F1 TV coverage threadFormula 1 

Alex.
So I take it it's been posted that the commentary will be shared?
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Not sure if its been posted or not, but I did read it on the James Allen website. Would make sense on a cost and consistency basis. Next thing now will be where the presenting is done from, either a studio or the actual venue. With sky I would imagine a studio and with the BBC I expect from the venue so the hierarchy can have an all expenses paid jolly.
 
Moot
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012t3y3/Formula_1_2011_The_German_Grand_Prix/

You can watch them in full on iplayer, just not live. (without a TV license)

There is perhaps an irony that those who do not pay a TV license fee in the UK will be able to watch the whole 100% F1 season races in full* on iplayer.

*If the proposed non live races are complete but deferred rather than highlights, which has not been finalised as of yet.
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Nice try, but like Match of the Day, the deferred races will not be shown on iPlayer as BBC does not have full rights for those races. So you will still have to pay your TV license to view them. I'm more concerned about the practices to be honest, losing all 3 practices is a pretty big deal for me because you can clearly see they cater for the hardcore fans, but in quali/race it gets dumbed down for the casual fans somewhat.

I'm wondering what Sky's take on it will be like, but i'm going to bet unless they headhunt half the BBC's team (Must Include Martin Brundle and Ted Kravitz) they're in my opinion not going to be as good. If they did some sort of tie up with Autosport instead that would be rather good.

It does strike me though that at £18million the BBC have got a pretty terrible deal. Worse value for money for the license payer for sure. Hopefully this is just for the contract they had for 2012, hopefully beyond that they got a better deal. But honestly, reading the head of F1 production's blog, he's probably been taken in by it, half the money for half the races, but you're losing practice, qualy and the rights to show online content, what an idiot.
 
If the deferred races will be shown in full on the bbc on the sunday, then I can live without sky. I don't think it will work out that way though, as I think it will be a very costly move for sky.

As for Government intervention? They didn't blink at the prospect of the British Grand Prix completely disappearing off the calendar so I wouldn't rely on those idiots to do anything about it... Hell, maybe the mp's who are F1 fans will just put their sky subscription's on expenses.
 
The government didn't do anything when there was a major possibility of the British grand prix disappearing. I wouldn't hold my breath on it making it into the crown jewels of televised sporting events.
 
dhandes
The government didn't do anything when there was a major possibility of the British grand prix disappearing. I wouldn't hold my breath on it making it into the crown jewels of televised sporting events.
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Welcome to what I said four minutes before you. You must type really slow :sly:
 
I just read this, didn't know Channel 4 had been involved...

Mail Online
Sky’s experience in broadcasting was instrumental in Ecclestone choosing them over Channel Four, despite them offering the same money for the rights.
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Jeez thanks Bernie :ouch:, I guess in your house you don't notice that Sky costs money!

Plus its not like Channel 4 doesn't have good broadcasting experience, they do a decent job with Horse Racing... how different can F1 be :sly:

Also I can't believe the BBC did this primarily to not sacrifice full coverage of Wimbledon, its only on 2 weeks and the first week doesnt really need to be shown live on 3 channels all day!
 
/\ of course... the decision to go for Sky has nothing to do with the fact that Murdoch's empire has publically stated that it wants F1... lock, stock, the lot. Giving Ernie a nice little retirement present at the end when his shares in Exor are sold.

If this does go through I'd expect F1 to plummet in the UK over the next decade, just as WRC went from Hero to Zero in the period 2000-2010 I'd expect F1 to be a bastion of diehard motorsports fans by the end with the current public showing little interest. Personally, I won't really bother with next season, as well as other sporting interests the BTCC remains free over on ITV4. Why pay for something you can get evenre of for free?

m0rris
 
Just read the F1 teams had no choice but to accept the deal as the concorde agreement they have only forbids exclusive TV rights to pay TV.

With BBC accepting 50% rights the move was within agreement. All BBC had to do was not accept partial rights and SKY could never take the TV rights to F1. This would have allowed the free to air channels to bid for the rights at an affordable value. BBC could have got exclusive rights for what they are paying for 50% in my view as only ITV and CH4 could compete with them.
It seems the BBC didn't know what power they had in regard to the F1 team agreement for free to air TV.

