F2007 too easy to drive?

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Is it me, or is the F2007 too easy to drive? I play with all driver aids off with driving physics on "Professional", and I just tried a 30 lap arcade race (does that make any difference?) with the AI set to 101 and won by 35.5 seconds on the Suzuka circuit. Yes you can spin it in first, second and third of you don't feather the throttle at some places, but it's the easiest car to drive in GT5P in my opinion.

What are your thoughts?

PS: And it's not even with a wheel! It's with the Dualshock 3 controller.

EDIT: And it's of course on Racing S3 tires - I would think that Sport S3 would make it alot harder of course.
 
osg
........now try it with a wheel.
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I've always played it with a wheel - in GT4 all I did was lap the Nurburg Ring with the CLK Mercedes DTM car with GT Pro Wheel - I've always been better with a wheel than with a controller. I just haven't bought a G25 yet - but will do soon.
 
I use a wheel, G25. And I find this care to be the easier one to drive.
No track controls,
No ABS...
In other cars once you make a mistake you really hurt your time, In this care you will hurt your time, but you can quickly get back to the position.

In real life it would be hardest car because of the G forces on your body.
Game does not have G forces, only a meter shows you.. so you dont feel it and making it the easiest car to be in.
 
NoxNoctis Umbra
I use a wheel, G25. And I find this care to be the easier one to drive.
No track controls,
No ABS...
In other cars once you make a mistake you really hurt your time, In this care you will hurt your time, but you can quickly get back to the position.

In real life it would be hardest car because of the G forces on your body.
Game does not have G forces, only a meter shows you.. so you dont feel it and making it the easiest car to be in.
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Yes, I'm all aware of the G force strains on your body (and especially your neck) not being present in the game, but I just thought it would be harder to drive somehow - but hey, it's still a laugh.
 
peterakastorm
I've always played it with a wheel - in GT4 all I did was lap the Nurburg Ring with the CLK Mercedes DTM car with GT Pro Wheel - I've always been better with a wheel than with a controller. I just haven't bought a G25 yet - but will do soon.
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What is your force feedback set at???? 30 laps with FF set at 50% and your arms would be ready to drop off.

Places like Fuji, Suzuka, London and Daytona Road all have huge feedback, and are tiring.
 
osg
What is your force feedback set at???? 30 laps with FF set at 50% and your arms would be ready to drop off.

Places like Fuji, Suzuka, London and Daytona Road all have huge feedback, and are tiring.
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Well, as stated before, I don't use a wheel... you just pointed that out earlier too?
 
Its fairly easy to drive, but the hard parts are where to break...when to accelerate...when to turn in etc...
 
I agree totally: the F2007 seems much too easy to drive. In Suzuka it's a bit of a challenge because your travelling so fast around a tricky course, but on Fuji it's hard to go wrong. It really feels to me that PD stuck this car in as a high profile "bonus" without devoting too much time modelling the physics. It is still fun, however, but not $2m worth!

If you want a challenge try F1:CE.
 
I(GTP_Logitech) race on fuji online! Last night i was sorta racing GTP_hammer, however he had a lower PP than me, (i maxed out) so it was quite unfair.

I think the main reason the F1 car is so easy to drive is because of the enormous downforce, the faster you go the more downforce, hence you can take some corners flat out in the F1 car in 6th gear while in the road and sometimes even the GT car in 3rd gear.
 
The thing that strikes me as iffy is that in slow, tight corners there will be little to no downforce and that's where I'd expect it to handle be like a cat on a hot tin roof bu, instead, I found it one of the hardest cars in the game to cook. Never driven one in real life but I'd just assumed they'd be very wild on slow bends and hairpins.
 
on the slow tight corners, it is very easy to oversteer the car if you are aggressive on the throttle. the thing with the f1 car is traction control is only needed for slow corners below 130kmh(max downforce), anything above that and there is enough downforce to keep the rear tires glued.

for the 2008 f1 season, traction control was banned but this only affected the drivers on the slow tight corners where no downforce was available, i would expect the same from this game in replicating the results.
 
