Ferrari again

[Cap'n Jack]

I test my cars and get settings on there too and I like the Test Course for testing the speed of my cars. I can sometimes have pretty fun races there too.

 

[Ford 429 Hemi]

No, I hope its still in. I use that track to get my settings right for my cars.

Same here.
When I wanna do a comparo of two cars I do:
3 0-60 tests ( I average this out)
3 400m runs (I take the best one)
3 laps on Complex String (again I take the best one)
Once you get 100% you got nothing else to do, besides make a saved game wtih the intent of getting every prize car. Granted that can actualy take three seperate game saves, and running some races three times to get the right cars etc. But hey it's fun and keeps me busy.

 

[Sven]

I still don't understand why LeMans is harder to do than Nürburgring. I mean, look at the detail they've put onto just the track surface! Graffiti everywhere, concrete patches, all kinds of rumble strips, not to mention all the rough surfaces felt through the physics engine. You said something about lining the track with trees...well, unfortunately for you, this screenshot exists. It's also rather convenient that there's not a severe shortage of trees along LeMans (down the Mulsanne straight anyway), as evidenced by this photograph.

 

[cobragt]

You came with a vaild point sven.

 

[HPONTAP]

as mentioned around here a lot: PD will be testing all kind of cars includign ferrari's doesn't actually mean they'll be in the game.... Ofcourse they want them to be in there, but hey, in the end it's just business..... as usual....

a 250 SWB would be nice!

Any Ferrari would be nice, but I can pretty much guarantee you that no Ferrari, for racing any way, will be included in GT4. GT4 will probably have Ferrari in the history of the game, but not in the actual game to race with. I believe this is due to the fact that Ferrari already has licence agreements with other companies and GT4 is not allowed to get them now. Check it out......Ferrari makes its on games with just Ferrari's. Like Ferrari Challenge. I personally think thats to bad for Ferrari, they would make alot more money by dropping there own racing game and becoming part of Gran Truismo.

Like anyone else out there........I would love to race with the F-40, F-50, and F-60(better known as the Enzo), but even if Ferrari's not there that wont stop me or anybody else from buying the game.........now will it......?

 

[Dave A]

I still don't understand why LeMans is harder to do than Nürburgring. I mean, look at the detail they've put onto just the track surface! Graffiti everywhere, concrete patches, all kinds of rumble strips, not to mention all the rough surfaces felt through the physics engine. You said something about lining the track with trees...well, unfortunately for you, this screenshot exists. It's also rather convenient that there's not a severe shortage of trees along LeMans (down the Mulsanne straight anyway), as evidenced by this photograph.

Right, Sven the first thing you need to understan is having different sized and shaped rumble strips and that kind of thing doesn't matter, neither does accurately recreating the graffiti on the track. What does matter is how many polygon's are on screen at once, and how many textures, and what resolution all of thoes textures are at. LeMans has far more around the track, to render all of that would mean the LeMans would have sections of the track where there are far more polygons on screen at any one time than the Ring, the fact that theres a lot of trees around LeMans is fine, but theres a lot of other stuff too, theres not much else around the ring to render andgiven the 2d nature of the tree's I'd say they don't push the cpu too hard at all, it's stuff like numerouse grandstands and buildings all being on screen at once that would push the cpu and LeMans has tonnes of them.

Another point, you may argue that other games can do it and have done, these games do not use as much power in the graphics as GT3 let alone GT4, they also have much simpler game engines. Finally remeber I'm not saying LeMans won't be done in GT4 or is impossible, just that it requires more performance from the hardware to do than a circuit like the Ring. But Ky did say LeMans won't make it.

Edit: HPONTAP, if Ferrari is holding their own license, whats stopping them sharing it, at a price? Nothing. There are licensing problems but thats all due to change as soon as the licenes expires later this year. Also there is no F60, the Enzo is not an F60, and an F60 is not also known as an Enzo, the F60 doesn't exist yet. If there eer is an F60, it will come out in 2007-2008.

 

[livemusic]

But Amar showed us in that video of the BMW Series 1 that they´ve build the F1 track inside(I guess it´s inside?) the Nurburgring. Thats gotta be hard to do right?

 

[Dave A]

No, even that has far less around the track than LeMas, LeMans is a large track okay, larger the nurburgring, not as large as the Nordschleiffe but the way it works you take the number of iems and objects on and around the track and where they are, even though the Ring is soo much longer, theres far more objects around LeMans, and they are close together in most cases. Some can argue, well what about New York, and Tokyo, they're surrounded by buildings, but this is where there short nature saves them, if they were as long as LeMans I don't think the PS2 could do thoes either. A skyscraper I wouldn't thnk would require as many polygons as a hut anyway, since a skyscraper is a generic shape you can use fewer polygons to create it and get it to look right, whereas a hut has many shapes on it.

 

[tiptopcream]

But Amar showed us in that video of the BMW Series 1 that they´ve build the F1 track inside(I guess it´s inside?) the Nurburgring. Thats gotta be hard to do right?

But have they got the whole track in? The video only shows you the Coca-Cola curve and down the pit straight.

 

[Civicbus]

But have they got the whole track in? The video only shows you the Coca-Cola curve and down the pit straight.

yep, you just have to unlock the barriers that block you by going on the grass, doing three donuts, a rockford and backing up to the wall (without hitting it), and honking two times whilst shaking your fist.

 

[tiptopcream]

Hehe...

the full F1 circuit is in...

 

[Dave A]

If only thoes were ingame shots and not pics from the Nurb 24h earlier this year.