As a side note there is speculation of a big salary contract fro Brundle with Sky. Coulthard and Jordan have an extra year contract with the BBC.
 
Robin.
I just read this, didn't know Channel 4 had been involved...



Jeez thanks Bernie :ouch:, I guess in your house you don't notice that Sky costs money!

Plus its not like Channel 4 doesn't have good broadcasting experience, they do a decent job with Horse Racing... how different can F1 be :sly:
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Link? If this is true that is seriously worrying because for the same money we could have got it on free to air TV.

Moot
Just read the F1 teams had no choice but to accept the deal as the concorde agreement they have only forbids exclusive TV rights to pay TV.

With BBC accepting 50% rights the move was within agreement. All BBC had to do was not accept partial rights and SKY could never take the TV rights to F1. This would have allowed the free to air channels to bid for the rights at an affordable value. BBC could have got exclusive rights for what they are paying for 50% in my view as only ITV and CH4 could compete with them.
It seems the BBC didn't know what power they had in regard to the F1 team agreement for free to air TV.

As a side note there is speculation of a big salary contract fro Brundle with Sky. Coulthard and Jordan have an extra year contract with the BBC.
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So the BBC signed away our sport by doing the deal with Sky. If the news that Mark Thompson met with Sky executives at the British GP is true, then that suggests some deals happened behind closed doors, maybe they (Sky) slipped a check in the Director Generals pocket by mistake. As I said previously in this thread, the new deal for the BBC is horrible value for money for the license payer, there must have been some dodgy dealing somewhere.

The worst thing is, I actually have no means of watching the full season next year. I'm not elligable to receive Sky because I will be living in halls and therefore am not allowed to install a satellite dish. So even if I could afford it, there is nothing I can do about it.

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I'm considering signing up to Sky, but only if it's =<£25 a month to watch the F1 (Which I think it a fair amount as opposed to £40+). There is a Sky Go monthly pass which they are introducing in August (Online only, non-subscription based service, perfect for a student), so I just tried to email them with a question about what it will cost and whether I can subscribe to the Sports channels only or more specifically, Motorsport/F1 only. But apparently you need to be an existing customer to email them :confused: A potential customer has a query about your future services and you deny him the ability to do that without paying for a premium rate phone line?
 
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Seismica
So the BBC signed away our sport by doing the deal with Sky. If the news that Mark Thompson met with Sky executives at the British GP is true, then that suggests some deals happened behind closed doors, maybe they (Sky) slipped a check in the Director Generals pocket by mistake. As I said previously in this thread, the new deal for the BBC is horrible value for money for the license payer, there must have been some dodgy dealing somewhere.
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I'm sorry, your theory is that somebody is obviously corrupt simply because they did a deal that you don't think is good value for money?

That's ridiculous.
 
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I'm sorry, your theory is that somebody is obviously corrupt simply because they did a deal that you don't think is good value for money?

That's ridiculous.
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Maybe the bribe was a bit far-fetched, but it's still awful value for money and it says to me that Mark Thompson has been had (Though I think the meeting was probably a goodwill gesture relating to deal agreement, I think Mark Thompson probably had little to do with negotiation). This deal until 2018 is going to cost the license payer more than if they just finished off the contract for next year and then left it for another broadcaster to pick up.
 
Robin.
Here's the link to that quote (down the bottom of the article)... Yeah it does suck that we could have had free to air!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo.../BBC-sacrifice-F1-Sky-bid-save-Wimbledon.html

Robin.
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The Mail is not the most reliable source in the world, but i'm sure Channel 4 were offering figures in the same ball park as Sky at least. Maybe the BBC were only offering to front their part of the money with Sky as a partner, maybe Channel 4 were only offering the amount Sky offered with no BBC partnership, hence the decision.

