Faster than Vettel

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I don't know if this is mentioned in the Vettel DS3 threads, and I know that there are quite enough X1 Challenge conversations floating around already, but hear me out.

I decided to take a break from the challenge and watch the Vettel demonstration run. I noticed, his time doesn't beat the gold. In fact, his time is slower than even silver. I checked all three tracks, and Polyphony decided to set gold just about 2 seconds faster than his times.

Personally, I think this sucks. It means that we are expected to outperform a highly skilled professional. I think this asks too much from the normal player, and it downplays the professional (the current Formula One World champion, mind you) who set the times. It almost seems disrespectful in my opinion. I'm trying not to sound like a complainer, but I just don't think that we should have to prove ourselves to be better than the best.

What do you guys think about this?
 
I think you're being absurd. And yeah, it does ask too much from the normal player. It's supposed to. It's one of the few challenges in the game that is actually a challenge. The fact that we're expected to outperform him is not an extraordinary task because the fact that he's a highly skilled professional is far outweighed by the fact that we have way more time to do the challenge than he did. Downplays his performance? Disrespectful? How could you possibly come to that conclusion when they named the prized car and challenge after the dude and gave him a whole spot on introducing the challenge. PD obviously has nothing but respect for the guy. And finally, you don't have to prove yourself to be better than the best. Because besides the fact that, even if you get a better time than him, you're still not proving yourself to be a better driver, you also don't have to do the challenge if you feel it is too much. Bottom line is PD gave players an actual challenge and one that is more than possible. I for one welcomed the challenge and got all gold on it with the DS3.
 
UnkaD
I don't know if this is mentioned in the Vettel DS3 threads, and I know that there are quite enough X1 Challenge conversations floating around already, but hear me out.

I decided to take a break from the challenge and watch the Vettel demonstration run. I noticed, his time doesn't beat the gold. In fact, his time is slower than even silver. I checked all three tracks, and Polyphony decided to set gold just about 2 seconds faster than his times.

Personally, I think this sucks. It means that we are expected to outperform a highly skilled professional. I think this asks too much from the normal player, and it downplays the professional (the current Formula One World champion, mind you) who set the times. It almost seems disrespectful in my opinion. I'm trying not to sound like a complainer, but I just don't think that we should have to prove ourselves to be better than the best.

What do you guys think about this?
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He as Professional at F1 not GT5. Get over it
 
Even as someone who would love it if Webber drove all over Vettel this season I still have the point out...


His lap time in the video probably wasn't his fastest lap time. They probably did something like

1) Sit him down and explain what's happening
2) Do everything needed before driving
3) Get him to do the driving and video stuff
4) Whatever time is left over for him to set the best lap times he can

I highly doubt that they recorded every laptime of his and he probably had a few attempts at each one and then they just picked the best for times.

Added to that he had to get used to the GT5 physics (which while great, isn't real life) as well as the fact that there is minimal 'feel' in the game, especially pedal wise, and F1 drivers especially are very sensitive, hence why they are so good, being able to drive on that finite level.

I don't think we are expected to beat him at his own game in anyway. If we were then firstly we should all easily get into F1 and secondly and a bit more realistically, whoever won GTAcademy (who is at the top of GT players who entered, and hence at the top of those capable of beating the X1 challenge) should be easily smashing whatever he is doing and about to enter F1 right now to win the WCC and WDC in an HRT.
 
I bet if we sat down and had a race with him he would still whip our asses even if we did beat his time by 2 seconds, i also have no doubt that if he wanted he could shave another second or more off of the suzuka time of 2:10.00 for example.


I think its amazing that the challenge has us pitted against a real professional, and that it requires you to drive with near perfection in order to gold it. if it was easier then it would not be worth any mention in terms of being a challenge.

You dont hear people talking about the rest of the game in any manner, because the Vettel challenge is the only true challenge in the game. Every single person that gets gold in all 3 events has proven themselves to be quite a skilled player in the top percentile. Still doesnt make them actually better or more skillful than Vettel, not even close.
 
Did you really think Vettel sat down for 20 minutes to nail those times without a hassle?

I'm pretty sure he's got "better" things to do, than trying to get used to this car and nail two perfect laps that'll give gamers a nightmare?

He probably only had one or two hours, maybe less....
 
Maybe Vettel drove without SRF and we are supposed to beat it with SRF on :P
 
I'm pretty sure he didn't set those times, formula 1 champion or not there is a difference between games and reality

the example lap looks to perfect to be done by vettel, in the trailer on youtube he couldn't keep it on the road

I'm sure he's got better things to do than play GT5
 
will4noobs
I'm sure he's got better things to do than play GT5
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Agree 100%. It's silly to think he would actually waste his time trying to set decent lap times in a GT5 challenge, especially considering he had probably never played the game before he sat down with it at that photo-op. That's all it was a photo-op. I'd be surprised if the car in the replay was even driven by a person, it could just be the AI for all anybody knows.
 
