Fastest time for GT-R '07 Nurburgring trophy?

[Swe]

What is the world record for the GT-R trophy on nurburgring? With no aids! This guy is pretty quick with a 7:11.775 lap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLH_oxaxv7Q&feature=related

My best time is 7:13.748

 

[McClarenDesign]

I did it in 6:59. Or atleast I say I did. Kinda hard to prove me right or wrong, huh?

 

[Swe]

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Shoe67]

People can do this in under 7 no problem

 

[Swe]

I don't belive that at all. Show me one video of a lap under 7 min without SFR or any other aid.

 

[Peasantslayer]

I reckon Ti-Tech85 could get in the 7:0x.xxx with the same settings if that's the best Dan can do.

People can do this in under 7 no problem

That's a video of Dan Holland so it's a quick lap.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I don't belive that at all. Show me one video of a lap under 7 min without SFR or any other aid.

Sure. Give me a capture card or the equipment to do so.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

People can do this in under 7 no problem

Really? Shoe, I think you may have spoke without thinking. Dan Holland is one of the fastest guys around and you're saying that some can do it 10 seconds faster than him. You better rethink that my friend, lol. I have looked at alot of videos for that and also read alot of discussions and have never seen anyone do that in under 7 min. Show me a video, then I'll believe it. And to McClaren...you wish, lol.

 

[mike_gt3]

Sure. Give me a capture card or the equipment to do so.

If your phone have a camera thats all you need.

You do know its with a stock GT-R '07 on stock tires without SRF?

Dholland is really fast, even though he used the grass on grip set to normal to shave some more tenths here and there he is the fastest i seen on the ring, titech is also really fast but id say they should be pretty close each other.

I did 7:13 with grip set to real, i dont think i would be able to replicate his laptime though, he didnt left much area to improve.

 

[McClarenDesign]

What point are you trying to make?

The point is without evidence, they're all claims.

 

[obsessive rules]

Fully modded on rs tyres it would be possible to get under 7 minutes, thus trophy don't limit your tuning y'know.

 

[JK83]

The point is without evidence, they're all claims.

So you just claimed world record

 

[McClarenDesign]

So you just claimed world record

till someone claims a 6:5 whatever.

Typically I'm 3-5 secs slower than the top of the leaderboards, but it's generally consistent. Unless I don't know the track, then it's anyone's guess.


For the record, official leaderboards should be in the Feedback section. If you think it's a good idea, vote for it there. Threads like this can often lead to wild claims, and what justifies clean, or aids. It becomes far to divisive.

 

[mike_gt3]

I see your point, ive misread his first post, i didnt seen he claimed 7:13 after posting DHolland's video.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

So what is the world record time for this ? The op video clearly showed brake assist was used to get the lap time, and others said with SRF or any other assist enabled could go faster, so once again, what is the fastest time for this trophy regardless of aids ? Under 7 minutes ?

 

[mike_gt3]

Dholland did under 7 with srf on, its not brake assist he brakes and give throttle in same time for
more stability.

 

[RafaelSchug]

Hey, to get this trophy, must be done in Arcade mode...so cant we tune the car, right?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Hey, to get this trophy, must be done in Arcade mode...so cant we tune the car, right?

You can't change car settings, only aids can be changed.

Dholland did under 7 with srf on, its not brake assist he brakes and give throttle in same time for
more stability.

What I was referring as brake assist is ABS, it was obvious since the 1st lap braking - full braking into 1st corner. I was thinking no aids means nothing, all off including brake assist.
I have to use that word because some people got tired of me saying the word "ABS"
What you said about brake and give throttle at the same time is left foot braking, am I correct ?

 

[mike_gt3]

Yes left foot braking.

 

[McClarenDesign]

So what is the world record time for this ? The op video clearly showed brake assist was used to get the lap time, and others said with SRF or any other assist enabled could go faster, so once again, what is the fastest time for this trophy regardless of aids ? Under 7 minutes ?

With or without aids?
Is ABS an aid?
Does adjusting brake bias negate 'Stock' classification?

There is no world record. No one is monitoring times across the globe, and there is no official answer as to what constitutes a 'Stock' GT-R, and no official method to compare apples to apples.

GTP records are the best you can find, and the search tool should help you find the thread.

 

[Slash]

Personally I don't beleive that ABS and TCS are aids because IRL lots of cars have them.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Personally I don't beleive that ABS and TCS are aids because IRL lots of cars have them.

I... justt...

where is Simon when I need him?

 

[Emptyone]

The Original thread is here
Well, here's Dan's lap without assists


And the one with SRF and ASM on

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

As long as those game options makes the car easier to drive, IMO they are aids/assists in the game, it has nothing to do if the real life cars they are trying to simulate have any of them or not. That's why PD listed those assists to be player's choice to use, otherwise PD would simulate those assists like each actual real life cars as preset and can't be disabled.

