F1 and NASCAR

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It seems that there has been a lot of talk about F1 and the exodise of Montoya to NASCAR.He did pretty well a few years ago when he and Jeff Gordon swapped rides for a day.He didn't break any records and if I remember correctly,he would have been a mid pack driver.So what is his reason for the switch? Is he tired of the lack of a level playing field? Maybe the politics within a team were it seems that one driver gets all the best and the second one seems to make due with lesser stuff.How much of a pay cut dose this mean?Everything points to the fact that coming over to NASCAR is a major cut in every aspect (except the fan base) yet here he comes.What do you think?
 
There's more on the Montoya switch over here.

Given Montoya's lack of exposure to the car when he tested Jeff Gordon's Chevy, he did very well to get within a second of Gordon's benchmark time. I think that the days of any driver coming into a top-line series and winning immediately are now passed. But give him half a season and he'll be in the top 15 regularly, is my guess.
 
I confident that he'll do well. one thing I wonder though is how will he be classified? I'm not Quite sure Rookies in their Early Thirties exist.
 
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I confident that he'll do well. one thing I wonder though is how will he be classified? I'm not Quite sure Rookies in their Early Thirties exist.
They exist. A rookie is anyone competing in their 1st season in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series, Champ Car World Series/IndyCar Series, F1, etc.
 
Yeah, JPM will have that embarassing yellow stripe across his bumper, just like every other Cup rookie :lol:
 
why do so many people like nascar?
seriously, i would rather watch ants walk across my driveway than watch nascar.
WOOPDIE DOOOO watching cars go around in circles for hours, so cool!
sike!

the F1 side:
F1 i think is the coolest motorsport on earth.
Taking corners at ear spliting speeds and pulling some fierce G's...
just seems a bit more interesting.
 
Well, your comment for one is a reason. People who like it would laugh at your comment because part of it shows you have no knowledge of the sport at all.

1st: The series runs on Ovals, not circles. There's also 2 little tracks known as road courses they run on.
2nd: It's NOT the course that makes the race interesting. It's the strategy behind it.
 
240^drift
why do so many people like nascar?
seriously, i would rather watch ants walk across my driveway than watch nascar.
WOOPDIE DOOOO watching cars go around in circles for hours, so cool!
sike!

the F1 side:
F1 i think is the coolest motorsport on earth.
Taking corners at ear spliting speeds and pulling some fierce G's...
just seems a bit more interesting.

Come back and discuss this when you actually have some appreciation of what is required to race in each discipline. Because at the current time, it seems that you have no idea at all.
 
Ok, sorry for calling the track circles rather than ovals.

But please explain how they use strat, when im watching nascar on the speed channel they are talking about the right fuel mixture, to lean or w/e.
or maybe the suspension is to precise.

Sorry for being such an arse, i just dislike nascar thats all.
 
Well, you're willing to learn, so I wouldn't consider you an arse.

There are various strategies used in stock car racing. Although most races are run on an oval, not all ovals are the same. They all vary in length, width, shape, degree of banking, pit lane length, etc. This means the car's setup and fuel/pit strategy play a huge role. Does your car oversteer or understeer too much? You will get passed. Also, cautions play a huge role in strategies. The right decisions mean a trip to the winner's circle. Enough good decisions and you'll have a championship.

Also, every race is crucial. If a driver drops out of the race too early, there are huge implications in points. A driver can easily slip back many spots if he doesn't score points. In Formula 1, if Fernando Alonso fails to score in Germany, he will still lead the championship even if Michael wins the race. In ALMS, if Dindo Capello and Allan McNish fail to score points at Portland, they will still lead the championship even if Weaver and Leitzinger win the race.

Try watching a race. Pick a favorite driver(s) and car(s). It makes it more exciting when you're actually going for someone.
 
At 240^Drift:

Americans like NASCAR as it is a truely American sport. Just like Baseball and American Football, NASCAR is as American as apple pie and rock and roll.

I have mentioned this many times, but untill you have seen a NASCAR event in person (that includes Saturday Night Specials at the local raceway), you cannot mock the sport, as you have no idea how much fun it is to watch.

Granted, it might not be as "kool" as kids "drifting" in their 240SX's and RX-7s, and it might not be as technologically as advanced as F1, but NASCAR has proven itself to be a compeditive sport year after year, and it not only brings the same fans back every season, but creates millions year after year as well.

I in particular like NASCAR because it is part of my family's history. My Grandfather used to race a '56 Chevrolet Bel Air at the local dirt track back in the late 1950s and early 1960s, and my Dad was a photographer for a Midwest-based NASCAR magazine. My Mother was friends with NEXTEL Cup drivers such as Mark Martin and Rusty Wallace back when they used to race in the Midwest, and I myself have had the pleasure of not only meeting some of the drivers, but visiting their homes as well.