HuygensHeroes
Agree 100%. It's silly to think he would actually waste his time trying to set decent lap times in a GT5 challenge, especially considering he had probably never played the game before he sat down with it at that photo-op. That's all it was a photo-op. I'd be surprised if the car in the replay was even driven by a person, it could just be the AI for all anybody knows.
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yup I agree there are no human errors, everything looks to perfect it must be AI
 
The replay time wasnt fast, i had overtaken the replay by spoon on the second lap. Considering it had a head start, you can be pretty damn certain the replay time was nowhere near a perfect lap/2.
 
Video only shows how fast you can drive to pass this challenge (Bronze). But you have to figure you all by yourself where to find missing seconds to Gold
 
will4noobs
yup I agree there are no human errors, everything looks to perfect it must be AI
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On Monza - watch the second lap. He cuts the first chicane quite blatantly; no AI driver would do that.
 
There's no way that that's an AI driver. Otherwise, it's really odd why PD wouldn't have implemented those in the events.
 
Isn't it the same as in the Loeb challenge? I got gold on that challenge with a DS3, but I can't believe that I actually beat the real Loeb on rally. It must be AI or maybe someone from PD? If you want to compare your times with Vettel, there is a video on youtube where he drives the x2010 on the nurburgring. At 2:37 you can see his times if you watch it in HD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5UvgIcMOg
 
will4noobs
yup I agree there are no human errors, everything looks to perfect it must be AI
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I'm pretty sure Vettel did that lap. The car is perfectly drivable with a wheel. He didn't even set a gold time.
 
It is perfectly drivable with a wheel, but only with hours/days practice to get gold

I do not beleive a Formula 1 champion would waste their time trying to get a decent Lap around all3 tracks, in the trailer he couldn't keep the thing steady
 
will4noobs
It is perfectly drivable with a wheel, but only with hours/days practice to get gold

I do not beleive a Formula 1 champion would waste their time trying to get a decent Lap around all3 tracks, in the trailer he couldn't keep the thing steady
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It might take hours/days for you or me, but Vettel's been driving for about 20 years of his life (he first drove a kart at age 3). It wouldn't have taken more than a couple hours for someone with his talent to set that lap. And if he sat down for a couple days to really nail it he could have gotten gold.

Plus Sony would have paid him a decent amount to do it so it couldn't have been a waste of time. ;)
 
Does anyone know what the car set-up is for this challenge? I desperately need to practice.
 
SolidFishe
Isn't it the same as in the Loeb challenge? I got gold on that challenge with a DS3, but I can't believe that I actually beat the real Loeb on rally. It must be AI or maybe someone from PD? If you want to compare your times with Vettel, there is a video on youtube where he drives the x2010 on the nurburgring. At 2:37 you can see his times if you watch it in HD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu5UvgIcMOg
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Have you ever considered that maybe they did what Trackmania Nations Forever does? When you make a new track and set a best lap for it, they assume that you are setting your best possible lap for that track. When you complete the lap however, the game takes your replay and basically slows it down a few seconds for gold, then a few more for silver, and a few more for bronze. This way the player can select any of these hosts to try to beat, and it's still your replay, it's just in slow motion essentially. I got the impression this was the case as the Loeb challenge was challenging, but not impossible.
 
This is nothing new. Some license test demonstrations were pretty slow too...
 
I don't think the example option from the pre challenge menu shows Vettel's lap, I think it's nothing more than that, an example on how to pass the challenge. I do believe that the car in front of me during the challenge is Vettel though, I'm sure he could do that with out spending more than an hour or two to do so on his first try.
 
He never actualy set any records in game, he did not even play gt5. I dont know why you think it has anything to do with him playing.

He has more important things to do.

It is called PR!
 
Mr. Boy
Isn't the ghost taken from that example lap?

I don't believe it is. I'm not sure about this but in the license tests they give example replays that aren't "gold times" either.
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@ tw99 sorry bud but he has played and you can watch him do so on YouTube.
 
tw99
He never actualy set any records in game, he did not even play gt5. I dont know why you think it has anything to do with him playing.

He has more important things to do.

It is called PR!
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i dont think those are his actual official times in those demo videos for the challenges.

i didnt read the entire thread, so i dont know if it's been mentioned already; but i watched several demo runs during the License tests. When i was having some trouble golding a challenge i would study to try and gold them and not every demo video in those license tests is a demo video of a 'Gold' time. several of them are videos of silver times. Besides it is a game, even though vettel is a profesional and his reputation is kinda on the line, i dont think he took it as serious as qualifying session three at Abu Dhabi last november. He isnt too concerned with being slower than a bunch of cyber-geeks, MYSELF INCLUDED, at GT5 in an X2010. He knows that deep down inside that when the **** hits the fan we all would **** ourselves trying to do real life qualifying in a real life F1 car.

Alonso should have won the championship. Spa and Monaco let me and Alonso down. :grumpy:
 
UnkaD
I think this asks too much from the normal player
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