That is also why I consider brake assist/ABS as PD approximation of ABS on the real car, it does not even behave like what ABS would do, more like a slider for how would the software would prevent wheel lock ups when braking, similar to brake assist in any other game/sim. It even stabilize the car under brakes unlike real life ABS could ever do, to get that, the real life car would need EBD/ESP, in which would still not be as perfect as in GT5.

Brake balance adjustment does not negates "stock" in GT5, as in online, even with tuning prohibited, BB can still be adjusted, while others can't.

I just wanted to know the fastest with aids and without ANY aids possible, but it seems moot now.
Just my opinion, nothing more.

 

[opelgt1969]

As long as those game options makes the car easier to drive, IMO they are aids/assists in the game, it has nothing to do if the real life cars they are trying to simulate have any of them or not. That's why PD listed those assists to be player's choice to use, otherwise PD would simulate those assists like each actual real life cars as preset and can't be disabled.

That is also why I consider brake assist/ABS as PD approximation of ABS on the real car, it does not even behave like what ABS would do, more like a slider for how would the software would prevent wheel lock ups when braking, similar to brake assist in any other game/sim. It even stabilize the car under brakes unlike real life ABS could ever do, to get that, the real life car would need EBD/ESP, in which would still not be as perfect as in GT5.

Brake balance adjustment does not negates "stock" in GT5, as in online, even with tuning prohibited, BB can still be adjusted, while others can't.

I just wanted to know the fastest with aids and without ANY aids possible, but it seems moot now.
Just my opinion, nothing more.

Adjusting brake bias is an "AID" period. Anytime you do something to make the car handle different (turning,slowing,trail braking, or adjusting the bias to keep brakes from locking up) is an "AID".
You keep talking about no "ABS" how about no "BBS" (Brake Bias System) then you can talk about not using "AIDS".

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Adjusting brake bias is an "AID" period. Anytime you do something to make the car handle different (turning,slowing,trail braking, or adjusting the bias to keep brakes from locking up) is an "AID".
You keep talking about no "ABS" how about no "BBS" (Brake Bias System) then you can talk about not using "AIDS".

Honestly, how do you adjust brake bias to prevent brakes from locking up when no assist is enabled - ABS in this case ? Even at 0/0 it will lock up and slide eventually. Adjusting car settings is not "aid", what I consider "aid" in GT5, is when an option allowed the player to drive easier - for example : no need to worry about lock ups when braking, use brake assist option, want to be less worried about loss of traction due to wheel spin, use the traction control option,etc.

And if you want to go to this "AIDS" route, I could still drive without any BB adjustment, much like I drive any car in stock condition. I did the GTA the same way, default settings, you know my times from the friend rankings.
I never knew there is "BBS", brake bias is in the car setting and it's not a "system", much like suspension, LSD, and the likes. I consider every switchable on/off settings under driving options in GT5 as assists, except for tire/fuel, grip reduction and damage ( realism option ), while car settings are definitely not "aids"
Does my opinion mean so much ? If anyone agrees, that's fine, if not, also fine. As I said earlier, it's player choice to use them.

 

[Morgoth_666]

Adjusting brake bias is not an "aid," that's just silly. It's an adjustment. Granted, it's an adjustment most real-world cars don't have without installing special equipment(we used to have to install special equipment to use it in GT). But that would make it an upgrade, like exhaust headers or an adjustable suspension which no one would call "aids."

Driver aids are systems that operate independent of the driver to make the driving easier. Usually it's something operated by a computer, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were arguments about it back when things such as power steering were new. Brake bias adjustment doesn't happen unless the driver specifically changes it before or during the race.

Adjusting brake pressures is just common sense as no real car has a bias anything like GT5's 5/5 balance unless there is something wrong with the car. If they did, 5% of the population would die on the way to work every day. It's not completely necessary if you use [GT5's super] ABS, but still can help. But it is still an adjustment that plays no active role in helping you drive, not like the ABS does.

And by the way, the fact that real cars have [very different forms of] ABS and TC doesn't make them any less "aids," they are "driver aids" in the real cars just as they are in GT5. Part of the issue there is that some people seem to think that "driver aids" = "lousy driver" but it doesn't, it's just "driver who drives with some driver aids." Lousy drivers come in all types.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Part of the issue there is that some people seem to think that "driver aids" = "lousy driver" but it doesn't, it's just "driver who drives with some driver aids." Lousy drivers come in all types.

Amen.

 

[Auraxir]

Fully modded on rs tyres it would be possible to get under 7 minutes, thus trophy don't limit your tuning y'know.

then put a s**tload of tuning on the car and maybe you'll get around 7:13-7:10

 

[Samus]

I have to use that word because some people got tired of me saying the word "ABS"?

No people got tired of you talking about the aid in every post you made, irrespective of what you called it. You seem to have an obsession with it, telling us you don't use it any chance you can and look down on anyone that uses it.