Fast and the Furious 2 Cars

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Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
yup thats the only way a Japanese car could beat a Saleen or any other american sports car for that matter.

Is that right? I killed an SVT on this road the other day in my R34, cocky americans... haha, I have a V8, look at me, your L6 got nothing! Idiot, I got the price of his car alone under the hood...
 
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ok i've briefly scrolled through this thread and couldn't find what i was looking for, hopefully someone can help. i just saw 2 fast 2 furious and my opinions of the movie are reserved for another thread but i would dearly like to know what the two main muscle cars in the movie were. they were easily the best cars in the film (followed closely by the skyline :D). one had "year one" on the number plate, dunno what either of them were but sounded glorious. and for those still not having seen it there are certainly more american cars in it than in the last movie. including a saleen mustang, viper, (corvette i think) and those two old ones.
 
ok sorry i think i got a bit ahead of myself there, i think i found them:
1969 Yenko Camaro
and a 1970 Dodge Charger hemi,
can anyone confirm/provide more of the car details?
 
I'd like to know where the fascination began with little japanese cars being made to look like airplanes. I mean, the ridiculous body kits, the stupid stickers, the 18" rims, the rear wings that look like they were made for a go-kart... Oh, and I can't forget the obnoxious kazoo sounding paint-bucket sized mufflers.

Does that stuff really seem cool? I just don't get it. 18" wheels on a car that has 100lb of torque if its lucky? Do people realize the increase of rotational mass an 18" aluminum wheel has compared to a 15"? It will slow you down, not make your car go faster.. and as far as handling goes, those vehicles don't have the performance which would necessitate such a wheel profile.

I've noticed some kids on here talking about a $80k Viper and how their $10k Civic plus $70k would beat the Viper. Well thats not exactly true, and besides, a $10k Civic plus $70k is still a frickin Civic.. and I sure wouldn't be looked at as a "cool" guy for pissin away that much money on a crap car to begin with.

Lets try something a little more realistic:

2003 Mustang GT vs 2003 Honda Civic

Mustang GT Coup $23,705 MSRP
Honda Civic Si $19,460 MSRP

We begin with a $4,245 difference in price. For the price difference, lets see if we can get the Civic up to par with the Mustang, which has a healthy 100hp & 190lb/ft torque lead.
The Mustang also comes with 17" 245/45ZR tires, and dual exhaust. They both have similar standard features, but if one were to go tit-for-tat, the Mustang would edge out the Civic. We'll just leave that part out and stick w/ performance specs.

To get the Civic's exhaust up to a decent system, we'll need about $1000 for parts and labor. No, fart tip exhaust doesn't count. $1000 is being on the cheap side too. Its still single exhaust (dual exhaust on an I4 is just stupid) and its only going to provide for about 10hp more power (and thats being extremely generous). This price includes all new exhaust from the header on back.

So now we have a kazoo sounding Honda Civic, and $3,245 left to tweak this bad boy out.

Now we really need to work on getting more power out of the engine. Lets do the most cost effective thing and add a supercharger.

For $3,000 Plus about $500 in labor you can get a Jackson Racing supercharger which will add 40% power to your engine's HP. This brings the Civic up to 224HP, plus the 10 from the exhaust, giving you a grand total of 234HP. Not bad.. but guess what? we're out of cash.

Lets assume we spent a week with our Civic laid up in the garage and put the blower in ourselves. We are still about $500 over budget and we still need some wheels to handle all this new power...

Lets get some moderately priced 17" alloys... $1000 for four.
Now we need some new tires.. lets go for some 245/ZR's.. we'll go cheap and spend about $600.

Well there you go.. We've spent over $2,000 more than the Mustang and we're probably still not going to beat it in a race. Furthermore, unless we add an intercooler to our supercharger, we'll probably wind up killing the engine and after adding the blower, it aint under warranty no more.

Now that the Mustang owner has about $2k to even up the cost difference, He'll add a $1,500 Vortech SQ trim charger, and a $500 intercooler, bringing his HP up to a conservative 375, and lets not get into torque #'s (most import racers insist torque means nothing anyway)... The V8 engine is much better at dissipating heat and could probably handle another 4psi of boost safely, but we don't need to go there...

