he meant that, I think he was just talking in general about how much he likes the games.
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Bingo. 👍

Oh, and GT3 would lie somewhere around the arcade games or Sega GT...
 
im not a fan of gt4, much prefer 3, but its a dam site better than enthusia which feels like a cross between sega gt and forza which didnt impress me at all. heres hoping evolution gt has something special about it.
 
Hun200kmh
Try Enthusia Professional Racing. Concerning physics (and some other minor things, like the AI), it is THE BEST sim available for the PS2.
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The physics are actually quite flawed in Enthusia.. In some ways, they are flawed more than GT4... If you want realistic physics, try Toca 3 on pro sim mode... Great fun...




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Both GT4 and EPR shine in some ways and they're both flawed in others. Imo you have to put them pretty close to each other overall.
 
kikie
I don't agree. Toca 3 is a realistic arcade game but that's all.
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I wholeheartedly dissagree... In a lot of ways, it simulates forces acting on a car, much better than GT4, or the floaty Enthusia...



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kikie
I don't agree. Toca 3 is a realistic arcade game but that's all.
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On Sim, they are a bit on the arcady side. On Pro-sim, they are better than GT4.

The physics feel right in ToCA 3 (Pro-sim) and you don't just understeer like in GT4. They're still not perfect, though.
 
I actually haven't played TRD3 yet, so I can't say anything there. However, after the first two games, I learned to just not expect true realism from those games, and figured TRD3 would just be a graphics and sound update... :indiff:

Anyway, Delphic Reason -- you say Enthusia is "floaty." Have you ever actually gone out and lost traction in a real car? It's easier than you might think, especially with a 300hp sportscar.
 
Wolfe2x7
I actually haven't played TRD3 yet, so I can't say anything there. However, after the first two games, I learned to just not expect true realism from those games, and figured TRD3 would just be a graphics and sound update... :indiff:

Anyway, Delphic Reason -- you say Enthusia is "floaty." Have you ever actually gone out and lost traction in a real car? It's easier than you might think, especially with a 300hp sportscar.
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Well Delphic reason does have a 240sx I think he's tried to lose traction in that atleast once.
 
Wolfe2x7
Anyway, Delphic Reason -- you say Enthusia is "floaty." Have you ever actually gone out and lost traction in a real car? It's easier than you might think, especially with a 300hp sportscar.
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Bro, I'm 26... I have been racing for 8 years (autocorss, rallycross, drag), and drifting for a little over 3 (check my sig, for older pics of my drift car)... I have driven eveything from my old 130HP MK2 Golf GTi, to a 500+HP S14 Silvia... Enthusia has some serious issues, just as GT4 does... They're just different issues...

I have played through Enthusia, all the GT games, all the Toca games (Toca 3 being far and above the most realistic (on pro sim mode))... Enthusia is a good game, but it is not all that most are making it out to be...

So far, I'm still not 100% impressed with any racing sim (at least on consoles)...





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Delphic Reason
Bro, I'm 26... I have been racing for 8 years (autocorss, rallycross, drag), and drifting for a little over 3 (check my sig, for older pics of my drift car)... I have driven eveything from my old 130HP MK2 Golf GTi, to a 500+HP S14 Silvia... Enthusia has some serious issues, just as GT4 does... They're just different issues...

I have played through Enthusia, all the GT games, all the Toca games (Toca 3 being far and above the most realistic (on pro sim mode))... Enthusia is a good game, but it is not all that most are making it out to be...

So far, I'm still not 100% impressed with any racing sim (at least on consoles)...

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Alright then, I wasn't aware of that. :lol: :)

So when you say "floaty," are we talking about suspension/car movement or tire traction, here? Enthusia is grippier than, say, Live for Speed or GTR, but I could understand if you feel that the suspension moves rather smoothly.
 
Wolfe2x7
Alright then, I wasn't aware of that. :lol: :)

So when you say "floaty," are we talking about suspension/car movement or tire traction, here? Enthusia is grippier than, say, Live for Speed or GTR, but I could understand if you feel that the suspension moves rather smoothly.
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"Floaty" is a term that generally explains the traction and suspension relation... Where GT4 has slight understeer problems, and latidudinal and longitudinal traction problems. Enthusia has extreme oversteer issues, and drivetrain confusion (FWD's in particular, handle nothing like they do in real life)...




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Delphic Reason
"Floaty" is a term that generally explains the traction and suspension relation... Where GT4 has slight understeer problems, and latidudinal and longitudinal traction problems. Enthusia has extreme oversteer issues, and drivetrain confusion (FWD's in particular, handle nothing like they do in real life)...




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I understand the term "floaty" with regards to videogames (some of the "floatiest" racing games ever made are the Colin McRae series... :lol: ), but wanted to know which specific context you were using it in, here.

I agree that GT4 has some understeer problems, and it has problems with rotational movement, inertia, momentum, and how they relate to loss-of-traction situations (not sure if that's what you meant by "latitudinal and longitudinal traction problems").