Still, I feel it is a very poor decision by FOM considering the relatively small financial gain compared to the impact on the fans, not just in the UK, but worldwide. Sky will be a lot more protective of their coverage so if you are getting the BBC feed now outside the UK, expect to pay (Or pay a greater amount if you are already paying) for full coverage in the future.

There will be a huge hike in people viewing illegal streams of the coverage. I myself like to stay legit, and I will cut back elsewhere to try and afford the monthly fees of Sky (Providing I don't have to subscribe for the months where there are no races) but with a limited income there is only so much I can do. F1 means too much to me to stop watching it completely.
 
Seismica
The Mail is not the most reliable source in the world, but i'm sure Channel 4 were offering figures in the same ball park as Sky at least. Maybe the BBC were only offering to front their part of the money with Sky as a partner, maybe Channel 4 were only offering the amount Sky offered with no BBC partnership, hence the decision.
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http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/55698.html

Both ITV and Channel 4 were in negotiations with Ecclestone about taking over the F1 rights and the F1 boss said that, if necessary, he would have asked Channel 5 if it wanted to make a bid. However, all of these stations are direct terrestrial rivals to the BBC whereas BSkyB is the main player in the pay-per-view arena. It explains why, according to Ecclestone, "the BBC brought Sky to us with the idea of a joint contract." Likewise, when asked whether he felt it was a shame that a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said "it was not us who made that decision.
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Then you have the BBC paying £22m for talent shows to compete with ITV... I thought money was short and cost cutting measures needed to be taken?
 
Seismica
The Mail is not the most reliable source in the world,
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Well The Mail didn't make it up and I wouldn't have quoted it without checking.... as F1GTR has just posted to further confirm.

In any case free to air vs pay tv is a no brainer, and we would have likely got it on 4HD :grumpy:

F!GTR
Then you have the BBC paying £22m for talent shows to compete with ITV... I thought money was short and cost cutting measures needed to be taken?
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The BBC tend to always over do it on a handful of things rather than spreading the spending out, like they drop a ton of money into Top Gear (really way more than is needed), Wimbledon, Strictly Come Dancing etc... then there's nothing left for anything else. Seriously the amount of air time the BBC gives Wimbledon is ludicrous.

Robin.
 
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Robin.
In any case free to air vs pay tv is a no brainer, and we would have likely got it on 4HD :grumpy:
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But on channel 4, you would be guaranteed adverts. Also, I imagine the production would be really cheap and they would hire someone annoying who doesn't know anything about the sport at all.
 
F1 fan
But on channel 4, you would be guaranteed adverts. Also, I imagine the production would be really cheap and they would hire someone annoying who doesn't know anything about the sport at all.
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Yeah but is there a guarantee Sky will show it totally uninterrupted?, knowing Sky probably not! so its just as bad.

As for hiring people I could see them at least hiring Martin Bundle so all wouldn't be lost!
 
Robin.
Yeah but is there a guarantee Sky will show it totally uninterrupted?, knowing SKY probably not! so its just as bad.

As for hiring people I could see them at least hiring Martin Bundle so all wouldn't be lost!
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There's no guarantee, but I reckon it would be ad-free for the race - if they can do it on Sky Movies, they can do it on Sky Sports...

As for the BBC selling out - while I'm disappointed that they have, it is pretty clear that the new deal is alot better than the alternative - for the BBC to drop F1 completely and for Sky to take exclusive rights. I think this will ultimately happen anyway - but atleast the BBC will get reasonably good coverage for the next few years - that's assuming they don't sell out again, and of course, there's no guarantee of that either.
 
Touring Mars
As for the BBC selling out - while I'm disappointed that they have, it is pretty clear that the new deal is alot better than the alternative - for the BBC to drop F1 completely and for Sky to take exclusive rights.
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The concorde agreement would mean that would not happen it has to be at least partly free to air.
 
I guess the one positive outcome of this is that some F1 races will be free to air. If BBC were to drop F1, Sky would buy it completely and we wouldn't be able to watch any races or catchups for free.
 
haitch40
The concorde agreement would mean that would not happen it has to be at least partly free to air.
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Is that requirement for just Europe or the whole world?, because many countries don't have any free F1 coverage.
 

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