General estimates for 1/4 mile times would put the Mustang in the 12's and the Civic in the 14's, high 13's if boost gets kicked up some more. Not really anywhere near close.

For both cars, increasing performance past this point requires alot more time and money to invest in the vehicle. If you do some research though, you'll see that generally the prices for performance parts are about 20-50% cheaper for the Mustang, and they generally also provide more power.

Its true though, the power-to-weight ratio on smaller import cars has the upper hand. The problem with this is as you increase the power of the vehicle, you have to replace more parts since most of them were never ment to handle any additional HP.

In the end though, you still wind up with a Civic and a Mustang... You have to decide what you like. A Civic that can beat any other stock import in its price range (noone has to know how much money you pizzed away).. or a throaty V8 Mustang that sounds as evil as it looks.

I know I'm inviting a host of die-hard import fanatics to point out how they can get part X on e-bay for half the cost, and that how part Y will give you an extra 500HP for only $10, but we all know its 8ull$hit and I probably won't be coming back to read this thread anyway... lol.. eat yer heart out.
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
I'd like to know where the fascination began with little japanese cars being made to look like airplanes. I mean, the ridiculous body kits, the stupid stickers, the 18" rims, the rear wings that look like they were made for a go-kart... Oh, and I can't forget the obnoxious kazoo sounding paint-bucket sized mufflers.

:odd: um let me see maybe the fast and the furious? This movie made alot of posers come out and do crap to their cars and I'm SICK AND ****ING TIRED OF TAKING CRAP FROM PEANUT BRAINED PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CAN'T TAKE A SECOND OUT OF THEIR PATHETIC LIVES TO SIT THERE AND THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE 90% OF CIVICS OUT THERE ARE RICED OUT THAT DOENS'T MEAN ALL OF THEM ARE CRAP....

Now you have me started on this subject because your too narow minded to figure things out for yourself, now I have to explain things to you. First of all Yes I do like Imports but I also like domestics so don't give me that "your just saying that cuz you like imports" crap.

Now not all imports have huge rims, stupid stickers, and huge wings..there are 3 types of cars....1 there are ricers who try to intimidate people by looking fast then trying to race people....2 the people who actually know what the hell they are doing and invest in performance parts and tastefull visual items and 3 the show cars who sure have the body kit and rims but don't go around trying to race people becasue they know it's a show car....

and you act like nobody has seen riced out mustangs...you see em almost as much as civics now...euro lights, airplane wings, vinyl graphics, hell Ive even seen a mustang with a GTR badge on it and japanese writing....

oh yeah real cool...NOTHING like those civics....:lol:
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Originally posted by Killr0y
Does that stuff really seem cool? I just don't get it. 18" wheels on a car that has 100lb of torque if its lucky? Do people realize the increase of rotational mass an 18" aluminum wheel has compared to a 15"? It will slow you down, not make your car go faster.. and as far as handling goes, those vehicles don't have the performance which would necessitate such a wheel profile.

You apparently dont have a girlfirend or talk to girls much or you would know that when it comes to car's 99.99% of girls/women would prefer a slow car that looks nice vs a fast one that looks like ****.

Also you say that the 15" rims have a lower rotational mass than the 18" rims but on your comparison below you decide to waste money putting rims with a greater rotational mass on the civic?

Originally posted by Killr0y
I've noticed some kids on here talking about a $80k Viper and how their $10k Civic plus $70k would beat the Viper. Well thats not exactly true, and besides, a $10k Civic plus $70k is still a frickin Civic.. and I sure wouldn't be looked at as a "cool" guy for pissin away that much money on a crap car to begin with.

:lol: by "some kids" you are referring to me

Now I love the viper and it is a great car but seriously: bull ****ing **** for 70,000 I could get a full tube chassis and put so many mod's on that car you would **** your pants.... for 70,000 I could build a full drag car and hand the viper it's own ass.....I'm not gonna argue with you since you seem to have already made up your mind and you don't really seem to understand what 70,000 can do....

the crap car comment is your own opinion so it doesn;t mean **** to anyone but you.....

sure you wouldnt be a cool guy for dunping all that money into your civic....untill you actually take it to the track then OMG look everyone and their grandmas will wan't to take you on....because you so "uncool" right?