Enthusia's oversteer problems can actually be defined rather specifically, and in my opinion, they're nowhere near "extreme" -- it's a little too easy to "catch" drifts with countersteer, and over-correction is a little too easy to avoid. As for the FWD cars, I'm not sure what you're expecting out of them, but they do everything I would expect them to do in EPR.
 
Wolfe2x7
Enthusia's oversteer problems can actually be defined rather specifically, and in my opinion, they're nowhere near "extreme" -- it's a little too easy to "catch" drifts with countersteer, and over-correction is a little too easy to avoid. As for the FWD cars, I'm not sure what you're expecting out of them, but they do everything I would expect them to do in EPR.
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Well, despite how you want to classify it... They are pretty extreme, in comparison to real life... Also, the FWD physics in the EPR are completely backwards... I had been racing FWD's for over 5 years before I started on RWD's, and Enthusia just has the physics all wrong... I'm not the only one that noticed this... The official Enthusia boards are littered with it, and many members here at GTP have noticed it, and some have even tossed the game out the window because of it... My good friend Boundary Layer, for instance... A good example of good FWD physics can be seen in Toca 3 on PRO-sim mode (not regualr sim mode)... They just about have it down perfect (although not quite)...

However, this discussion would be better handled via PM... This is, afterall, an Evolution GT thread, not the Enthusia thread...




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Delphic Reason
Well, despite how you want to classify it... They are pretty extreme, in comparison to real life... Also, the FWD physics in the EPR are completely backwards... I had been racing FWD's for over 5 years before I started on RWD's, and Enthusia just has the physics all wrong... I'm not the only one that noticed this... The official Enthusia boards are littered with it, and many members here at GTP have noticed it, and some have even tossed the game out the window because of it... My good friend Boundary Layer, for instance... A good example of good FWD physics can be seen in Toca 3 on PRO-sim mode (not regualr sim mode)... They just about have it down perfect (although not quite)...

However, this discussion would be better handled via PM... This is, afterall, an Evolution GT thread, not the Enthusia thread...

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I'm sorry, but you've said nothing specific about any flaws or problems you have with the game...you need to support your arguments. Tell me which phenomena or handling characteristics you are referring to, and maybe we can get somewhere.

Anyway, as live4speed said, the Enthusia forum would be a good place to take this, especially considering there's already a physics thread.
 
Wolfe2x7
I'm sorry, but you've said nothing specific about any flaws or problems you have with the game...you need to support your arguments. Tell me which phenomena or handling characteristics you are referring to, and maybe we can get somewhere.

Anyway, as live4speed said, the Enthusia forum would be a good place to take this, especially considering there's already a physics thread.
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Whoa... You're getting a little too defensive here... You're forgetting I have played through the game, and I even enjoyed it (I still play it from time to time)... I have posted in the physics thread, and my thoughts on the subject have been pretty well outlined in various threads... If you want to discuss this, send me a PM, and I would be more than happy to further outline my findings... Both from a scientific standpoint, and a comparitive standpoint... Oh, and yes, the suspension movement in Enthusia is WAY too smooth... There isn't enough variation in the strength of compression/rebound, as well as corner to corner variations... (just a little conversation starter for the PM:lol: )

Now, back on topic... Seriously...





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Delphic Reason
Whoa... You're getting a little too defensive here... You're forgetting I have played through the game, and I even enjoyed it (I still play it from time to time)... I have posted in the physics thread, and my thoughts on the subject have been pretty well outlined in various threads... If you want to discuss this, send me a PM, and I would be more than happy to further outline my findings... Both from a scientific standpoint, and a comparitive standpoint... Oh, and yes, the suspension movement in Enthusia is WAY too smooth... There isn't enough variation in the strength of compression/rebound, as well as corner to corner variations... (just a little conversation starter for the PM:lol: )

Now, back on topic... Seriously...

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I'm not being defensive (though I can see where you could interpret that from my post :scared: ) -- you're just not being specific. :lol: I also checked for any threads where you've discussed Enthusia's physics, and it's all the same -- "Take a FWD out in Enthusia, and tell me how accurate the physics are... I have driven many FWD's and they do not act in any way shape or form as they do in Enthusia..." That's about as specific as it gets. :P

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say on specific aspects of Enthusia's physics model, but I don't think it has to be discussed in PMs -- I'd rather allow others to chip in if they so wish. This thread would be perfect.

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Anyway, yes, this thread has gone off-topic for long enough...

I just discovered that you can look at screenshots of the game's car selection at the official website -- http://www.evolutiongt.com/

It's mostly GM, VAG, and Mercedes-Benz, with a few other Euro favorites thrown in....not exactly mouth-watering, IMO. :indiff:
 
Wolfe2x7
I'm not being defensive (though I can see where you could interpret that from my post :scared: ) -- you're just not being specific. :lol: I also checked for any threads where you've discussed Enthusia's physics, and it's all the same -- "Take a FWD out in Enthusia, and tell me how accurate the physics are... I have driven many FWD's and they do not act in any way shape or form as they do in Enthusia..." That's about as specific as it gets. :P

I'm interested in hearing what you have to say on specific aspects of Enthusia's physics model, but I don't think it has to be discussed in PMs -- I'd rather allow others to chip in if they so wish. This thread would be perfect.
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You obviously haven't checked enough... PM sent... That thread has only served to give Enthusia and GT4 fanboys a place to rant about their favorite game, usually speaking nothing of the TRUE merits of each game, and always very biased... I am neither a GT4, nor Enthusia fanboy... Neither game is realistic...