 

[xcsti]

I hope your right but I don't think that proves anything.

 

[tiptopcream]

If only thoes were ingame shots and not pics from the Nurb 24h earlier this year.

It was at some GT4 event

 

[Dave A]

It still doesn't prove anything.

 

[cobragt]

I hope the F1 track makes it in. I believe it will.

 

[Sven]

Right, Sven the first thing you need to understan is having different sized and shaped rumble strips and that kind of thing doesn't matter, neither does accurately recreating the graffiti on the track. What does matter is how many polygon's are on screen at once, and how many textures, and what resolution all of thoes textures are at. LeMans has far more around the track, to render all of that would mean the LeMans would have sections of the track where there are far more polygons on screen at any one time than the Ring, the fact that theres a lot of trees around LeMans is fine, but theres a lot of other stuff too, theres not much else around the ring to render andgiven the 2d nature of the tree's I'd say they don't push the cpu too hard at all, it's stuff like numerouse grandstands and buildings all being on screen at once that would push the cpu and LeMans has tonnes of them.

Errr, last time I checked, the graffiti on Nürburgring wasn't exactly low quality, and I do know that graffiti textures take up a lot more memory than a few asphalt textures. Now, I'm not intimately familiar with LeMans' surface, but I'm fairly certain that it doesn't have nearly as much variety and detail as the Ring. It's also not too difficult to reduce graphic detail with distance, so that pretty much gets rid of the sight distance problem.

 

[xcsti]

This thread is supposed to be about Ferrari's, not whether or not Le Mans will be in. I'm sure there are plenty of threads about the possibility of Le Mans, and if there aren't I'm sure one of you wouldn't find it hard to start one. Other than that can we get back on topic.

 

[Dave A]

Sven a textur is a texture, the graffiti is at the same resolution as the rest of the textures used on the track surface, if it was higher it would stand out, it's a harder texture to create, but it doesn't use up any more power than any other texture of the same size and resolution. Variety has nothing to do with it, the ring has variety in terms of the road surface, what the ring doesn't have that LeMans does is tonnes of objects surrounding the track, the trees surrounding the fing are flat, they have little detail and would require little power from the machine to render along with the track, creating buildings, huts, tents, many more specators, grandsatands ect, is much harder for the machine to render, especially all at once, like at LeMans.

 

[cobragt]

We'll just have to wait and find out if le mans is in. After all, OPM UK did mention le mans being in the build they played and there will be 20 to 25 real life tracks in gt4 so you just never know.

 

[Dave A]

We don't know, just to reiterate the point I was making incase anyone piks up late, I'm not saying LeMans WON'T be in GT4, just explaining why the track would be harder to include from a technical point of view than the Ring.

 

[Solid Lifters]

This thread is supposed to be about Ferrari's, not whether or not Le Mans will be in. I'm sure there are plenty of threads about the possibility of Le Mans, and if there aren't I'm sure one of you wouldn't find it hard to start one. Other than that can we get back on topic.

Sometimes the discussion often wanes from the topic, so need to stop and get back on topic of anything. If it wont be talked about here, it will be started someplace else, so it's just best to let it happen. I think going off topic adds to a thread, if you ask my opinion.

 

[livemusic]

We don't know, just to reiterate the point I was making incase anyone piks up late, I'm not saying LeMans WON'T be in GT4, just explaining why the track would be harder to include from a technical point of view than the Ring.

Well I´ve just called KY and he said its doable. 👍

 

[Pistachio]

LOL, just wait until GT4 comes out, if LeMans is in i bet you someone is going to be dumb enough to say "see live4speed j00 n00b, daMans is in!!! j00 w0z wr0ngzors!" you know its going to happen, thats why your being so carefuly

Thanks alot tiptopcream, those pics are pretty cool. I must say that PD are perhaps the luckiest people on earth.

 

[Tekk]

If Nurburgring was possible, any track in this world is possible. However I think Le Mans won't be in... I haven't seen anything that makes me believe it will be in GT4. But Kaz already said somewhere only 50% of the game was unveiled until now so... you never know

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Oh my goddess.... such drama going on in this thread! I can't get on any opposing sides due to the strong arguments each side have.
For all I can think of...is that I think that Ferrari wont be in the game, BUT there is something in me that tells me that I AM SOOOO WRONG FOR I AM IN FOR A BIG SURPRISE!!!!

 

[Dave A]

If Nurburgring was possible, any track in this world is possible.

Care to explain how this is so, since it's wrong.

 

[Tekk]

Care to explain how this is so, since it's wrong.

Would you care to explain why it's wrong?

In my opinion, since Nurb was recreated so accurately, and it's +/- 20 km long, I believe any racetrack could be recreated in the GT4 engine.

 

[Sambert]

That Lemans has been done with great detail on the sega dreamcast at the turn of the century allows me to believe that KY and team would be most able if the had the rights to reproduce the famous circuit. Licensing is the key issue here…

 

[amar212]

As far as LeMans history vehicles will be in the game - which has been stated several times by Kazunori - it is highly possible that the circuit itself will appear. It is even possible that we'll get tracks like Nurb, Le Mans, Spa and so from different times - 30-ties, 50-ties, 70-ties, today - once that mapping has been done, few extra polygons are just a play in the park.

As Ferraris been seen in to many sequences of Prologue movie, it is also possible that Ferrari will be in. Notice that Japanese Prologue "Making of GT4"movie doesn't have a short shot of Ferrarris, while Europen has. It is too much teasing to be just a coincidence.

However, untill the final tracks and cars list, all of this is just a bunch of rumours.