Originally posted by Killr0y
Lets try something a little more realistic:
2003 Mustang GT vs 2003 Honda Civic

oh yeah real realistic....lets see...lets take a high performance car with a V8 from ford and compare it to the cheapest car honda makes and has a 4 cylinder...why not the S2000 buddy? you make yourself feel so much better knowing that your mustang can beat the cheapest import car....THATS something to be real proud of...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Killr0y
To get the Civic's exhaust up to a decent system, we'll need about $1000 for parts and labor. No, fart tip exhaust doesn't count. $1000 is being on the cheap side too. Its still single exhaust (dual exhaust on an I4 is just stupid) and its only going to provide for about 10hp more power (and thats being extremely generous). This price includes all new exhaust from the header on back.

oh wow you are dumb...lets see...lets pay 1000 dollars for an exhaust and pay someone to put it on for us becasue were to stupid to find a muffler shop that can weld the thing for 30 bucks....and what the hell muffler are you buying? You could buy a full HKS exhaust system for 600 bucks and HKS is one of if not the best tuner in the world....

Originally posted by Killr0y
Lets assume we spent a week with our Civic laid up in the garage and put the blower in ourselves. We are still about $500 over budget and we still need some wheels to handle all this new power...

wow you are slow...a whole week to put in a supercharger when you could put a turbo kit in yourself taking up 2 days max...actually I think the SC would take less time than the turbo...

and no we dont need new wheels...all we NEED are new tires...there you go wasting money...

Originally posted by Killr0y
The V8 engine is much better at dissipating heat and could probably handle another 4psi of boost safely, but we don't need to go there...

no **** sherlock...it also has four extra cylinders which is WHY it can handle another 4 psi....and that aint ****....ther are street legal nissan skylines running 50 psi of boost and putting out 1360 HP how may stangs can do that? also how many stangs have you seen that can run 8's on street tires? well lets see I haven heard of any...but there are skylines that do that....holy **** who would have thought that a "crappy" import could do such things....hell Vince a.k.a RazorGTR a member of these forums has a skyline GTR and it would kill your mustang and he only payed about 14,000 for his and all he has is an exhaust, re chipped ecu, and a bigger intercooler...WAY under your 23,000 mustang....and the skyline has an inline 6....but you don't care cause all imports are crappy...

Originally posted by Killr0y
or a throaty V8 Mustang that sounds as evil as it looks.

the way a car looks and sounds doesn't mean **** to anyone who really cars about cars...it's all performance...hell I could drive a ugly ass Geo metro and run 10's and people would apreciate it because of the performance...

Originally posted by Killr0y
I probably won't be coming back to read this thread anyway

good now I don't have to listen to your pathetic whining and lousy excuses :D while your at it why not leave GTP and give us all a break from your bull ****.
 
Look,

I don't want to give you the wrong idea. I personally drive a 13B RX7 Twin Turbo and think its pretty cool. I'm not an import basher. Lets go back to your argument for a second...

You claimed that the Viper is a rip-off. I go and compare THE most common import racer, the Honda Civic Si, to a comparably priced Mustang, and you get all bent out of shape because somehow its unfair. You then want me to compare a Honda S2000, a $33k car to a $23k Mustang GT, as if somehow THAT's fair. By the way, the Mustang GT is STILL faster (barely, yes).

How about a $33k Mustang SVT Cobra and a $33k S2000? Is THAT fair for you? No! Why? Because the Cobra is nearly 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile, and you can't accept that.

You go by the name Skyline GTR, yet THAT is a $65k car (At least the R32 is). Will it beat a Viper or the less expensive Corvette Z06? No! They don't even sell it in the U.S. anyway.

The two points (which were really unrelated) I was trying to make were:

1) Vipers, Ferrari's etc. are expensive, yes, but they were never designed to be japanese economy cars that people dump craploads of money into to make them go fast. So don't compare them to something you'd get at a used car lot for $10k. Fast & Furious played a tremendous disservice to Ferrari by stereotyping them as cars bought by people who have $$$ but know nothing about racing. People buy Vipers & Ferrari's because they are high quality born & bred sports cars. I can make a garbage can go 1000mph by giving it a jet engine, but its still just a garbage can.