Biggles
I agree totally: the F2007 seems much too easy to drive. In Suzuka it's a bit of a challenge because your travelling so fast around a tricky course, but on Fuji it's hard to go wrong. It really feels to me that PD stuck this car in as a high profile "bonus" without devoting too much time modelling the physics. It is still fun, however, but not $2m worth!

If you want a challenge try F1:CE.
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Kazunori Yamauchi: The F2007 is currently I think the most precise simulation of an F1 car in existence, and I think it's something that everyone should try out. We've had to implement a lot of new physics into the game, and a lot of mechanisms that we had left out before that we had to add to simulate the car properly, and it's something we're looking forward to having everyone experience.
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kennethcho1337
I(GTP_Logitech) race on fuji online! Last night i was sorta racing GTP_hammer, however he had a lower PP than me, (i maxed out) so it was quite unfair.

I think the main reason the F1 car is so easy to drive is because of the enormous downforce, the faster you go the more downforce, hence you can take some corners flat out in the F1 car in 6th gear while in the road and sometimes even the GT car in 3rd gear.
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I remember you. ;)

I think the car is represented well and even if it's not, I sure do have fun diving it. We'll never know until one of us gets some seat time in a real one and I don't see that happening anytime real soon
 
MustakeSVT
I remember you. ;)

I think the car is represented well and even if it's not, I sure do have fun diving it. We'll never know until one of us gets some seat time in a real one and I don't see that happening anytime real soon
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Well let's take Richard Hammonds attempt in the Renault F1 car from top gear a while back, if he went to slowly the car had no heat in the tires and brakes making it impossible to drive. I find if you do go slowly in this car it is harder to use then going fast. So maybe it is to easy, but without G force and no fear factor, it would be.
 
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Kazunori Yamauchi: The F2007 is currently I think the most precise simulation of an F1 car in existence, and I think it's something that everyone should try out. We've had to implement a lot of new physics into the game, and a lot of mechanisms that we had left out before that we had to add to simulate the car properly, and it's something we're looking forward to having everyone experience.
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Just because Kazunori-san :bowdown: says it, does not automatically make it true. ;)
 
Dragonistic
Well let's take Richard Hammonds attempt in the Renault F1 car from top gear a while back, if he went to slowly the car had no heat in the tires and brakes making it impossible to drive. I find if you do go slowly in this car it is harder to use then going fast. So maybe it is to easy, but without G force and no fear factor, it would be.
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I think your getting onto something there. Also, IMO, i think its more the fact of what GT5P doesnt incorporate. Tire Wear, Tire Temps, Brake Temps etc. Richard Hammond couldnt get up to speed fast enough to get the temps right and drive the car properly. Much like the Monaco F1 race yesterday, in the cold, they were everywhere. But in GT5P, you dont have to worry about those things at all, its like out of the gate your tires/brakes/everything is at the optimum temp and remains that way during the course of the drive. And based on what some of those renault guys were saying in the richard hammond video, your best to drive the car either on the Accel or on the Brake, no dithering in between, either on or off. And when you put that into practice on GT5P, its easily the fastest way to drive the car and provide the best lap time.

Im not saying its perfect, not at all, just that the part in GT5P that you drive with the F2007 is sort of taken out of context just due to areas that GT5P is lacking in when you would go racing in the real world.
 
Ya it's fun to whip it around for sure, I find the one thing that's too bad is that there is no damage system in place and bouncing it off things is a but unrealistic. But still a blast.

The really need to allow for full adjustments on the car though in the final game, that would be good. 👍
 
My first impression is also like the OP. I tried the car for a few races online the first day I got the car and haven't done it again ever since.

But after giving it some thoughts and from watching it on TV, the F1 car does seem easy enough to drive in a way.

The car we would consider difficult to drive on GT would be something like Ford GT, F40, Lotus, etc. The reason is b/c,
1. Lift-off Oversteer.
2. Massive Understeer w/o trail braking.
3. Diffucult throttle control = power oversteer. (ie. F40 or Ford GT)

Non of these are major concern on the F1. So that's why it seems easy at first. I think what is difficult is how to be fast in it. Being right at the limit in the F1 car is not easy. Recovery is quite difficult. Being consistant at the limit is difficult. Also the car is very tiring to drive. (I set my FF = max.) I think the F1 car is a completely different driving experience. It is so much different from other cars in the game.