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Hmmmm... Those models don't look as good as I was hoping... Definitely not the best list of cars either... I'll probably buy it anyway... I seem to buy every racing game... :indiff:





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Delphic Reason
You obviously haven't checked enough... PM sent... That thread has only served to give Enthusia and GT4 fanboys a place to rant about their favorite game, usually speaking nothing of the TRUE merits of each game, and always very biased... I am neither a GT4, nor Enthusia fanboy... Neither game is realistic...
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Oh, so just because you don't agree with what was said, it's all nothing but false, biased rantings...? :rolleyes:

As if your glowing review of TRD3 is any different from what was said about any other game in this thread, or that one. :P
 
Wolfe2x7
Oh, so just because you don't agree with what was said, it's all nothing but false, biased rantings...? :rolleyes:

As if your glowing review of TRD3 is any different from what was said about any other game in this thread, or that one. :P
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Glowing review?... I actually have quite a few problems with Toca3... It's the FWD physics that are closer to reality than anything else I have tried... I don't believe the aforementioned rantings to be biased because of my personal feelings about either game... I don't have such strong views on either game... I enjoy parts of a lot of different racing games... GT4 has it's merits, as does Enthusia, Toca, LFS, GTR, etc... The GT4 Vs. Enthusia thread is designed to be a place for people to rant about their favorite game... That's not news... There has been some insight in that thread, but it was pages and pages ago... It just keeps on going with no new insight of any kind, much like many such threads... They serve their purpose for a while, and then completely change until people lose interest in the discussion... The nature of forums... This is what is happenning to said thread... Hence, why I am no longer interested in it...

I have read your PM, and while some of it is accurate, most of it is either completely in right field (mostly because of missunderstanding), or just a missunderstanding of real life physics... I will answer your PM tomorrow morning, although your statements are obviously Enthusia biased, which is a pet peave of mine... Fanboyism just doesn't make sense to me... Nothing is THAT good...





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Delphic Reason
I have read your PM, and while some of it is accurate, most of it is either completely in right field (mostly because of missunderstanding), or just a missunderstanding of real life physics... I will answer your PM tomorrow morning, although your statements are obviously Enthusia biased, which is a pet peave of mine... Fanboyism just doesn't make sense to me... Nothing is THAT good...

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I anticipate your response. I think you underestimate me.

I also sense a recurring theme of exaggeration and overreaction from you...apparently, anyone who has anything positive to say about a game is an illogical, ranting, ignorant fanboy. Except for you. :lol:
 
Wolfe2x7
I anticipate your response. I think you underestimate me.

I also sense a recurring theme of exaggeration and overreaction from you...apparently, anyone who has anything positive to say about a game is an illogical, ranting, ignorant fanboy. Except for you. :lol:
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LOL... No, just those that overexaggerate things... Saying something good about a game is always welcome... It's overexaggerating things about a game that is frustrating... If you don't think there are a lot of fanboys on this forum (regarding numerous games) then you're blind... This is the case with any forum... It is the nature of video games... When someone gets into something a lot of times they think it's the best thing since sliced bread, and thus, tend to be a bit blinded by their excitement...

Now, for the last time... Just answer the PM, and stop posting about it in this thread... I thought the last message would have given you that hint...

Back on the topic at hand...

I came across an interesting little interview regarding Evolution GT (you mean this isn't an EPR thread?:P )...

http://www.totalvideogames.com/arti...G_Chats_T..._Feature_9357_5269_0_0_0_0_20.htm

Looks promising, but then again, you never know...




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alot of racing games claim to have super realistic physics and then dissapoint. alot of racing games have had reputable names backing them and still dissapoint :P. so i guess we just have to wait for the game to come out to see if its any good.
 
Unfortunately, most racing/driving games fail to reach the top in all aspects of the game. Once a developer does this, maybe on the next-gen platforms, we can all stop complaining. For some reason, I doubt that will be achieved for quite some time, although it should be attainable even now, for the most part.

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
Evolution GT PC demo

Please let us know if you ever see the PS2 version show up on a demo disc.

"REQUIREMENTS
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS: Operating System Windows XP/2000 - CPU Intel Pentium III 800 MHz (RECOMMENDED Pentium IV 2.0 Ghz or equivalent) - Video Card 3D DirectX 9.0c compatible with at least 64 MB of Ram (RECOMMENDED 128 Mb) - Sound Card DirectX 9.0c compatible Sound Card – Ram 256 Mb (RECOMMENDED 512 Mb) - CD-ROM drive Required – Free Disk Space 400 Mb - Windows Media Player 9."

Cheers,

MasterGT
 

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