2) I said I hated riced-out, annoyingly loud fart-sounding go-cart-lookalike japanese (& VW) econoboxes that have more $$ spent on the outside of the car than under the hood. This is about 80% of all imports that are "modded". The other 20% who are serious suffer because of all these idiots. You immediately took offence because either you are in the 80% or you took what I said as an attack on ALL imports.

Either way, give REAL sports cars some respect. Yes, I said REAL sports cars. A Skyline is NOT a sports car. its an econobox thats been given performance upgrades. a Mustang is a pony car (a type of inexpensive sports coup), not a sports car. A Corvette is a sports car, a Viper is a sports car, a Ferrari is a sports car. Comparing a modded japanese econobox to a Viper is like comparing a minivan to an SUV. Apples and Oranges. I hope you see where I am coming from.
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
Rather than quote you I'll just respond to the jist of your horrible argument. First off, I don't appreciate the name calling, but thats to be expected when dealing with some kid who reads crap on the internet and takes it as the word of God.

I'll start by taking YOUR comparison of a Honda S2000. Since we previously picked on "Honda's cheapest, slowest model", we'll see how their S2000 supercar is going to kick the poor old Mustang's ass all up and down the racetrack like you said. Since the S2000 starts at $33,000, we'll pick a comparably priced Mustang. Lets go with the SVT Cobra which is about $800 more expensive. Besides the Cobra looking better with its beefy profile and super-fat, low-profile, high-performance 275ZR tires, the car sounds like it wants to rip the S2000's throat out. Of course, you'll argue that sound/looks arent anything, bla bla bla.. and that looks are subjective and how you like the S2000 way more bla bla bla... Ok fine. I prefer the look of the Cobra, you can prefer the S2000.. Its a free world right?

I must say, I really do like the look of the S2000. And for the $800 difference in price, you can get one of those really cool go-kart spoilers and a paint can-sized muffler fart tip. Then I'll REALLY like the look of it, especially when its in my rear-view mirror almost 2 seconds behind me in the 1/4 mile.

Don't even start in with your Skyline GTR R32 or whatever either, since they cost almost as much as a Viper (and they don't sell them in a left-hand-drive configuration). Performance-wise, they are on par with the Cobra, but for the nearly $30k difference in price, you can spend $10k of that and crank out another 200HP out of the Cobra, pocket the other $20k and have a nice day. And the Cobra still looks better :P

You see,

The Cobra's 0-60 is 4.8 vs the S2000 which is 5.7. You had to flap your mouth about how the Viper is a $70k piece of junk because you can build a turbo jet rocket car for that price, therefore its a waste of money. Well take another look and see how many cars there are that have almost 400HP under the hood for under $35,000 (besides the Mustang).

The Viper is in a totally different class so try not to make stupid comparisons between it, and some "hot rodded" economy import. Looks like that movie Fast & the Furious went to your head. Whats next? Your skyline or whatever it is you have/want vs a Ferrari Enzo?

Let me tell you something. I've been inside of a Ferrari (not an Enzo, I wish) and we are talking about hand made parts of billet aluminum, carbon fiber, & leather like you couldn't imagine. Do they make dragsters that are faster? Yes. Do I really care? I don't think I need to answer that.. Hell, I don't think I needed to respond to you at all. I'm doing it out of the kindness of my heart. If I can help just one misguided individual understand that nipponese car model "X" isn't the end-all, most awesomest, unchallenged, unrivaled supercar, then I've made the world a better place for car enthusiasts. And just maybe they won't make 3Fast 4More Furious.

Just for your information, I drive a 13B Twin Turbo RX7, one of the finest Japanese production sports cars ever made. I still don't pretend it will smoke a Cobra, a Z06 Vette, or a Viper. Whatever mod I can do to my twin-rotor Wankel engine, those guys can do three-fold, and for probably half the price.

Try living outside of your little pent-up-aggression-teen world for once.