Driving it for real like Richard Hammond is another story. How would anyone can possibly adjust to that level of G-Force and Speed in such a short time. And also the effect of the aerodynamic to the car. Imagine telling yourself to go "faster" in order to clear the corner. And also the warming the tire, brakes, etc. I would be scared.
 
Zer0
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I really hope that is not what KY thinks about the F2007. I've only played a friend's copy, but even then, I can see the F2007 is not the most precise simulation car.

If you want a real F1 simulation, download the F1 2007 Mod for GTR2. It may be user created, but we've had professionals at RSC even confirm it covers the basics very well of a F1.
 
In LFS I've always complained that the BMW Sauber F1 in LFS is way too easy to drive compared to what I see from those Top Gear episodes.

Part of the problem is that these cars are designed to stick to the road at high speeds. Which may make them seem easy to drive especially when you remove the nagging details like tire temperature brake temperature and G-forces.
 
Biggles
Just because Kazunori-san :bowdown: says it, does not automatically make it true. ;)
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As true as it does not automatically make false. :P

*McLaren*
I really hope that is not what KY thinks about the F2007. I've only played a friend's copy, but even then, I can see the F2007 is not the most precise simulation car.

If you want a real F1 simulation, download the F1 2007 Mod for GTR2. It may be user created, but we've had professionals at RSC even confirm it covers the basics very well of a F1.
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How many pros at RSC have driven an F2007? may be the most advanced car in the world besides the F2008. And what's the opinion of these pros about the Prologue's F2007?

The basics of an F1 can be spoted even in a fast go kart, that means nothing.
 
The F2007 is not well simulated, at all. I don't think PD understand aerodynamics at all :/
For instance, at full downforce the car can reach 219mph! LOL! So wrong. Oh and the car has 687BHP according to the game, that is also wrong. The 2006 F1 car had 785BHP and this is probably similar to what the 2007 car had (rev limit reduction in 2007).

Also, PD give NO suggestions in terms of what tyres to use to simulate it. This brings me to the conclusion that it's a bonus car, and nothing more.

If you want a PROPER simulation, try the BMW Sauber F1.07 for rFactor (BMW approved). It not only looks better than the GT5P one it handles and SOUNDS far better. Much closer to real life.
 
Zer0
How many pros at RSC have driven an F2007? may be the most advanced car in the world besides the F2008. And what's the opinion of these pros about the Prologue's F2007?

The basics of an F1 can be spoted even in a fast go kart, that means nothing.
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And how many times has KY driven a F2007? I'm betting never just because he drives a few nice cars.

Richard Hammond has already demonstrated the difficulty of trying to drive a Formula 1, and GT5:P just throws that out the window. The GTR2 mod, on the other hand, has reinforced that. Our pros there may have never driven a Formula 1 car, but they have driven race cars like the ACEMCO Saleens from ALMS, so they have a pretty good understanding of how a race car should drive.
 
*McLaren*
And how many times has KY driven a F2007? I'm betting never just because he drives a few nice cars.

Richard Hammond has already demonstrated the difficulty of trying to drive a Formula 1, and GT5:P just throws that out the window. The GTR2 mod, on the other hand, has reinforced that. Our pros there may have never driven a Formula 1 car, but they have driven race cars like the ACEMCO Saleens from ALMS, so they have a pretty good understanding of how a race car should drive.
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a race car and a formula car are on 2 different levels. ask any open wheel driver that. they goto a race car like the saleen and say the thing is heavy and a bitch to make turn. just by this statement we can conclude the if you drive a race car you dont know how a formula car drives and vice versa. and as for people saying the BMW version in rfactor is more close to life there is a huge diference between each company's car. look at the difference between the 3 major companys ferrari mclarren and renault. ferrari seems to have the best overall car, mclaren car seems to be lacking in mechanical grip and renaults current car.....well yea that just seems to suck. basicly comaparing all the formula cars to each other is like comparing a ferrai to a corvette to a porsche. they are all different. and as for this converstaion there is no right or wrong answer seeing as no one here has driven the F2007 but dont worry next time i see kimi or massa ill be sure to have them play GT5P and ask him how close they are :sly:
 

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