NASCAR is part of America, so if you don't like it, too bad. I think drifting is just about one of the dumbest motorsports ever, but I've seen it in person and I have seen it on television, and because I've had some experience with it I would say that I have a valid opinion against the sport. You however do not in your assumptions against NASCAR...

BTW: It isn't even fair to compare NASCAR to F1 in most circumstances, as they are completely different sports. Yes, they are the biggest forms of motorsport on their respective sides of the atlantic, but just because F1 can turn left and right doesn't automatically make it a better sport because of it.

I watch F1 whenever possible here, and I do quite enjoy it. However, it isn't nearly as exciting as NASCAR to me.

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You also mentioned something about the "strategy" of NASCAR, and for the most part, it is all going to depend on the track, the driver and the team.

Most of what you are going to have to worry about is the tire pressure and the wedge, and depending on the track, the ammount of spring rubber in the suspension as well. In NASCAR you cannot change the fuel mixture, as I belive it is all pre-set in the rules for the 348ci V8. As for the suspension settings, those are usually adjusted throughout the race for most drivers, as it allows them to dial-in the suspension for the given heat, track conditions, and even the ammount of sunlight (yes, sounds funny, doesn't it?) on the car.

If you watch this Sunday's race at Pocono you could probably learn a few things about the suspension setups and tire pressures, as it is one of the few wonky tracks on the NEXTEL Cup circuit, and generally requires a lot of adjusting for most drivers to get just right.
 
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I confident that he'll do well. one thing I wonder though is how will he be classified? I'm not Quite sure Rookies in their Early Thirties exist.

Greg Biffle was 34 when he started his rookie year in the Cup Series.
 
i think JPM made a mistake going to NASCAR......thats wat i think, but again, it was his choice
 
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. one thing I wonder though is how will he be classified? I'm not Quite sure Rookies in their Early Thirties exist.

Yes, if its your first year in any of the leagues in Nascar you're a rookie with the yellow stripe on the back of your car.

I believe John Andretti is a somewhere in his 40's and is a Rookie in the Busch series.
 
Wow guys, thanks for giving me all the info.
I didnt really understand the sport buy watching it, i didnt see all the points and strat that went into it.
Sorry again for saying such awful things about the sport.
Lets keep talking about the Nascar, its interesting.
 
👍 to all of you for having the understanding that not all of us have the love of ALL forms of racing.I will watch any form of racing.From grass roots to the big time.
Next year will be interesting in NASCAR with Toyota coming in and the use of the NEW car.This just might be the time to jump over to NASCAR.
 
I'm not sure, but they do have the ability to hit 220Mph (the main reason why restrictor plates are on at Talladega).

Anyways, I apologize for my comment earlier if it was offence.:indiff:
 
240^drift
what are the average amount of HP in nascars?

Depending on what series, make, and team you are talking about in most cases they make between 600-800 BHP on a good day. Top speed that I know of was 234 MPH set by Rusty Wallace at Talladega, running his old Challenger sans restrictor plate. Thusly, in theory they could have races at 240 MPH, but it would be far too dangerous.

Before then, I belive the fastest "offical" speed driven in a NASCAR was done by Bill Eliot at Talladega back in the early '80s in his Thunderbird, and that was 212 MPH. Keep in mind, that was a Thunderbird, a brick of a car....
 
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They exist. A rookie is anyone competing in their 1st season in the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series, Champ Car World Series/IndyCar Series, F1, etc.
Oh, I didn't know,thanks for informing me (along with Red70Mach1 and xXSilencerXx). I've seen usually rookies at about 20 years old or younger.
 
They could.

I think they should at least once. $50 says the increase in the sport would grow. But only when the cars become safer.
 
Did they ever offically find out what the top-speed is on an F1 car? I herd Toyota ran a test at Boneville not too long ago and only hit 230-ish MPH, dissapointing if a NASCAR stock-car can do the same thing...
 
D*mn...maybe it is a good thing they run on circuits. YSSMAN, any idea on what the Nascars run on Indy and the F1's top speed?
 
*McLaren*
D*mn...maybe it is a good thing they run on circuits. YSSMAN, any idea on what the Nascars run on Indy and the F1's top speed?

From what I understand, the qualifying speed record at Indy was set by Casey Mears two years ago in his Target Dodge Challenger at about 187 MPH. The record set by an IRL car was 236 MPH at Indy, but I'm not sure what F1 does given that they run the infield and not the full loop.
 
YSSMAN
Did they ever offically find out what the top-speed is on an F1 car? I herd Toyota ran a test at Boneville not too long ago and only hit 230-ish MPH, dissapointing if a NASCAR stock-car can do the same thing...
F1 cars are not designed to go at that sort of speed, though. F1 cars have massive wings, and have loads of aerodynamic devices that add a huge amount of drag to the cars.

Take a NASCAR around Catalunya, and see how much slower it is than an F1 car. As everyone has been saying, they’re apples and oranges. You cannot compare them when they are designed to do completely different things.
 
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