:odd: hondas "supercar" in the NSX not the S2000....

and speaking of stupid posts, if you had any common sense at all you would know that skylines DON'T cost that much. You just ignorantly assume that because MOTOREX chooses to sell them for large amount's of money that they are expensive. If you had take a mustang cobra to japan, crash test them, meet emissions standards, give them japanese VIN's, pay all the importation taxes, change the spedometer, odometer, crash sturucture, and change all labels to english etc. YOU would charge alot too...hell RazorGTR a member of GTP bought his skyline for 14,000.....and the skyline would cost less to fix up than your stang becasue for 20K you could make it have 800 HP and run 9's....the stock block which is a NISMO N1 block can handle over 1000 hp.....and incase you didn't know the skyline is a track car not a 1/4 mile car....the 1/4 isn't eveything to everyone.....and you have yet to show me any mustangs, z06's or whatever running 8's on street tires.....

http://www.exvitermini.com/records.htm

so maybee nextime YOU can think before you post "you should do a little bit of research before you post incoherent, meaningless drivel."

and yes I have been in a ferrari too who cares...I've been in many cars that doesn't make me any more knowledgeable....

AND you are jumping to conlcusions. I never called the viper crap I said it was a great car, so are many american cars such as the grand national, shelby series 1, ford GT-40, Z06... You seem to think that just because I like imports I automatically hate american cars....

oh yeah and this "kid" is probably older than you and I have been here MUCH longer than you so who the hell are you to critisize me when you only make 2 posts a freakin month...

also for your information no I;m not a F&F ricer...I've like the skyline since before all this F&F crap and way before all the ricers had to ruin everything for the rest of us.....

I also notice you said that japanese model "x" isn't the end-all, most awesomest, unchallenged, unrivaled supercar...and yet again I never said that and it just shows that you are biased....why not just sell your stupid RX7 and buy a mustang then? If your so unhappy with it why dont you go out and do something about it?

and for your information I have a ford in my garage too...shocking that I hate V8's so much but I would drive one...I Like ALL cars but I'm just trying to show you that the almighty V8 is't everything....
 
Originally posted by TVRKing
A brand new top of the range Skyline R34 (VSpecII?) here is £50k, which is about $80k I think

all of them would have to be used since nissan stopped production on the R34...and they're even cheaper in japan...and the Vspec II is the most expensive one....I found a nice R33 for 15,000 but not in the US yet....
 
Originally posted by TVRKing
A brand new top of the range Skyline R34 (VSpecII?) here is £50k, which is about $80k I think

Theres no point arguing with the guy... His friend can get one for $14k USD so I guess that makes you a liar. Of course this comes from the same person who has to insult anyone who disagrees with him. He also thinks running 8's in a 4WD car is something special.. I'd say running mid 6's in a RWD is a little more impressive. Check it out
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
Theres no point arguing with the guy... His friend can get one for $14k USD so I guess that makes you a liar. Of course this comes from the same person who has to insult anyone who disagrees with him. He also thinks running 8's in a 4WD car is something special.. I'd say running mid 6's in a RWD is a little more impressive. Check it out

um no I'm not calling him a liar. there is a big difference between an R34 Vspec II and a R33 GTR....and yes razorGTR did buy his skyline for 14,000 and he lives in NZ....

um I don't see street tires but yeah the 6 sec is still impressive. Ive seen a 5 second 4000 HP 4 cylinder :trouble:
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
um no I'm not calling him a liar. there is a big difference between an R34 Vspec II and a R33 GTR....and yes razorGTR did buy his skyline for 14,000 and he lives in NZ....

Yeah well I paid $4k USD for my 94 RX7 imported directly from Japan to where I live now (Mauritius) so beat that! To answer your question about why I don't sell my RX7 and get a Cobra, its because they use right-hand-drive here..
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
Yeah well I paid $4k USD for my 94 RX7 imported directly from Japan to where I live now (Mauritius) so beat that! To answer your question about why I don't sell my RX7 and get a Cobra, its because they use right-hand-drive here..

you still COULD get one...It would just take some getting used to.
 
Originally posted by skylineGTR_guy
all of them would have to be used since nissan stopped production on the R34...and they're even cheaper in japan...and the Vspec II is the most expensive one....I found a nice R33 for 15,000 but not in the US yet....

