Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme Wheel

[RS60NR]

DD+ on PS5 pro

After some time spent mostly w GT7, FH5 & some F1, the FFB has definitely changed from 467, not in a good way

Some force related value or multiplier has changed. - suspension compression and release espescially is much more forceful and abrupt - when combine w steering input really feels off and harder to controll

Went back to 467 - and got stuck in an update loop. Back to 463 which fixed that and then up to 467 which is where I’m staying - my PVGT encoders and PBME buttons all work properly

 

[RS60NR]

Well next time I turned the base back on its stuck in update mode. Spent several hours trying various downgrade/upgrade steps. I can go back to 464 and earlier (2.4.X.x) or 468 and later (2.6.X.x) but NOT the 2.5.X.x FW I want - arrghh.

Something got set that wouldn’t let the update complete - but just for those versions so not somehting specifically failing on the HW just bad coding

The whole uninstall/reinstall/reboot/reflash is soooo tedious - would really love something that just handled FW directly - pick the version and install it

So stuck going forward - PBME finally fixed in 467 and PVGT broken in 468 then fixed in 474

 

[M Stark]

So stuck going forward - PBME finally fixed in 467 and PVGT broken in 468 then fixed in 474

Dang, that's a ride I wouldn't want to be a part of 😂

I'm relatively cosy staying on slightly older software, for now. My hopes on getting FF in GT7 anytime soon are slowly fizzing out :/

 

[super_gt]

Well next time I turned the base back on its stuck in update mode. Spent several hours trying various downgrade/upgrade steps. I can go back to 464 and earlier (2.4.X.x) or 468 and later (2.6.X.x) but NOT the 2.5.X.x FW I want - arrghh.

Something got set that wouldn’t let the update complete - but just for those versions so not somehting specifically failing on the HW just bad coding

The whole uninstall/reinstall/reboot/reflash is soooo tedious - would really love something that just handled FW directly - pick the version and install it

So stuck going forward - PBME finally fixed in 467 and PVGT broken in 468 then fixed in 474

I would contact Fanatec support, this change you are reporting to the FFB should not exist either.

 

[RS60NR]

I would contact Fanatec support, this change you are reporting to the FFB should not exist either.

I’ve posted this in the Driver 474 thread. FFB needs a look. I’ve found dialing back FOR to 80 seems to bring it back in GT7 to what I recall, so I can live w that for now. Whether that helps other game can’t yet say

As to support not sure what if anything they might do - the base can clearly take updates both back and forward so HW seems OK and this is the first time I’ve EVEN had an issue w FW changes on this base

Otherwise seems RMA is the solution from them? Don’t really want to send it back if its just a code problem w specific FW and they’ll just send it back w the latest FW which I already have installed

And not sure I want to invest the time working their TS process - if they PM me I can send them the diags etc but from reading the forum they seem to have a number of people already sending their base back w the same issue - stuck in update mode after a FW flash - and that’s a different fix from the FFB they changed. Whether they’d bother to fix older FW is unlikely

 

[RS60NR]

I’ve posted this in the Driver 474 thread. FFB needs a look. I’ve found dialing back FOR to 80 seems to bring it back in GT7 to what I recall, so I can live w that for now. Whether that helps other game can’t yet say

A bit more on this w the latest Monza event I noticed the high speed oscilation is noticeably back

The Jag XJR9 is pretty bad unless I turn FOR down to 60 to mostly calm it - but too low for most uses so 70-80 is OK but not the total solution to whatever Fanatec did w 474

 

[M Stark]

A bit more on this w the latest Monza event I noticed the high speed oscilation is noticeably back

The Jag XJR9 is pretty bad unless I turn FOR down to 60 to mostly calm it - but too low for most uses so 70-80 is OK but not the total solution to whatever Fanatec did w 474

Has Fanatec acknowledged a difference or issue in FFB with 474?

 

[RS60NR]

Has Fanatec acknowledged a difference or issue in FFB with 474?

No - only comment was that they did not intend to make any changes w that version. So too soon to tell if they have determined the difference

Whether the change came in 468 which is the first of the 2.6.X.x family can't say. That version broke the Porsche Vision GT rim encoders so I backed out if it and didn't run it enough to see

474 included that fix which I installed and verified the fix - that what's running now. There have been a few other comments about FFB changes but people may not notice right away depending on settings and sim used

 

[M Stark]

No - only comment was that they did not intend to make any changes w that version. So too soon to tell if they have determined the difference

Whether the change came in 468 which is the first of the 2.6.X.x family can't say. That version broke the Porsche Vision GT rim encoders so I backed out if it and didn't run it enough to see

474 included that fix which I installed and verified the fix - that what's running now. There have been a few other comments about FFB changes but people may not notice right away depending on settings and sim used

I'm sure Fanatec's software engineers are doing their best but in the end of the day I hope Corsair realizes despite their best efforts, this is just not enough. This is a very poor experience even for unreleased/not final software.

 

[RS60NR]

I'm sure Fanatec's software engineers are doing their best but in the end of the day I hope Corsair realizes despite their best efforts, this is just not enough. This is a very poor experience even for unreleased/not final software.

They certainly face challenges - a major Fanatec selling point has been eco system. They are supporting and deploying software & firmware across 3 generations of wheel base tech (belt drive, dd gen 1 & 2) plus a bunch of wheels using 3 differnet FW architectures for 3 different platforms, so I sympathize - somewhat

But the SW base for developing and managing dates back 15 years (likely poorly documented) and during the transition they probably lost a number of experienced people w tribal knowledge. Their configuration management system seems not up to the task as new things break as others are fixed. Things are getting better I guess - the PVGT fix was quick to appear but other longstanding issues persist - some are dificult to isolate

Testing is still an issue so we users still get the call

Also a lot of time is going to this new all in one app so resources are still likely a challenge. And new products are rumored so more so

We’re a year or more away from any Fanatec software to be of final release quality IMO

As to Corsair have not seen much news - there is a new CEO so unclear to me how much of the strategy made by the former during the transition is still in play

As a long time Fanatec customer my advice to new users still stands:
1- try it FIRST out of the box BEFORE updating - if you are happy stick w it for a while to learn how it feels - latest is not always the best
2- read the forum comments and look for issues and fixes for your setup before updating
3- but do an update before the warranty runs out to make sure it can update - fortunately 2 years now

 

[The Crock]

Just curious, do users with the DD Extreme wheels still feel the canned under steer rattle GT7 puts in? Because it's ridiculously over-pronounced on the Podium F1 wheelbase and lowering the FEI mutes the feedback and I don't like it.

I lowered FEI to zero on my wheelbase just to test and it's still there so it's not even related to the FFB effects and truly canned. Really wish it could be turned off it's not even realistic.

 

[super_gt]

Just curious, do users with the DD Extreme wheels still feel the canned under steer rattle GT7 puts in?

Yes.