So what are they selling now? :confused:

BTW = I've heard there's an R35 out shortly. :confused:
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
You claimed that the Viper is a rip-off. I go and compare THE most common import racer, the Honda Civic Si, to a comparably priced Mustang, and you get all bent out of shape because somehow its unfair. You then want me to compare a Honda S2000, a $33k car to a $23k Mustang GT, as if somehow THAT's fair. By the way, the Mustang GT is STILL faster (barely, yes).

all you said was honda not the SI but never mind that. I just want to point out that price is not everthing. sure they may cost the same but cost is not what measures performance. I'm not dumb I know that a V8 will always have more potential than any 4 cylinder because it's common sense, more displacement = more power. but you have to remember that you are comparing a V8 to a 4cyl...and the fact that a car with 1/2 the displacement (the S2000 VS the Mustang GT) can keep up is an amzing accomplishment dont you think? I just want to give honda credit where it is due. I wish one day honda would make a V8. If they can do this with a 4 cyl Imagine what they could do with double.

Originally posted by Killr0y
How about a $33k Mustang SVT Cobra and a $33k S2000? Is THAT fair for you? No! Why? Because the Cobra is nearly 2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile, and you can't accept that.

as I said 1/4 mile isn't everything to everyone. and as i said before just because two cars cost the same doesn't mean they are equall.

Originally posted by Killr0y
You go by the name Skyline GTR, yet THAT is a $65k car (At least the R32 is). Will it beat a Viper or the less expensive Corvette Z06? No! They don't even sell it in the U.S. anyway.

don't you get it yet? The price depends on where you live so please quit bringing that up. I gaurantee you that if you took the Z06 or Viper to japan it would cost more than the skyline there so as I said forget that point.

Originally posted by Killr0y
1) Vipers, Ferrari's etc. are expensive, yes, but they were never designed to be japanese economy cars that people dump craploads of money into to make them go fast. So don't compare them to something you'd get at a used car lot for $10k. Fast & Furious played a tremendous disservice to Ferrari by stereotyping them as cars bought by people who have $$$ but know nothing about racing. People buy Vipers & Ferrari's because they are high quality born & bred sports cars. I can make a garbage can go 1000mph by giving it a jet engine, but its still just a garbage can.
thats true and I never dienied it, the viper and a ferrari are great cars so why are you still arguing? I just want to show that you can make any car anything so if you look at it in an unbiased way both the viper and the civic could be equall if you spent the same amount of money. but once again money isn't everything so forget about the viper thing, If you don't undestand what I'm saying by now you never will so there is no point in wasting my time arguing with someone who is not open minded.

Originally posted by Killr0y
2) I said I hated riced-out, annoyingly loud fart-sounding go-cart-lookalike japanese (& VW) econoboxes that have more $$ spent on the outside of the car than under the hood. This is about 80% of all imports that are "modded". The other 20% who are serious suffer because of all these idiots. You immediately took offence because either you are in the 80% or you took what I said as an attack on ALL imports.
well I hate them too but I took what you said as an attack on all imports becasue you are basically saying that the skyline is one of those riced out cars when only about 1% of skylines I have seen are riced out...all the rest of them put out high numbers and great performance. You also have to admit that there are american cars that meet the same criteria you mentioned above...

Originally posted by Killr0y
Either way, give REAL sports cars some respect. Yes, I said REAL sports cars. A Skyline is NOT a sports car. its an econobox thats been given performance upgrades. a Mustang is a pony car (a type of inexpensive sports coup), not a sports car. A Corvette is a sports car, a Viper is a sports car, a Ferrari is a sports car. Comparing a modded japanese econobox to a Viper is like comparing a minivan to an SUV. Apples and Oranges. I hope you see where I am coming from.

yes I do give "real" sports cars my respect. but If you dont consider the skyline a car with an inline 6, twin tubos, 4 wheel steering and one of the most advanced traction systems in the world (monitoring each wheel 100 times a second and being able to transfer up to 50% of it's total power to any wheel thats slipping) a "real" sports car then I don't know what is. Another thing I think you don't realize is that the skyline is DETUNED from the factory due to what japan calls the "gentlemans agreement" in which no car can have over 280 HP form the factory. The injectors are runnning at only 80% duty cycle form the factory, with a really watered down feul map. There is also a brass plug installed limiting full boost pressure by forcing the air throough a small hole. RazorGTR re-chipped his ECU put a bigger intercooler on and an exhaust system and he is running 11's easliy with very few mods. NO new tubos no NOS nothing major just 3 or 4 simple bolt on parts. So what I wan't to know is why you don't consider the skyline a sports car?

and I DO see where your coming from but you have to see where I'm coming from, comparing a 4 cylinder to a V8 is also like comparing apples and oranges.....
 
Originally posted by TVRKing
So what are they selling now? :confused:

BTW = I've heard there's an R35 out shortly. :confused:

they have a concept out for the R35 but it's not official yet.

The car they are selling now is known as the skyline and is the infinity G35 here in the US and is a luxury version not a GTR version and it has an engine from the 350Z.

they still sell R-34's but theyre all used...
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
You really need to change your quote.. after you read this

yeah but the article talks about larger cars, pickups and sport utilities and a Ford Taurus...nothing about mustangs, corvettes, camero's the "american" mucscle....

from your own atricle:

"For their part, Detroit companies long have had plants in Canada -- especially in the nearby province of Ontario. They then began to expand into Mexico in towns just over the U.S. border. That trend has accelerated since the ratification of the North America Free Trade Agreement, which eliminated most trade barriers with Canada and Mexico. " so much for detroit muscle....

anyway my honda was made and put together 100% in japan and my ford was "made" in the US and built in mexico.....
 
So what I wan't to know is why you don't consider the skyline a sports car?

Because you can get a base model Skyline that is nothing like the R32/34. The same reason why a Mustang SVT Cobra will never be a sports car.. Because the base model is a 190HP V6.. its still relatively powerful (which is why its a pony car and not a "compact") On the other hand, you can't buy a Corvette with less than 350HP and Z-rated tires. Same w/ a Viper but higher specs.

Also, yes, putting out 200+ HP w/ a 4-cylinder is quite impressive, but don't believe that by bolting on 4 more cylinders the HP will double. 4-cylinders have half the moving parts of an 8 which allows for higher-reving engines (all hi performance 4-cylinders have to scream to get their power.. making a V8 scream is not easy).

But this is all academic.. In 20 years we'll be driving craptastic battery-powered plastic cars that won't get out of their own way.
 
Originally posted by Killr0y
Because you can get a base model Skyline that is nothing like the R32/34. The same reason why a Mustang SVT Cobra will never be a sports car.. Because the base model is a 190HP V6.. its still relatively powerful (which is why its a pony car and not a "compact") On the other hand, you can't buy a Corvette with less than 350HP and Z-rated tires. Same w/ a Viper but higher specs.

Also, yes, putting out 200+ HP w/ a 4-cylinder is quite impressive, but don't believe that by bolting on 4 more cylinders the HP will double. 4-cylinders have half the moving parts of an 8 which allows for higher-reving engines (all hi performance 4-cylinders have to scream to get their power.. making a V8 scream is not easy).

But this is all academic.. In 20 years we'll be driving craptastic battery-powered plastic cars that won't get out of their own way.

In japan the skyline and the GTR versions are like two seperate cars... I refer to the GTR versions..I consider the SVT to be a completley different car...when you go to a dealer and you say I want a mustang they take you to the msutangs, whe you say SVT then you go to the nice showroom. As I said I consider them seperate cars...

I never meant to say that the HP would double I just wanted to show people that what they can do with 1/2 the engine is amazing....I know that V8's rely more on tourque and large displacement than the "revy" 4's...I like the skylines inline 6 becasue with the six you can get the best of both worlds, a high reving engine with enough room for tourque, so you compromise to get both.....Ive seen skylines with 11,000 rpm revs....now that's alot of RPM's.....


lol if you think about it all cars are plastic now....as for the battery powered thing honda is working on a car that proves that hybrid technology isn't only for wimps....they made a hybrid car with 4 wheel drive and over 400 HP that still gets 40 MPG...you can even store energy as you drive and use it later at the push of a button, kinda like an electric version of NOS.....
 
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